Mughals- Akbar's wives....Pg14

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Alakh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: myviewprem
yes many will be more scared for their children's future and hence kill siblings and their kids.

What a horrible life you are scared that your sibling or his kids will kill you and his kids for throne?

Who started this parampara in mughals any idea?

And did jehangir kill any of his siblings or their kids to come to power?

Maybe because they don't regard their brothers and sisters as their own because they are from a different mother and there is no love between them?

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disha

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Posted: 11 years ago

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A very interesting thread indeed!

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Mallika-E-Bhais

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Exactly.

Alakh's reason is the correct reason.

They're brothers & sisters, only in name.

They hardly spend time with each other, they're constantly taught only to compete with each other. There is crazy competition & carried out in absurd ways, by everyone!!

Wives against other wives, children against their own siblings.. Only to curry favour with their Lord & Master, the Emperor of India.

It was a crazy environment & all that luxury, un-imaginable wealth led most of them to debauchery & disease.

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myviewprem

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

Maybe because they don't regard their brothers and sisters as their own because they are from a different mother and there is no love between them?

Why i asked specifically about Jehangir is that in a book on Mughals it mentioned "Jehangir" was only Mughal not to kill his siblings, cousins etc to come on throne. He blinded Khusrau his son but no records of killing any blood relative. So i was curious if anyone has proof of him killing any blood relative to come to throne.

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Alakh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: myviewprem

Why i asked specifically about Jehangir is that in a book on Mughals it mentioned "Jehangir" was only Mughal not to kill his siblings, cousins etc to come on throne. He blinded Khusrau his son but no records of killing any blood relative. So i was curious if anyone has proof of him killing any blood relative to come to throne.

But I guess his brothers sort of killed themselves.. 😆

His cousin's from his mother's side were no threat to him.. maybe he didn't have to kill anyone or he wasn't the kind of person who would.. Shah jahan and Aurangazeb seem to be the cruelest among them all.

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myviewprem

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais
Exactly.

Alakh's reason is the correct reason.

They're brothers & sisters, only in name.

They hardly spend time with each other, they're constantly taught only to compete with each other. There is crazy competition & carried out in absurd ways, by everyone!!

Wives against other wives, children against their own siblings.. Only to curry favour with their Lord & Master, the Emperor of India.

It was a crazy environment & all that luxury, un-imaginable wealth led most of them to debauchery & disease.

No, there are instances of brothers-sisters born of different mothers loving each other too.

Aurangzeb's youngest son was put in jail because he protested his elder step brother being put in jail for 10 years for a silly offence and defied his orders and went to meet him in jail. One brother indeed went to war with his father for putting 3 of his brothers(2 step) in jail but lost the war.

Jehangir also was fond of his siblings(all step brothers and sisters) and even brought them gifts from campaigns and they also were very cordial with him(like going to meet him even after he rebelled against akbar).

So not all generations were after each others throats and life. I guess it depended how they were brought up in childhood. So Akbar's wife must have brought them up nicely together so they had no rivalry and suspicion on each other. And aurangzeb with such a father no doubt many step siblings were close as he was their oppressor and they had to stay united to save themselves.

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Mallika-E-Bhais

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Most generations were against each other.

Exceptions are present everywhere. 😊

And many of them used to show all signs of care & cordiality, while stabbing knives in each other's backs. 😆

Am sure there were cases of brothers & sisters loving each other a lot too.

Like in the case of Aurangzeb with Jahanara. He loved her to bits & pieces but she never did. It was only after their father's death that she shifted to his harem as his Paadshaah Begum which infuriated his wives a lot.

But he was adamant that only his Jahan Aapaa would be his chief Begum in name & status only of course.

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Alakh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: myviewprem

No, there are instances of brothers-sisters born of different mothers loving each other too.

Aurangzeb's youngest son was put in jail because he protested his elder step brother being put in jail for 10 years for a silly offence and defied his orders and went to meet him in jail. One brother indeed went to war with his father for putting 3 of his brothers(2 step) in jail but lost the war.

Jehangir also was fond of his siblings(all step brothers and sisters) and even brought them gifts from campaigns and they also were very cordial with him(like going to meet him even after he rebelled against akbar).

So not all generations were after each others throats and life. I guess it depended how they were brought up in childhood. So Akbar's wife must have brought them up nicely together so they had no rivalry and suspicion on each other. And aurangzeb with such a father no doubt many step siblings were close as he was their oppressor and they had to stay united to save themselves.

True😆 Mutual hatred brings you closer😆

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myviewprem

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

But I guess his brothers sort of killed themselves.. 😆

His cousin's from his mother's side were no threat to him.. maybe he didn't have to kill anyone or he wasn't the kind of person who would.. Shah jahan and Aurangazeb seem to be the cruelest among them all.

Yes they killed themselves with over drinking. But he had first cousin brothers(Akbar's step brothers sons yes Akbar had step brothers) he had his brothers Danyial's and Murad's sons and daughters staying with him in Agra fort. Indeed when he died Khusrau's(son) 5 sons, Danyials(bro) sons(2) and Murads(bro) sons, Parvez(son who died) sons, Jahanadar(son) and his son's were with Jehangir at lahore fort.

All were executed with Shariyar the potential threat to throne at Lahore fort a week after Jehangir died and Shah Jahan became emperor at agra fort by his father in law Asaf Khan. It was literal blood bath wiping out entire mughal male members except Shah Jahan and his sons. Atleast Jehangir was decent enough to take care of so many cousins kids, nephews, neices etc in his life time when they were all step relatives not belonging to his own mother(not his own brothers-sisters or their children only step brothers-sisters, cousin brothers-sisters) but some other step mothers or fathers(akbar) step mothers?

This shah jahan looks more cruel than that aurangzeb he killed 2 brothers and one died destitute and father in jail. But shah jahan i think executed almost 40-50 male relatives at one go 😡 wiping every male family member of his dyansty almost from face of earth.

I think this trend started from that Ghenghis Khan he killed his eldest brother in cold blood when in exile in forest at age of 12. Raeson-that fellow who was 15 years then would hide extra food from his other siblings.

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myviewprem

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Prince Salim and Battle of Haldighatti

I heard this story in childhood about battle of haldighatti(there are many story's on that battle), just wanted to know if its right and any documents exist.

Jehangir-Prince Salim was sent with Man Singh in Battle of haldighatti with mughal forces. Salim was 7 years old then(1576). Now during battle Salim was on an war elephant Since the battle was fierce he was taken out of battle field and stayed there with a few body gaurds on a horse.

But like any 7 year old child he was curious and liked nature, flora and fauna and wanted to explore. At one point the battle got very intense and his body gaurds were distracted and Prince Salim wandered far off looking at the beautiful scenery.

Now we all know what happened in war Maharana Pratap left war field followed by 2 Afghan soldiers and Shakti Singh saved him by killing them and giving his horse to Pratap to escape. Prince Salim who was on vantage point looking at the place apparently saw Shakti Singh giving his horse to Pratap and him leaving. By then Mughal body gaurds and soldiers reached there(where shakti singh). Prince Salim joined them and they all went back.

A few months later some person raised a doubt on Shakti Singh reaching the spot where Chetak died before anyone else and about the two afghans. Akbar was not in court, hence Salim was asked to question him. Salim who already knew truth asked him and Shakti Singh denied helping Maharana Pratap.

Salim who had known the truth told him that if he told truth he shall not do anything to him. Shakti Singh broke down and confessed that he could not see his own brother in danger and dying before his eyes. Salim who was but a child and who himself was very close to his brothers Murad and Daniyal felt his view was justified that no brother can watch his own blood in danger and not react as Shakti Singh did. Hence despite grave opposition to punish the traitor, Salim told Shakti Singh to leave Mughal court immediately and go away to his brother and family. Shakti Singh left and joined his brother but on way captured a fort under mughals.

I know as per history Salim was present at haldighatti battle and he pardoned Shakti Singh and sent him away from mughal court. But did he see shakti saving pratap in battlefield?

Salim is totally missing in Akbarnama after his birth and first day at school and Jehangirnama was written after he became king.

Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago