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Posted: 11 years ago
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good post , Lashy.

read my post in Mansi's thread, if possible for u. I don't know why, but i have a thinking that Hameeda was behind the whole conversion issue to protect both Jalal and Jodha, and she has played it from begining to final decision making. i have tried to explain it there. would love ur take on it.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: loveanime

Another point just mentioned in passing but I thought it was huge and didn't get the reaction it deserved, did jalal announce rahim as his heir. I thought there should have been more focus on Adaham and Maham reactions. All the scheming that goes on it to get the throne for themselves, but if Jalal has a will and Rahim is his heir until he has a son of his own then what of their plan. Obviously I get that Rahim is a baby getting him killed would be too easy. I loved that they mentioned Rahim though he is such a lovely boy and and all interactions between Jalal baba and chotu Rahim has been so sincere. I am glad the wrtiers brought that in to show the importance of Rahim in Jalal's life.


That decision wasn't only because he loves Rahim! ๐Ÿ˜†That was a pure siyaasi maamlaa.

Rahim is a small child. Jalal's wife's foster son & also, Jalal's. He is what? Just 4 or at the most, 5? On the show. Him ascending the throne means Jalal's continued supremacy over Hindustaan & the Mughal sultanate . ๐Ÿ˜Š

Jalal is too intelligent a man to throw around something as huge as this. If it would've come to Rahim ascending the throne, then, Jalal would've ruled in all but name till Rahim would've been 18. Which would be at the least, a good 10 years!

Then, they would've brain-stormed during those years to find a way for Jalal to retain the throne & be the Emperor.

From what we know of Rahim from history, and of course of Jalal, it would've worked wonderfully too. ๐Ÿ˜Š
Edited by Mallika-E-Bhais - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: Ariel

Lashy, nice post!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

The whole episode though seemed rather lackluster to me. Your post makes it seem better than it was :)
Awww...

Why is Jodha such an ungrateful wench? Could she not have said while I appreciate your support and refusal to force me to convert I'm still angry that you broke your promise over body heat? Why is she sooo ungracious?
I don't know why the CVs portray her so...๐Ÿ˜•We've been screaming hoarse about dignified hatred...but she seems to possess little dignity and lots of hatred...

Anyway thats a small gripe. What really bothered me was how easily Jalal was so cruel to Ruqqaiya. Jalal knows that she comes in various shades of grey, however I thought it was so admirable that he never judged his best friend and accepted her as she was. So why the surprise that she spied on you now Jalal? It was all peachy while you joined her in scheming but now suddenly you decide punish her for being who she is? I really didnt like how cold he was. And him telling her about the night not only cheapened his concern and affection for Jodha, it was also a slap in the face for ruqs for carrying on as usually does. He would have been more than happy had her spying helped him in anyway, esp if he was alone and in danger. I guess I should be happy he didnt tell her that he asked Jo stay with him every night at Amer. Anyway, this was coming, him getting close to Jo implied this would happen some day. Anyway I thought he would rise above it.
Since its only the first scene and him being his naughty self, I haven't judged him as harshly as you have - though if you do ready my posts around, I have condemned the fact that he lied to Ruqs about it... it is not necessary and will get him in trouble in future.
However, there also seems to be more takers for an anti-Ruqs portrayal than a pro-Ruqs one in the forum๐Ÿ˜•...i.e. for 2 who stated that Ruqs didn't deserve it, I read 5-6 stating that she did!
Whichever way, the CVs have got their game right if we have all leads and main parallel leads having both fans and haters...it keeps the drama, discussion and heated debates going on!
Nothing in this serial is one-dimensional (except maybe someone like HB)...I think that is the USP of this serial! While we have Jo non-fans, we have Jo lovers, we have Ruqs haters and Ruq lovers, HB non-fans and HB lovers, Jalal non-fans and Jalal Diwanis...lol...

Well show is not over, so there is hope that he will not hurt her just because he found a new someone someone. I really didnt expect this from him. I know he told her because he was annoyed by her not trusting him but I wish he had reigned in his temper like he does with Jodha.
He wasn't angry with her - I'm sorry if I have read the scene differently to you ...but I think he was taking advantage of his impishness..๐Ÿค”

And contrary to popular opinion I didnt see jealousy in Ruqs face in the precap. I know its coming but I felt like I saw pain on her face for now. The pain of unrequited love. Of loving someone and waiting for them to see your whole life only to realize that it might not happen at all. Hopefully CVs will redeem Ruqs, maybe they wont but today I felt so bad for her.
I feel bad for her and will...till they decide to turn her into a proper Komolika which I hope they don't!๐Ÿ˜•
Its hard to be in love with someone and watch them walk away. Ask Sanjay leela Bhansali ๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜ƒ
Awww I know yaar...๐Ÿ˜ญ

Anyway I will be one getting a slap on the cheek if they completely push Ruqs over to the other side tomorrow.
๐Ÿ˜†
On a lighter note, I liked how in one glance at jodha, he understood that she was hurt and proceeded to defend her against Ruqs and MA. Everything else he did today was awesome!
Awww that was beautiful!๐Ÿ˜ณ Thanks dear for your beautiful comments...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: nandinidavid96

Superb Post Again๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Thanks dear...๐Ÿ˜ณ

Originally posted by: sunshine_sun

A best friend or a Begum...simply he dont want ayone to intervene in his life .HE never allowed jodha o dat ๐Ÿ˜ฒ As a Shehanshah he did what is needed . we have to see today what goes on btw ruqs n jalal..it ended on a mysterious note. besides i never think he will forget her or leave her ..he is not that person...She will always be his begum e khaas.๐Ÿ˜ณ

Opinion seems quite divided on whether Jalal should have lied to Ruqs or not...I personally feel he shouldn't have...but, then again we'll wait and watch to see how its all taken...๐Ÿ˜Š
Thanks dear for yoru compliment...๐Ÿ˜ณ
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

good post , Lashy.

read my post in Mansi's thread, if possible for u. I don't know why, but i have a thinking that Hameeda was behind the whole conversion issue to protect both Jalal and Jodha, and she has played it from begining to final decision making. i have tried to explain it there. would love ur take on it.


Let's see...she doesn't seem to be one who's capable of orchestrating such a highly-important issue so craftily...also, her plan could have a lot of loopholes..but shall read through it...
thanks dear..๐Ÿ˜ณ
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sighhh, am trying hard not to keep any more expectations from Jo begum, its really a trying job ๐Ÿ˜‰ . And yeah, I ve seen the varied responses to yday s epi too, mostly enjoyable viewpoints I d say ๐Ÿ˜Š . And haan, the name is Gayathri or Gayu, feel free to use either ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
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Posted: 11 years ago
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My dear Tripti and Loveanime,

I too love Rahim to bits, but I am afraid I do not agree with any of this, and for good reason;

Tripti dear, how does Jalal imagine that the ulema who have, thanks to his lack of resistance, acquired the power to dethrone him, are going to accept his choice of a successor? Why would a butparast Shahenshah who has been evicted for betraying Islam, be allowed to rule thru the back door via Rahim?

In fact, just as happened with Bairam Khan, very soon after Jalal gave up the throne, he would have been murdered by Adham, to make sure that he did not come back somehow. That was a dead cert.

Te revert, Rahim? A 4 year old, whose father was one of the most hated men in the Mughal sultanate? How long does Jalal think Rahim would stay alive even if the ulema accepted him as the heir? It seems to be such an ill-considered, kneejerk statement that one does not know what to make of it.

On another aspect of this takht tyaag, it was very irresponsible of Jalal to have caved in like that before the power of the clergy. There was, in that part of the scene, none of the fire with which he declares, just a little earlier, that if the maulvis had not been the custodians of the faith, he would have decapitated them on the spot.

In fact he throws in the towel straightaway, and not only accepts that they have the right to dethrone him, but is ready to step down at once.

This is simply unbelievable, that an emperor would be prepared to quit this throne, abandon his subjects, and leave them to suffer from all the chaos, instability, civil war and all that would follow in their wake, for the self indulgence of being seem to keep his word to his wife. This is not rajadharma in any form, it is the negation of it. A king should be prepared to suffer hellfire if necessary to protect his subjects, and here we have a Jalal who thinks of nothing but his own self-indulgent virtue.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

That decision wasn't only because he loves Rahim! ๐Ÿ˜†That was a pure siyaasi maamlaa.

Rahim is a small child. Jalal's wife's foster son & also, Jalal's. He is what? Just 4 or at the most, 5? On the show. Him ascending the throne means Jalal's continued supremacy over Hindustaan & the Mughal sultanate . ๐Ÿ˜Š

Jalal is too intelligent a man to throw around something as huge as this. If it would've come to Rahim ascending the throne, then, Jalal would've ruled in all but name till Rahim would've been 18. Which would be at the least, a good 10 years!

Then, they would've brain-stormed during those years to find a way for Jalal to retain the throne & be the Emperor.

From what we know of Rahim from history, and of course of Jalal, it would've worked wonderfully too. ๐Ÿ˜Š

Originally posted by: loveanime

Another point just mentioned in passing but I thought it was huge and didn't get the reaction it deserved, did jalal announce rahim as his heir. I thought there should have been more focus on Adaham and Maham reactions. All the scheming that goes on it to get the throne for themselves, but if Jalal has a will and Rahim is his heir until he has a son of his own then what of their plan. Obviously I get that Rahim is a baby getting him killed would be too easy. I loved that they mentioned Rahim though he is such a lovely boy and and all interactions between Jalal baba and chotu Rahim has been so sincere. I am glad the wrtiers brought that in to show the importance of Rahim in Jalal's life.



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: loveanime

Another point just mentioned in passing but I thought it was huge and didn't get the reaction it deserved, did jalal announce rahim as his heir. I thought there should have been more focus on Adaham and Maham reactions. All the scheming that goes on it to get the throne for themselves, but if Jalal has a will and Rahim is his heir until he has a son of his own then what of their plan. Obviously I get that Rahim is a baby getting him killed would be too easy. I loved that they mentioned Rahim though he is such a lovely boy and and all interactions between Jalal baba and chotu Rahim has been so sincere. I am glad the wrtiers brought that in to show the importance of Rahim in Jalal's life.

Yes...it was quite monumental..but, trust the CVs to have bunged up 3 -4 monumental things in one episode - one doesn't know which bit to discuss or not...๐Ÿ˜†

Thanks dear for the comments...I'm somewhat in accordance with what Tripti has posted...however, we don't know if Rahim would have turned out like his father and rebelled against Jalal..
so yes...all in all Jalal was taking a risk -A BIG RISK at that...and its not the first time his life/takth have been at risk because of Jo...(though this time she wasn't to blame)

Nevertheless, in both cases she hasn't expressed gratitude of her own accord and that's what gets to me about her...๐Ÿ˜•
I don't mind Jalal risking all this for the sake of this serial drama (which would never have happened)...But then, plain court dealings and repeated assassination attempts are not going to get the TRPs this serial needs - only drama will!

But, if its a love story - then all hinges upon Ja's and Jo's characterization isn't it? This is where and how the CVs trivialize the plot and position of an emperor when they depict Jo showing little regard for ANYTHING he does for her - that's what feels so unnatural...
Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Did you watch Kasutii too? Oh dear, Komolika...๐Ÿ˜† Ruqs is definitely heading in that direction. I think thats why they replaced the old Ruqs๐Ÿ˜†
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ariel...(is that how you'd like to be called๐Ÿ˜ณ)
No I didn't follow kasauti but who doesn't know komolika๐Ÿ˜†

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