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Posted: 11 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: skanda12

Abie, yaar, don't ask for just a forehead kiss! Riyya will go on a hunger fast and I may also. Here we want a fulltoo kiss that is better than those forehead kisses. Don't give the Creatives such ideas, they will just make him kiss Jodha ka wig!

🤣...Forehead kis is only reserved for other begums n family ladies 😆.. jodha 😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Jaya, I don't disagree with the points you have made. The very bad part for Ruq was that he first said her gift was unbeatable and then he did complete U-turn - it must have hurt her badly.
But in a strange way Ruq had it coming. We cannot say Jalal was right for being honest (though I personally appreciate the honesty) but from the point of view of Ruq, the harshness in the situation was 50% because of his ruthless honesty ... and 50% because of her own ghamand making it unbearable for her!
I am just thinking: let's assume she was a person with Salima's character ... would Salima take it so badly if jala first said her gift was good and then later said Jodha's gift was even better? I doubt it! Salima would have probably agreed with Jalal that yes, I did try to give you a gift, but I admit that the better gift won! Its all a question of how much Salima is vested in wanting to be the supremo in Jalal'ss life. If someone wants to be the whole and sole friend of someone then that ambition itself makes them unable to be philosophical in defeat!
I don't think Jalal would have felt that he was hurting Ruq. he may have expected the salima kkind of mature response? But later on reflection he too must have realised that Ruq would take it badly, and not be like Salima. So he may have decided to go and meet ruq and talk to her as he did.
Even if we say "Salima was not jalal's childhood friend as much as Ruq was, so its natural for Ruq to have such an upset reaction", still I would say:
"Being a close childhood friend does not bind someone to always say your gift was the best, or to have to soft-pedal the truth if another gift was better."
Jalal could have been less blunt, but Ruq should also have been graceful enough to accept that the better gift won! This is where the question of character comes in! Its easy to be graceful in good times, but "grace under fire" or "grace in defeat" shows calibre. Whatever Jalal did or did not do, it was an opportunity for Ruq to show "grace under defeat" and elevate her own standing by the quality of her response. She failed to use this opportunity!

The precise thing here is the damn thing was gift not competiotion and he would not have compared them with each other. It was not made it clear earlier that the gifts wiil be judgeed and declared. If Jalal had not realised the hard reality that a king needs to rule his people's heart and not dance on their fear so far, how the hell he expects Ruqaiya to be that knowledgeble?
As we know thtat the upbrining of Jodha and Ruqaiya are from a 2 totally different atmospere and Jodha was taught fro her childhood that being a prince / princes, they have to love their subject and be one with them (that is where we see Moti as her best friend while Ruqaiya is stuck with the eunuch HGoshiyar). In mughal sultanate, there was a clear distinguish between the Raja & Praja and the Rajs's were never to mingle with teh praja and keep them at swor point always to get the work done. To show the upperhand, the Rajas were always used to show off their wealth and distribute gold on occassions rather than a elaborated lunch or dinner as arranged by Hindu kings on the special days.
So Ruqaiya was brought up in that atmosphere where they had given importance to material value than humanity. She has been brought up to love herself than the others.
It was like Jodha teaching Jalal about the depth of love (aquired intelligence), Jalal proclaimed the love of his subject. Come on guy, you didn't even mentioned about digging the Well so far to anyone and declared it was the best. The people who were sitting in the court were not even aware of what was going on outside (Ruqaiya was also one among them) and you come back to court and drop teh hydrogen bomb. You coul dhave explained what went outsid and they themselves, including Ruqaiya would have realised what Jodha did was best.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: skanda12

Abie, yaar, don't ask for just a forehead kiss! Riyya will go on a hunger fast and I may also. Here we want a fulltoo kiss that is better than those forehead kisses. Don't give the Creatives such ideas, they will just make him kiss Jodha ka wig!


Lol Mansi, that is to start with. And am thinking we can't be shown a kiss other than forehead or cheek.😆

In the movie they showed SR after he became Akbar, does it mean same will happen here?😭
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Posted: 11 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: riyya6

🤣...Forehead kis is only reserved for other begums n family ladies 😆.. jodha 😉


Riyya where to you want him to kiss her? And now am doubting your age.😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Friends, what can I say, I thought today's episode was splendid. Three things happened that made it great for me:

One, ...

Two, ...

Three, ...

Now onto the detailed analysis ...

Jalal gets his precious gifts ... and discovers to his delight which one means more to him!

The Jalal-Jodha conversation was beautiful - very elegant, very heartfelt, and very happy

Ruqaiaya throws a mighty tantrum ... before being shown her place by an astute Jalal!

There's big trouble brewing on this front. It may start tomorrow and spill into the next week!

Bravo!!! 👏👏👏
Thank you - I always find your posts so astonishingly insightful that it makes the whole experience of watching the episode so much more poignant and meaningful.
Thank you again for your brilliance
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Posted: 11 years ago
#66

Originally posted by: Abie10


Riyya where to you want him to kiss her? And now am doubting your age.😆

dun doubt my age... age is just a number...😆... 9 years 😉...
anywhere except forehead... 😆... bas... I will list down in due course according to rank 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: shanry

Bravo!!! 👏👏👏
Thank you - I always find your posts so astonishingly insightful that it makes the whole experience of watching the episode so much more poignant and meaningful.
Thank you again for your brilliance


Well said about her posts, agree with you 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: aish321


Well said about her posts, agree with you 👏

I second this as well Clap
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Posted: 11 years ago
#69
kiss anywhere except wig and forehead..😉😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#70

Originally posted by: deejagi

The precise thing here is the damn thing was gift not competiotion and he would not have compared them with each other. It was not made it clear earlier that the gifts wiil be judgeed and declared. If Jalal had not realised the hard reality that a king needs to rule his people's heart and not dance on their fear so far, how the hell he expects Ruqaiya to be that knowledgeble?
As we know thtat the upbrining of Jodha and Ruqaiya are from a 2 totally different atmospere and Jodha was taught fro her childhood that being a prince / princes, they have to love their subject and be one with them (that is where we see Moti as her best friend while Ruqaiya is stuck with the eunuch HGoshiyar). In mughal sultanate, there was a clear distinguish between the Raja & Praja and the Rajs's were never to mingle with teh praja and keep them at swor point always to get the work done. To show the upperhand, the Rajas were always used to show off their wealth and distribute gold on occassions rather than a elaborated lunch or dinner as arranged by Hindu kings on the special days.
So Ruqaiya was brought up in that atmosphere where they had given importance to material value than humanity. She has been brought up to love herself than the others.
It was like Jodha teaching Jalal about the depth of love (aquired intelligence), Jalal proclaimed the love of his subject. Come on guy, you didn't even mentioned about digging the Well so far to anyone and declared it was the best. The people who were sitting in the court were not even aware of what was going on outside (Ruqaiya was also one among them) and you come back to court and drop teh hydrogen bomb. You coul dhave explained what went outsid and they themselves, including Ruqaiya would have realised what Jodha did was best.

Jaya, when you have three wives and 500 harem ladies, even a gift will become a competition only, na? Its a completely competitive environment!

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