Fact and Fiction - about upcoming Adham spoiler

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Posted: 11 years ago
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DISCLAIMER
1) Now obviously, we don't know if the spoilers are true - I am only writing this based on what I read in Ayesha's thread (though seeing that random Adham-bandhi scene in Thursday's episode, it does now make sense !)

2) I am not CONDONING any of what I have typed...I am as much AGAINST child marriage as the next person here...

3) This message is not FOR or AGAINST any of the characters in the show - its purely about the TRACK!😊
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I know CVs are trying to portray our lovely girl as a 16th century feminist and oppose Adham Khan's decision - and I'm quite positive this track shall be welcomed by the audience too (though for once I'd hoped that after this slew of women-dominated-tracks i.e. dowry, body heat and pregnancy we'd move on to more factual tracks and NOT another harem-oriented one! ALAS! Looks like that's not the case)

Anyway, I saw the uproar in the other thread and I am certain Jodha shall also react somewhat in this manner. This sits fine with today's audience., no doubt! Besides, Adham is an out and about true-blue villain so he's NOT going to get ANY sympathizers😆!!!!

However, dears - logically this track actually shouldn't make much sense (so says someone who's been sitting through double-trouble MC kaand and blue vomit😆)

Anyway, 14 -16 was quite the normal age for girls to get married till about 60-70 years ago in India. My grandmom got married when she was 13 and so did many of my other aunt-grandmas! Girls in generations before got wedded off even before. They used to be retained at their Maikas till they attained a suitable age to be sent off! One of my unfortunate aunt-grandmas lost a husband whom she'd never even met in the process and lived a kunwaari-widow for the rest of her life. Sad, but true!

Secondly, multiple marriages were also quite common in India till the last century or so (especially amongst higher classes since the men could afford to support more branches of family) Therefore, by the time a man wedded his third or fourth wife, the age difference could quite commonly be a 20+ years age gap! So, if anything - had this story really happened then - the baandhi's family would be quite elated at the prospect that their daughter got a rishtaa from such a powerful person in court i..e her status would be elevated in society!

Examples of these ^^^ i.e. child marriage (as we know of it today) and multiple marriages would have taken place in Jodha's own family too (possibly even by her own brothers etc) So, logically this track shouldn't make sense in lieu of the 16th century set up.

And why talk of 16th century - not long ago I was doing a project on life of rural women in Uttar Pradesh - EVEN TODAY, in most of the littler villages, parents try to get their girls married off by the time they are 16-17 because the maa-baap think its unsafe to keep a girl at home beyond this age( in case she gets maligned in any way - sick, I know!Thankfully, this isn't really the case in larger towns and cities!)
Shockingly, I read numerous interviews of these girls who seem to support their parents decisions too - with their only regret being that they couldn't study more!😕 In fact, given the opportunity - they want to do the same to their daughters. Though this is illegal in India today, no one is bothered - its more like parents don't report, girls don't complain and the police looks away!

I am now certain that polygamy got erased (rather than abolished) only because it wasn't economically viable!

Why all this - Did anyone catch Supermoms DID...how many mothers (and these looked like they came from more affluent backgrounds, not rural settings) mentioned they'd got married by the age of 16-18. Farah Khan constantly had to drum the message AGAINST marriages at this age!

So, my only issue is that since its a historical - I hope CVs research into the kind of tracks they bring forth and whether it holds good for that era. They could show Jodha revolting against the laws of the Sultanat and condemn trampling of prisoners or stoning of women - even that would sit well with the audience today - but, its not really how life was then, was it?
(I could be wrong and the track could be something else entirely - like the baandhi approaching Jodha and requesting for her help)
Now, how far this track would sound realistic in this setting I know not - hope the CVs handle it all well!



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wow Di... Kudos to you for shedding such detailed and well-backed up light to such an obscure yet seemingly true spoiler👏👏👏 Well-written😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I don't find logic in this track at all! Why is Jodha against Adham marrying an underage girl? Didn't her brothers or her father marry younger girls?

Why does little Sujata call her 'Jiji'?


Looks like Mughal sultanate had no other work other than looking after the Harem ladies. Pity.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: BornThisWay

I don't find logic in this track at all! Why is Jodha against Adham marrying an underage girl? Didn't her brothers or her father marry younger girls?


Why does little Sujata call her 'Jiji'?


Looks like Mughal sultanate had no other work other than looking after the Harem ladies. Pity.

Thats what I'm trying to say...her own brothers/cousins would have been children when they married children too..and BD also had more than 1 wife...so, this track doesn't make sense😕 Just because Adham is a villain this track can slip through the loopholes!

Ruqaiyya was 8-9 when she got married...it was the norm then!

Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agree with you Shraddha...👍🏼...I feel this track is being introduced just to show another good side of Jalal's character to Jodha...I hope he saves that girl...remember wed epi where he called that baandi who wore green bangles & Jodha misunderstood him...I think after this track her conception abt Jalal that he's a womanizer will change completely...I may be wrong...this track may serve another purpose also...

In real history, many people consider Akbar a womanizer that's why he kept so many woman in his haram...many are against this argument...according to them whenever any ruler(epecially Rajputs) lost battle against Akbar...the women of that state used to do "Johar"...by keeping them in his haram he actually vanished "Sati System"...
Edited by AbHer_neha - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

Thats what I'm trying to say...her own brothers/cousins would have married children too..so this track doesn't make sense😕
Ruqaiyya was 8-9 when she got married...it was the norm then!

I know that's what you said, my fingers were itching to type it again 😆

Ruquiya's case is slightly different, she didn't marry a very old person, Jalal was underage too.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AbHer_neha

Agree with you Shraddha...👍🏼...I feel this track is being introduced just to show another good side of Jalal's character to Jodha...I hope he saves that girl...remember wed epi where he called that baandi who wore green bangles & Jodha misunderstood him...I think after this track her conception abt Jalal that he's a womanizer will change completely...I may be wrong...this track may serve another purpose also...


In real history, many people consider Akbar a womanizer that's why he kept so many woman in his haram...many are against this argument...according to them whenever any ruler(epecially Rajputs) lost battle against Akbar...the women of that state used to do "Johar"...by keeping them in his haram he actually vanished "Sati System"...


True! It could be the cyclic version of that episode- and if this is why the CVs have brought about the track - then I'm happy for it...

Yet - having said it - the only way it'd make sense is if the girl herself didn't want to get married to Adham...because, there should be no social implications for THIS track in THAT era!😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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spoiler is confusing...
if adham n girl(family) both r agree ..no law can stop nor should...whats the role of jodha in it...
only if girl can ask jalal that she don't want to marry adham than in this case no one can force her to do so... jalal himself will give her insaaf/justice as he never himself believes in force on women...so it is total ajeeb..
in those time 14 yr is very fair age of marriage whats wrong In it I cant get..instead adham is character dheela..but want to marry better than doing ill without any jaiz relation
Edited by smile.sara - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: smile.sara

spoiler is confusing... if adham n girl(family) both r agree ..no law can stop nor should...whats the role of jodha in it...only if girl can ask jalal that she don't want to marry adham than in this case no one can force her to do so... jalal himself will give her insaaf...so it is total ajeeb..

in those time 14 yr is very fair age of marriage whats wrong In it I cant get..instead adham is character dheela..but want to marry better than doing ill without any jaiz relation

@bold: That's another thing bothering me. Suddenly why does Adham want to MARRY her? 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: smile.sara

spoiler is confusing... if adham n girl(family) both r agree ..no law can stop nor should...whats the role of jodha in it...only if girl can ask jalal that she don't want to marry adham than in this case no one can force her to do so... jalal himself will give her insaaf...so it is total ajeeb..

in those time 14 yr is very fair age of marriage whats wrong In it I cant get..instead adham is character dheela..but want to marry better than doing ill without any jaiz relation

Exactly what I said Sara...only issue is Adham is idiot...

This is a historical - so the social messages there-in should be restricted to what would suit the era! For e.g. the beautiful social message shown in all the religion based arguments put forth by both Jodha and Jalal - make absolute sense - since there's ample proof to show that they were highly religiously tolerant for their times!

However this track doesn't make sense - If the CVs felt queasy about showing it, either skip it - or flash another disclaimer!
Edited by lashy - 11 years ago

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