Issue escalates dramatically, Adham gets publicly exposed! - Page 7

Originally posted by: skanda12

Jaya, I got the feeling - after much thinking - that maybe Ruq asked Jodha to dress her in a streak of extreme sarcasm like :"I always valued brains over beauty because jalal has no heart to appreciate beauty. But if this is to be the last night, let me at least give your lowly methods a try!"

Originally posted by: Lizzy2012

I understand where you are coming from..that is why I have said jalal is in his learning phase ..he is just learning ropes of managing kingdom ..he is bound to make mistakes..remember in the conversion track,jodha told hamida about jalal not consulting elders in court before arriving at a desicion..he talked to atgah Khan here but not to hamida banu who would have given him a woman's

pov.. this is where he erred..henceforth he will understand that there will be recuperssions to all his decision..he will tread slowly and carefully hereafter..both jalal and jodha are not perfect..it is the evolution together which has been shown

Originally posted by: pallavi003

I don't know what kind of friendship it is, Jalal himself should have thought to stay with ruku his BFF not for IT but to give her mental support, but I was baffled seeing that ruku herself had to ask Jalal to stay with her,.. 😕

Originally posted by: skanda12

Sangeetha,

I like what you have written here. As long as the two people concerned are giving room for each other to evolve and are supporting this evolution towards each becoming 100% fulfilled to his or her own potential it is great. It tis the word "you complete me" that troubles me because it sufggests an incompleteness without the other, and thereby a dependency. Any for of dependency, even a good dependency is less preferable, to me, than a self-sufficiency. But it must be a self-sufficiency that accommodates others opinions and integrates it into ones' own belief systems so that one grows richer. It is just a question of semantics. I don't have a quarrel with the points you have made at all. In fact I go with what you have said. You have give a ray of hope that we can look at yesterday's episode with a kindlier eye.

Originally posted by: skanda12

Sangeetha, I think I've finally got the drift of why we are all feeling a bit shortchanged. Its because in the last two episodes Jalal himself gave out signals and even words that his wife and mother and all should trust him, even if he is taking an adverse decision ... thus giving all the impression that he had a plan, was taking a calculated risk having factored the pros and cons, and that he was not doing this divorce drama lightly without a Plan B. he came across as so shrewd that the contrast today has made everybody feel let down.

Suddenly you find there is no Plan B. he was not in control of the risk he was taking, he had not thought about the repurcussions fully, and he was lost and adrift. The thing is we can allow for some leeway in his own state of growing up yet, but some consistency between his character yesterday and today also has to be there. If you are consistently showing him as growing up, learning, evolving - no problem. Its this day to day discrepancy that is troubling.

Originally posted by: Lizzy2012

I understand where you are coming from..that is why I have said jalal is in his learning phase ..he is just learning ropes of managing kingdom ..he is bound to make mistakes..remember in the conversion track,jodha told hamida about jalal not consulting elders in court before arriving at a desicion..he talked to atgah Khan here but not to hamida banu who would have given him a woman's

pov.. this is where he erred..henceforth he will understand that there will be repercussion to all his decision..he will tread slowly and carefully hereafter..both jalal and jodha are not perfect..it is the evolution together which has been shown

Originally posted by: Lizzy2012

I felt today's episode was average..I didn't have problem with jodha coming up with the solution.what I had a problem with was the execution of it..the furore in the forums about the absence of heroism on the part of jalal is really unwarranted..the c.v's were trying to show how jodha completes him..the solution for this issue would have to come from jodha as according to ruqqu ,it was jodha who was the instigator of the same..the fine tuning of the solution should have done by jalal is my grouse..after the really unpalatable episode,today's episode made atleast partial sense..I am aware of viewers in the forum really feeling let down by jalal's inaction and supposed ineptitude in coming up with a tedha solution to this fiasco ..it is not that jalal is inept and there is no need to prop up his brilliance during every track as all of us know he is smart..today's episode was just to show akbar as a human,it was to show how jodha will complete him and be a pillar during times of crisis,it is also to show jalal ,people's power-that they can make or destroy a sultanate..

Originally posted by: lashy

Lizzy...there is a BIG difference between providing a solution in a convoluted matter and becoming a sitting duck and doing NOTHING...generally, a man who is capable of the earlier does not do the latter unless he's depressed! And they definitely didn't show Jalal as depressed in the last 2-3 episodes..so, it makes little sense!

Also, this whole issue yesterday has little to do with Jodha completing Jalal. She was unanimously praised when she gave Jalal that birthday gift and she was praised when she stood against MA and Ruqs... but, does it really depict any logic that a man who used his shrewdness in past affairs really didn't know how to handle this mess at all...

This wasn't some chanakya-neethi or Shakuni-ploy..it was quite straightforward and simple...a man who could investigate the fake pregnancy by himself and solve the ratanpur mystery by himself didn't know what to do at all?😕

It is the fact that Jalal is portrayed as a weak character irrespective of whether Jodha gave her advise or not... He didn't have had to come up with the plan as much as they could have shown Jalal at least actively taking some stance/thinking/discussing etc before just accepting defeat and sitting in that manner... the problem is not about Jo appearing strong..its about Jalal appearing weak and how will the pairing between a strong female and a weak male appear to the audiences?😕 or maybe that's how it is in all shows today...

Besides all of this is an ABSOLUTE insult to a guy who was such a forward thinker in the 16th century...a man who brought about reforms such as abolishment of sati, banning child marriage...(if he didn't respect women's mind and bodies, why would he even bother), a man who let his wife practise her own religions and gave ladies a lot of power, a guy who didn't differentiate between a girl/guy child .. And a lot of this has been somewhat depicted in the serial too...to have him reduced to someone who's being ridiculed in other threads that he is a man who has only been ruled by IT and

THAT by Ruqaiyya all these years should actually warrant protests! If this is not a slur on an actual Emperor what is! Would people sit back and watch Maharana Pratap or Gandhi or Nelson Mandela being portrayed such...

I'd wanted people to take out such protests during the body heat/fake pregnancy track..I wish they'd do this now...

Originally posted by: lashy

Lizzy...there is a BIG difference between providing a solution in a convoluted matter and becoming a sitting duck and doing NOTHING...generally, a man who is capable of the earlier does not do the latter unless he's depressed! And they definitely didn't show Jalal as depressed in the last 2-3 episodes..so, it makes little sense!

Also, this whole issue yesterday has little to do with Jodha completing Jalal - I don't know why members are repeatedly thinking so. In many instances when she helped him out/showed him the way, she was unanimously praised ...e.g. when she gave Jalal that birthday gift, when she used that natak to sway Jalal in that fort issue, whenever she stood against MA and Ruqs etc...This issue is more about Jalal appearing stupid, not about Jo appearing strong! Does it really depict any logic that a man who used his shrewdness in past affairs really didn't know how to handle this mess at all...that he thought it ok (and practical) to split millions of couples (who possibly had children by then) because he suddenly saw a girl getting married one day😕. Worse, its not like the CVs don't understand this - they're clearly showing his courtiers, MA, Jo and everyone else advising/taunting him in the matter!

This wasn't some chanakya-neethi or Shakuni-ploy..it was quite straightforward and simple...a man who could investigate the fake pregnancy by himself and solve the ratanpur mystery by himself didn't know what to do at all?😕

It is the fact that Jalal is portrayed as a weak character irrespective of whether Jodha gave her advise or not... He didn't have had to come up with the plan as much as they could have shown Jalal at least actively taking some stance/thinking/discussing etc before just accepting defeat and sitting in that manner... the problem is not about Jo appearing strong..its about Jalal appearing senseless and how will the pairing between a strong female and a weak male appear to the audiences?😕 or maybe that's how it is in all shows today...

Besides all of this is an ABSOLUTE insult to a guy who was such a forward thinker in the 16th century...a man who brought about reforms such as abolishment of sati, banning child marriage...(if he didn't respect women's mind and bodies, why would he even bother), a man who let his wife practise her own religions and gave ladies a lot of power, a guy who didn't differentiate between a girl/guy child .. And a lot of this has been somewhat depicted in the serial too...to have him reduced to someone who's being ridiculed in other threads that he is a man who has no brains but is only being ruled by his hormones and 'THAT' by Ruqaiyya all these years to be specific. Is this is not a slur on an actual Emperor, what is! This is an insult on Akbar, Ruqaiyya and Hira Kunwari too (From Abhay's threads, it appears like she adored him just as much as he did her...would their pair be so 'praiseworthy' if one of them was so inept and the other so mahaan! I think not. It is because both must have balanced each other and completed each other that the jodi is being talked about today.😕 They only seem to show Jalal responding to his desh problems because Jodha is supplementing Jalal - this is not completing...this is rather like a mother raising a child...I'm sure both were equally intelligent in their own ways...)

Also, I'm sure he didn't start of with zilch to be able to reach this level of ^^^ greatness...neither did he receive any boon from some sant...he must have inherently been an intelligent/able person who possibly stumbled in the process, but yet came out victorious most of the time...

Btw. would people sit back and watch Maharana Pratap or Gandhi or Nelson Mandela being portrayed such...

I'd wanted people to take out such protests during the body heat/fake pregnancy track..I wish they'd do this now...