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Posted: 12 years ago
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I have missed commenting on these posts..
I seriously thought that the fencing scene would have come much later in the soap.
I kind of expected Jodha to wield her sword to protect her people in a situation where Jalal could not have been approached for help.
But no! they had to go the movie way!..It did not make sense.. In the movie it's clearly shown that it was a routine of sorts for Jodha to dual in the morning, sort of like a workout .This was out of nowhere! Why would she suddenly go do that and in a place where Akbar would normally do it! It was so fake and disappointing..
However like you, i think the dual in itself was a treat to watch.The scenario was blah! but the dual wasn't .I still wish they had waited for the scene though.If they so badly wanted to have it in the soap why not await the perfect opportunity for it.?

I do not like Jodha! Can she stop acting so childish?! Stop hating Jalal for no reason! She is so annoying!. lol im sorry i have to let it out!.. Its frustrating!
Why can't she go all "guruur ki malika" on Maham Anga..NOOO! she is all "im gonna stand here like the statue that i am" in front of her but only when it comes to jalal she goes RAAAR!!!!

And Ruqaiya.. I feel so bad for the real one who's probably turning in her grave if she ever got the opportunity to watch this potrayal of herself! Such a supreme and majestic Character reduced to being such a Blonde!



Edited by misaki - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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hello maam,amazing read as always👏

the swordfight was of course silly n hastily thrust upon 😆
what i found implausible was how did jalal immediately know it was jodha..there shud hav been some element of wondering and surprise..wud b more natural!

n jus like jodha left midway during diwan-e-khas n not knowing how jalal deals wid th hindu family,,ruqs left widout being curious to see how things progress wen JA were having a private moment...n similarily being left in dark abt the outcome..ludicrous!😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
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thank you so much for this post, it was lovely and insightful as always
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Posted: 12 years ago
#24
Thank you, my dear.

As for Jalal recognising her, he does that only when he comes near enough to see the bindi which is, as I had noted in the post, a dead giveaway. You can rewatch the epiosode and see the change in his expression before and after he recognises her., Before, he is openly amused; after, he is curious and he advances towards her without any intention of fencing with her till she lunges at him, and then he is off.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: teletubby

hello maam,amazing read as always👏

the swordfight was of course silly n hastily thrust upon 😆
what i found implausible was how did jalal immediately know it was jodha..there shud hav been some element of wondering and surprise..wud b more natural!

n jus like jodha left midway during diwan-e-khas n not knowing how jalal deals wid th hindu family,,ruqs left widout being curious to see how things progress wen JA were having a private moment...n similarily being left in dark abt the outcome..ludicrous!😕

Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Ayesha, Munia, Leelu and Surbhi,

Thank you so much for such warm appreciation. you quite spoil me!

Shyamala Aunty



Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank you so much, my dear, and it is lovely to hear from you again after so long! And as for your prediction for Monday, fingers crossed!

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: QtnNotti

Hello my dear aunty 🤗


Aptly analysed, as always.

This episode was purely a visual treat for us, the AkDha lovers. However, after one comes out of the daze, all your points start to make sense 😆

Maaham Anga really thinks little to nothing of Jodha. I would be convinced if she doesn't regard her as his begum even. This crone is oozing with overconfidence because Jalal considers her his Badi Ammi. Soon the importance of that title will fall in doubt with just one accusation proven valid. I can't wait to see her face then 😡

Poor Ruqaiya...no, not anymore, isn't interested in Jalal's welfare. She thrives on her supremacy in the harem..only caring for Ruqaiya and no one else, not even her Shauhar. She knows she can't afford to fall from Jalal's good grace, because that's her ticket to rule over others in the harem. She's an empress after all. So, she has to rule!

Fencing scene - Ahem Ahem! I sense a hriday vs dimaag lecture coming up on Monday. She will say I think from my heart and so thought apt to save Moti because I love her and prem toh hriday se hi hota hai, jo aapke paas nahi hai. Jalal will obviously scoff at her and concoct a dil-dimaag duel 😉 to prove her wrong! we, obviously, know who will win😆

Sword fight scenes were well-planned and placed. Both the actors fulfilled our wishes one hundred percent👍🏼

P.S. I have come out of silence and I know you are happy 😛❤️

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well, Pallavi, that is a good explanation, but still it seemed abrupt. Anyway, it was very good to look at, so how does the context matter after all? As for your now getting exasperated with Ruqaiya instead of with Begum Saridon, one has to learn to endure what one cannot cure!

As for Mahaam Anga. it is not that she has no clue how to behave with a royal lady. She knows that perfectly well, whether is Hamida Banu Begum or Ruqaiya. It is merely that she is a very arrogant witch, and she thinks she can get away with saying whatever she likes, no matter how overtly insulting, to Jodha and get away with it, that is all.

And Jodha, for all the commendations she has received her for 'handling her with dignity', to my mind, fell down on the job. All she had to do was to be coldly dignified and tell her to leave. It is not being dignified to let anyone talk to you the way Mahaam Anga mocked and derided her. It is being very foolishly mild and long suffering.One oblique retort does not constitute an adequate response to such a violent attack.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: PallaviDas003

it's really a commendable one,not because you've summed up all the crucial points so synchronically in your one post but also you've taken this much effort with a infectious eye..
yes yesterday I also was not ready to witness a fencing between the leads.. but as I have come across with so many posts,I've seen elsewhere that people taking it this way as jalal practicise sword everyday whatever be the situation and we saw it before that he never skip his practice when he was in sambar even in his wedding phase. And we can assume now that almost more than 2 weeks have been passed since jodha stepped in agra,so now she is getting accustomed with agra and also trying to get back to her old daily routine. Hence she was also practicing sword and by that time jalal came and saw her.This explanation has gone with me very well. And aunty I didn't see any guard arround the place where they were fencing. So perhaps it was some innermost place of agra fort where royal guards were not allowed..:-)

Ruqaiyaa and her villainous smile are getting on my nerves.. I wished to get rid of hamida's whinning homilies,seems now god has listened to me but on the other hand filled the void with Ruqu..
appling Physics no place can remain void in earth..

Maham anga,another one,confuses me,sometime she behaves so witty,sly,sometine very dull as she has no clue how to behave with a royal lady.. I think she still now not aware of the fact that how much there be ego clash between jalal and jodha,but Jalal will never allow MA to disrespect Jodha..

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thanks a lot, my dear Sonila, but I am afraid I do not at all share your Wow! reaction to the way Jodha handled Mahaam Anga and her unbridled viciousness. Please see my response to Pallavi above. I cannot imagine any queen in her right mind letting anyone, repeat anyone, talk to her like that, and stand around listening to the tirade till Mahaam Anga ran out of steam


Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: sonilausarun

Lovely post aunty ! Loved yest 's maham n jodha face off . The way she replied to maham n showed her the right place just woww .. No words for akdha's scene .. I m still drooling on the sword fight n hand hold scenes uff

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Shalmali,

I agree with you about the real roots of Mahaam Anga's behaviour, which is why I had used the expression escalating fear when describing her reaction.

But there is also, clearly, the assessment on her part that she can get away with such uncalled for and vicious nastiness to Jodha, as there is at present no backing for Jodha from the only person who counts for Mahaam Anga, Jalal. That element cannot and should not be discounted. She would never say anything remotely similar to Mansingh, even if she ever got the chance, for she would know that the kid would repeat it verbatim to Jalal, with whom it would not play well at all.

Also, please do go back and listen to what all MA says to Jodha, and then tell me if free enough to even be slightly disrespectful towards her is the right phrase. "Slightly disrespectful", when she tells Jodha that she has nothing that the other queens have, and that she is going to be discarded like a piece of junk soon, and then she, Mahaam Anga, will show her where her real place in the harem is? Slightly?? Have a heart, my dear!

And what does Jodha have to say to that? A protest about the lack of respect of women in the harem for other women, but not a word about the insults to her. What sort of Rani is she claiming to be? Would any queen in her right mind, who realises what is due to her postion, have stood there and listened to this stream of vile insults till the old harridan ran out of steam, and after she leered into her face and finally took herself off, nodded her head in apparent wonderment at such overt and unbelievable rudeness? I do not at all agree that Jodha was quietly dignified. I think she was foolish in the extreme to let MA go on as she did unchecked.

There was no need for her to be undignified, or to descend to MA's level, as someone else has noted. She could have been freezingly dignified and yet coldly dismissive. She should not have allowed even one of those insulting sentences to be completed at all. No true queen would have permitted it.

It was not a question of a 'first stone', was it? It was a shower of boulders.

The thing is that Jodha has not yet learnt the ropes of queenliness. Even Hamida Banu would never have put up with a a fraction of the stuff that was dished out to Jodha today. If the Mughal servants heard Mahaam Anga talk to her like this and get away with it, soon they would start being cheeky with Jodha as well. Perceptions matter.

The other thing is that Paridhi is beginning to grow on me as an actress, and she was really very good in both the encounters with Jalal yesterday, especially the firman one. And Jodha, dressed to the nines, looks beautiful all the time now. But the way she handled Mahaam set my teeth on edge. I would have liked to have shaken her soundly and drilled some sense into her pretty head.

I am sorry if I sound abrupt- I do not mean to be, and in any case you have the full right to your own take on this - but the girl really gets my goat!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: shal1983

Hi Shyamala,


What an awsome episode - the chemistry was unbelieavble and the Jodha - Akbar scenes had me hyperventilating the whole time. But like you said, a cold splash of water and a reminder that i do live in the real world and and i was almost (but not quite) able to wipe that stupid grin off my face and shoo off those fuzzy thoughts off my brain and concentrate on the work at hand. What a difficult job that was. But alas, the romance of the yester-years and the stories of strong kings and equally proud princesses do tend to have that kind of an effect on us.

Now coming to the actual episode - i agree with you on most points, but on the following two, i respectfully disagree:

1) Maham does have the gall to address Jodha thus. It isnt related to how she perceives Jodha's importance in shehenshah's mind to be, but is more related to her arrogance in her own abilities to manipulate and twist Jalal to her way of thinking. She feels, and sometimes rightly so, that no-one is above and her word is the law, right after shehenshah. That is the kind of political influence she wields. And although she does realise that there is something about Jodha that is threatening and worrisome, much more than ruqaiya does, she is still too high in her self created pedestal, for her to doubt or fear anything that Jodha could have up her sleave. And therefore, she is that free with her words and her thoughts in front of Jodha... free enough to even be slightly disrespectful towards her.

What struck me more, was that even in the throes of her anger, she cannot or does not give the true reason for her anger to Jodha. Maybe, she herself at some level hasnt realised it. It isnt that Jodha was able to free motibai from death, it isnt even that her carefully cultivated story might blow up once adham comes back - No. What angers her more is that, even armed with the shahi farmaan, not many would have managed to change Jalal's decision or his sense of justice, the way Jodha did. She senses the kind of hold that Jodha has on Jalal, the stregth of the attraction that lurkes just underneath the surface, and hence her counter attack is exactly the opposite of what she truly feels. She wants to shake Jodha's confidance, intimidate her and to some extent justify what is happening to herself by reducing Jodha to a mere piece of cloth, that while new will desiarable but soon will fade. It is her own fear, that it isnt so, that makes her say the very opposite words.

Dont think she would have wasted, or been this rattled, if the begum in question was anyone except Jodha. She reads the other begums including ruqaiya, knows what they want, desire and fear easily, and hence is able to predict them and thus weild her power over them, while with Jodha, she is clueless and hence, out of her element.

I am quite intrigued with this charcater of mahamanga for the formidable opponent she is soon going to prove to be.

Far more than the current ruqaiya for sure.

I donot think Jodha, in any way, allowed her pride to fall in front of Maham. She may not have cursed Maham out of the room, and she may have gotten up when Maham came to meet her, but that is just part of the decorum that she follows. You will never see her screaming or shouting, never see her fall to the level of actually asking someone out of her room (except jalal), before she completeley hears them out. The first stone has to always be from the other side, and she will, ably reply. I quite like her responses and the hidden entendres that Jodha gave to maham. Without saying much, she put maham in her place and provoked maham into the kind of frenzy, we havent seen in her till date.

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Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Misaki,

I am glad you did get around to commenting finally, and I agree with all that you have said as well. except that not all blondes are dumb, you know!😉

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: misaki

I have missed commenting on these posts..
I seriously thought that the fencing scene would have come much later in the soap.
I kind of expected Jodha to wield her sword to protect her people in a situation where Jalal could not have been approached for help.
But no! they had to go the movie way!..It did not make sense.. In the movie it's clearly shown that it was a routine of sorts for Jodha to dual in the morning, sort of like a workout .This was out of nowhere! Why would she suddenly go do that and in a place where Akbar would normally do it! It was so fake and disappointing..
However like you, i think the dual in itself was a treat to watch.The scenario was blah! but the dual wasn't .I still wish they had waited for the scene though.If they so badly wanted to have it in the soap why not await the perfect opportunity for it.?

I do not like Jodha! Can she stop acting so childish?! Stop hating Jalal for no reason! She is so annoying!. lol im sorry i have to let it out!.. Its frustrating!
Why can't she go all "guruur ki malika" on Maham Anga..NOOO! she is all "im gonna stand here like the statue that i am" in front of her but only when it comes to jalal she goes RAAAR!!!!

And Ruqaiya.. I feel so bad for the real one who's probably turning in her grave if she ever got the opportunity to watch this potrayal of herself! Such a supreme and majestic Character reduced to being such a Blonde!


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