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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Tripti and Loveanime,

I too love Rahim to bits, but I am afraid I do not agree with any of this, and for good reason;

Tripti dear, how does Jalal imagine that the ulema who have, thanks to his lack of resistance, acquired the power to dethrone him, are going to accept his choice of a successor? Why would a butparast Shahenshah who has been evicted for betraying Islam, be allowed to rule thru the back door via Rahim?

In fact, just as happened with Bairam Khan, very soon after Jalal gave up the throne, he would have been murdered by Adham, to make sure that he did not come back somehow. That was a dead cert.

Te revert, Rahim? A 4 year old, whose father was one of the most hated men in the Mughal sultanate? How long does Jalal think Rahim would stay alive even if the ulema accepted him as the heir? It seems to be such an ill-considered, kneejerk statement that one does not know what to make of it.

On another aspect of this takht tyaag, it was very irresponsible of Jalal to have caved in like that before the power of the clergy. There was, in that part of the scene, none of the fire with which he declares, just a little earlier, that if the maulvis had not been the custodians of the faith, he would have decapitated them on the spot.

In fact he throws in the towel straightaway, and not only accepts that they have the right to dethrone him, but is ready to step down at once.

This is simply unbelievable, that an emperor would be prepared to quit this throne, abandon his subjects, and leave them to suffer from all the chaos, instability, civil war and all that would follow in their wake, for the self indulgence of being seem to keep his word to his wife. This is not rajadharma in any form, it is the negation of it. A king should be prepared to suffer hellfire if necessary to protect his subjects, and here we have a Jalal who thinks of nothing but his own self-indulgent virtue.

Shyamala Aunty




But Aunty. Jalal obviously knows that Adham & Shirffu aren't to be trusted. After reading what I write I Do agree to a certain point but to think of it' your way but that would mean to under-estimate Jalal.

Rahim could very well have been chosen because of his lineage & the fact that he was in status & name Jalal's son.

Jalal was taking a HUGE risk & too found the way he didn't protest to any of this, highly silly. The duty of. Every king through the ages has been to protect their subjects..

I think Jalal should just stay away from Jodha!! She muddles his mind horribly! πŸ˜†πŸ˜†
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52
Thanks dear...😳

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais


But Aunty. Jalal obviously knows that Adham & Shirffu aren't to be trusted. After reading what I write I Do agree to a certain point but to think of it' your way but that would mean to under-estimate Jalal.

Rahim could very well have been chosen because of his lineage & the fact that he was in status & name Jalal's son.

Jalal was taking a HUGE risk & too found the way he didn't protest to any of this, highly silly. The duty of. Every king through the ages has been to protect their subjects..

I think Jalal should just stay away from Jodha!! She muddles his mind horribly! πŸ˜†πŸ˜†


He was about to do a momentous thing for a vachan which she doesn't even acknowledge...she'd risked his life during barood incident which she never apologized for...
aiyooo...when will Jo start acting like a normal lady...πŸ˜•

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Posted: 11 years ago
#53
She can't!!!
Earlier I used to think she had a few screws loose.


Now I believe she just doesn't possess a brain!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54
Tripti my sweet, you are not being logical. It would not be in Jalal's hands to choose his successor once the ulema had got him dethroned for a crime against Islam, butparasti. Not Rahim, nor anyone else, so where is the point of your argument, as if I was saying that he should choose Adham or Sharifuddin? That is NOT what I am suggesting at all.

The minute he was dethroned, Jalal would become a non-person, deprived of the protection of the Mughal sultanate.Exactly what happened to Bairam once he was no longer the Wazir--e-Ala would happen to Jalal. Adham would have him killed. Killing him would have been essential because his lineage would always have made him a dangerous rallying point for the awaam.

What do you imagine, that the clergy, having declared him a sinner unfit to rule, would let him rule by proxy?No way.

There would have been an all out power struggle, between Adham, Sharif and other claimants as well. Rahim would have been killed, and the eventual winner would try and marry Ruqaiya to get the legitimacy that would go with her true blue Mughal ancestry, and her nasl-e-Timuri. Jodha would have to kill herself to escape being recruited into the successor's harem, and Hamida would have been dumped in some corner of the palace.

That, Tripti, Lashy, Loveanime and the others, is exactly what would have happened. A succession struggle for an imperial throne is not a civilised tea party. It is a bloodbath. Which is why it was irresponsible and criminally foolish of Jalal to risk all this, and its fallout for the awaam, just to be able to say that he was a reincarnation of the Raghukul Shromani Lord Rama with his pran jaye par vachan ne jaye.

Think this over and you will agree with me.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

But Aunty. Jalal obviously knows that Adham & Shirffu aren't to be trusted. After reading what I write I Do agree to a certain point but to think of it' your way but that would mean to under-estimate Jalal.

Rahim could very well have been chosen because of his lineage & the fact that he was in status & name Jalal's son.

Jalal was taking a HUGE risk & too found the way he didn't protest to any of this, highly silly. The duty of. Every king through the ages has been to protect their subjects..

I think Jalal should just stay away from Jodha!! She muddles his mind horribly! πŸ˜†πŸ˜†

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Tripti and Loveanime,

I too love Rahim to bits, but I am afraid I do not agree with any of this, and for good reason;

Tripti dear, how does Jalal imagine that the ulema who have, thanks to his lack of resistance, acquired the power to dethrone him, are going to accept his choice of a successor? Why would a butparast Shahenshah who has been evicted for betraying Islam, be allowed to rule thru the back door via Rahim?

In fact, just as happened with Bairam Khan, very soon after Jalal gave up the throne, he would have been murdered by Adham, to make sure that he did not come back somehow. That was a dead cert.

Te revert, Rahim? A 4 year old, whose father was one of the most hated men in the Mughal sultanate? How long does Jalal think Rahim would stay alive even if the ulema accepted him as the heir? It seems to be such an ill-considered, kneejerk statement that one does not know what to make of it.

On another aspect of this takht tyaag, it was very irresponsible of Jalal to have caved in like that before the power of the clergy. There was, in that part of the scene, none of the fire with which he declares, just a little earlier, that if the maulvis had not been the custodians of the faith, he would have decapitated them on the spot.

In fact he throws in the towel straightaway, and not only accepts that they have the right to dethrone him, but is ready to step down at once.

This is simply unbelievable, that an emperor would be prepared to quit this throne, abandon his subjects, and leave them to suffer from all the chaos, instability, civil war and all that would follow in their wake, for the self indulgence of being seem to keep his word to his wife. This is not rajadharma in any form, it is the negation of it. A king should be prepared to suffer hellfire if necessary to protect his subjects, and here we have a Jalal who thinks of nothing but his own self-indulgent virtue.

Shyamala Aunty





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Posted: 11 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Tripti my sweet, you are not being logical. It would not be in Jalal's hands to choose his successor once the ulema had got him dethroned for a crime against Islam, butparasti. Not Rahim, nor anyone else, so where is the point of your argument, as if I was saying that he should choose Adham or Sharifuddin? That is NOT what I am suggesting at all.

The minute he was dethroned, Jalal would become a non-person, deprived of the protection of the Mughal sultanate.Exactly what happened to Bairam once he was no longer the Wazir--e-Ala would happen to Jalal. Adham would have him killed. Killing him would have been essential because his lineage would always have made him a dangerous rallying point for the awaam.

What do you imagine, that the clergy, having declared him a sinner unfit to rule, would let him rule by proxy?No way.

There would have been an all out power struggle, between Adham, Sharif and other claimants as well. Rahim would have been killed, and the eventual winner would try and marry Ruqaiya to get the legitimacy that would go with her true blue Mughal ancestry, and her nasl-e-Timuri. Jodha would have to kill herself to escape being recruited into the successor's harem, and Hamida would have been dumped in some corner of the palace.

That, Tripti, Lashy, Loveanime and the others, is exactly what would have happened. A succession struggle for an imperial throne is not a civilised tea party. It is a bloodbath. Which is why it was irresponsible and criminally foolish of Jalal to risk all this, and its fallout for the awaam, just to be able to say that he was a reincarnation of the Raghukul Shromani Lord Rama with his pran jaye par vachan ne jaye.

Think this over and you will agree with me.

Shyamala Aunty



😲 Had not thought this way..
The CVs are counting on us not realizing all this...

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