Jodha Akbar 30: The countdown begins - Page 3

Thanks a lot, Sonila! I am so pleased that you enjoyed this post.

As for the Jalal-Jodha scenes to come, I too am keeping my fingers crossed so tightly that they will soon be able to qualify for a pretzel competition😉!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: sonilausarun

wow aunty wt a beautiful analysis👏 !! enjoyed it😳 !! now m just waiting for jalal n jodha face off after marriage😉 !! i hope kekta mam will handle it properly !! 😕

Thank you, my dear, I am more than pleased!

I write these analyses only when I feel that there is enough scope for one, and I will PM you whenever I do so, so that you can locate them easily amidst the forest of FFs. OSes and SSes!😉

As for Rajat,the boy is Ekta's casting coup for Jalal. He is always reliable and so often exceptional. In that closing shot of his eyes in the precap, the expression in them was unbelievably subtle.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Ashvikfever

I had been waiting for ur post. I just love them. All of them are always beautifully written. Yeah o also agree that the last part was amazing. Rajat acted really good at that part.

Shyamala:

I agree with that, Mansi, for I too am always going back to the film every now and then. Most of all when I lament the replacement for the dignified Kulbhushan Kharbanda as Bharmal,. who managed to turn his weakness into an advantage with such grace and shrewdness.

It might well be that this Sharifuddin starts getting too big for his boots, presuming on Jalal's love for his sister, but as of now,he is too much of an obsequious subordinate to even dream of setting himself up against Jalal.

It remains to be seen whether Ekta goes along with the film track on this. She has already deviated a lot, for example in having a battle (one can hardly dignify it with the term war!) for Amer, whereas historically there was none.

Even in the film, the final mano a mano that supposedly decided the fate of Hindustan was ludicrous, and a weak ending for what was otherwise a wonderful film in every way. Akbar was no fool, and he would never have gone in for any such quixotic folly, but would have had Sharifuddin promptly arrested and banished, even if he did not want to execute him for high treason because of his sister.

After all, Akbar, there or here, would not have become like a marshmallow left out in the sun thanks to Jodha. When he took Chittor after a prolonged siege in 1568, long after he married Jodha, he had all the defenders killed, and set up their heads all along the ramparts (a charming practice adopted worldwide in those days; King Henry VIII of England had Sir Thomas More's head up on Tower Bridge for a month) as a warning to other kingdoms. Maybe it worked, for Ranthambore apparently surrendered in just 2 months.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: skanda12

Shyamala:

I suppose I was also retro-fitting what I know of history to the situation. I think in history (as also in the movie) Sharifuddin become completely an enemy of Akbar.

Seen in that context, I was wondering whether the present Amer War had any contribution to make in the way Sharifuddin viewed Jalal, and I was therefore trying to see whether any shift in dynamics between Sharif-Bharmal-Jalal could have also contributed to Sharif's disenchantment with Jalal.

Of course, it could also have been many other things (that are yet to crop up) that makes Sharif an arch enemy.

In the movie Sharif was already plotting Jalal's downfall when Sujamal approached him, and he was already married to Bakshi Bano. Here he is given Bakshi as a gift for the Amer War, and he is not yet antithetical to Jalal at the time Sujamal approaches him.

As I tell you all the time, Riyya dear, I write them so very lo,,,,ong specifically to try and improve your attention span😉! It needs some help,it seems!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: riyya6

shymala aunty 😳🤗...

1. Tbh ur analysis is too long for riyya to read😳 but i loved reading it & loved all the points mentioned ...

2. I dunno abt u guys but i dun understand 3/4 dialogues of the epi 😆 only after reading the updates i know whats happening to the show...

3. I only have one question, why Jalal has not done anything so far. I mean yes shariffudin captured Amer but why there is no voice over informing the viewer abt Jalal knowing Abt it or whats going on... We viewers are like ... Only yday when King Bharmal wanted to meet him, he started to think abt Ameer & Jodha 😲... All this days wat happen...

4. Im just waiting to see Jodha & jalal in same frame Bas...😆 aunthy 210 minutes starting 5th august... one more week to wait 😆 ... We viewers are tired waiting 😆

Thanks ever so much, my dear.

I too know, in my heart of hearts, that Adham Khan will be around for while yet; for one thing, Chetan Hansraj would hardly have come on board for just half a dozen scenes! And then again, they need a major villain around for a good part of those 500 episodes.

Mine was just wishful thinking. I cannot stand such a coarse, off-putting character, that is all, Now just look at his ammijaan, she would put a rattlesnake to shame any day, and yet not a fingerprint of hers on any of her crimes! Now there is a villain for the ages!

No, I have not seen that scene, fro I do not like watching anything on a 15 inch screen. But I am sure it will turn up soon, and then I will see it on a 50 inch screen for the full impact! It all depends on how she does it, consigning that outfit to the flames. Petulantly or with an air?

Let me see for myself. As for Jalal's response, I think he would laugh in pure amusement at the prospect of having to tame such a spitfire.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: apolloartemis

Aunty,
As always, your posts are a treat for the eyes! It makes a boring episode an interesting one, and an interesting episode a masterpiece. However I do have to disagree on one point with you- Adham Khan. I don't think his end is near at all- he and his mother will plot and plot for Jalal's end and Jodha will ruin each and every plan. Historically Mahamanga lived only 40 days after her son died, and they probably want the actress to stay for a good while yet.
Jalal as you said has no love for Jodha- only the desire to possess her and prove that he is emperor and no one can ever corner him or make him weak. Yet, that dewanapan you talked about will take hold soon enough, and the sparks pre marriage will become inferno's. It'll be interesting to see.
By the way, did you see the E24 segment of Jodha burning the dress Jalal sends her via Mahamanga? Its actually interesting to see- There is MM holding the dress all superior looking, and Jodha takes it and sets it on fire nonchalantly. I laughed- but I wonder what dear Jalal's response will be...

Originally posted by: veil_of_roses

I agree The show has been going too fast paced, some questions are un answered, may be ketka maiyaa will reveal later on.. who knows Chugte Khan was sent to Amer by Jalal..

there has been so many random moments & sequences in show.😆

like Per SBS burning of joda by jodha... really when her brothers can be dead with her one mistake or her father can loose kingdom ?

Originally posted by: skanda12

Shyamala:

I am of the same mind as you regarding the POSSIBILITY of a conspiracy being there between Jalal-Sharifuddin-Chugtai to "get Bharmal into a corner regarding Jodha". Those same kind of thoughts occurred to me too, whether Jalal must have been behind Sharifuddin's decisions to put the money squeeze on Bharmal and the decision not to execute the sons of Bharmal.

Eventually I decided in my own mind that Jalal may not have been in on any conspiracy, but these thoughts did perhaps most definitely strike Sharifuddin himself - who then decided to play the games that he did with Bharmal.

See, I felt that there must be some reason for that scene we had long ago when Sharifuddin asks Jalal where he went missing for three days, and Jalal admits he went to Amer to see the place and the famous Rajkumari Jodha (for whom he openly betrayed a special feeling).

Even when Sharifuddin later is approached by Sujamal to fight against Amer, Sharifuddin is seen to be clearly remembering his talks with Jalal, and he is shown as thrilled with the opportunity to "please Jalal" in order to lobby for a higher position at court for himself after Bairam's death.

Thus it could well be that Sharifuddin decided that Bharmal should be squeezed monetarily and his sons not put to the knife, so that Jalal may have the best chances of getting both Amer and its grand girl!

Okay, there is one more issue that strikes me here, and that is the possible changing dynamics between Sharifuddin and Bharmal - leading to the possibility of bad blood between Sharifuddin and Jalal as well. Sharifuddin may well have thought that Jalal will grab Amer and "decamp" with Jodha and not exactly marry her. By agreeing to marry Jodha, and to not grab Amer, Jalal has done two things Sharifuddin would hate him for:

1. He has reduced the success of the Amer war - and Sharifuddin - by disclaiming Amer and letting Bharmal continue to rule, and he has satisfied himself with just one wife in return. And all that he is giving Sharifuddin also is one wife of his own (Bakshi Bano, who hardly looks like a prize) and nothing more.

2. Jalal has now put Bharmal far above Sharifuddin - he is the Sasurji that Jalal will now likely respect as a demi-father-figure for himself, and Jalal may well give Bharmal all kinds of gloating and ordering rights over Sharifuddin.

So in a way, Sharifuddin is left looking at the debris of his Amer war and discovering that he himself has not got as much from it as he wanted, and if anything, he has even less than he started out with.

My dear,

What a yummy id you have!😉 Thanks a lot for such very warm comments on my efforts.

I agree fully with your take on the evolution in Jalal; this was always there, but the overlay of the attitudes of his two mentors, above all of Bairam Khan, made him much harsher before. Now his real self is emerging, but thankfully, he will never become a marshmallow like Begum Saridon, aka Hamida Banu Begum. his lachrymose Ammijaan.

Jodha was much more believable in the film, but then so was the whole of her family in Amer. It is no use complaining about that, alas! This is a different take on the whole, and we have to take it on its own merits.

Anyway, I think she psyches herself up to be strong, but the fears she suppresses eat away at her nerves and by the time she has the nightmares, she is close to breaking point. Still, when she bids farewell to her father, she strives to retrieve that cold, calm courage and that sense of responsibility for the other prisoners that is truly royal.

As for what lies ahead, I quite agree about something pullling Jalal to Amer and to Jodha. I wrote about that in my take on the payal scene in ,my very first post here a month ago, to be precise. It was called

Ekta's Emperor Jalaluddin Mohammed: an assessment

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3647623

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As for what Jodha will do and how they will interact with each other, as I wrote elsewhere on this thread, I think it is going to be more like a Taming of the Shrew, with apologies to Shakespeare. Only, I cannot make up my mind who will be Kate and who will be Petruchio!😉

I am glad that like Mansi and me, you have become a founding member of the Chugtai Khan Admirers Circle. May our tribe increase! He deserves it, for he is consistently good without being either pompous or vain or foolish, and that is such a refreshing change!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: peachesandcream

Shyamala aunty, just want to take this opportunity to thank you for your posts. I enjoy your posts very much and the threads you start are so full of interesting discussion. You have a lovely writing style. I look forward to reading your analysis.

What I have found interesting in the last few episodes is the emergence of the emperor. This transition to Jalaal being more confident in making his own decisions and being willing to identify himself as the emperor has been smoothly done. As you mentioned his presence was felt even when going up against the towering Adhaam Khan. Contrast the Jalaal of today making a firm decision about his "foster brother" with the Jalaal who needed advice when dealing with Bairam Khan. The circumstances are different no doubt, but he is now even comfortable letting his Baadiami know his limits.

I have found the changes in Jodha less obvious. We see a young girl having nightmares because of her fear for the safety of her brothers contrasting with the princess who gathers herself together and thinks about the responsibilities to all. It is not clear to me whether she has lost some of her idealism.

I am looking forward to the meeting between Jalaal and Jodha. I think his feelings are mixed at this time. He will get satisfaction in seeking his revenge and yet there is something more. I think he feels some thing which he cannot identify, perhaps a fascination. She already interests him because he finds her out of the ordinary. It is not necessarily a romantic attraction but maybe an attraction nevertheless to something which is different for Jalaal. As you mentioned she also feels and instinctive attraction that she has suppressed.

I am glad we are seeing some positivity such as in Chugtai Khan as a balance to some of the other characters.

Thank you so much, my dear Rose.

As for the joda burning incident, I will make up my mind about it after getting the full back story, including what seems to have been a very arrogant and provocative letter addressed to her, or to her father, by Jalal. That would have acted as a trigger and set her off, oveerriding all the angles that veil_of_roses has correctly pointed out. I also want to see how she actually does it, petulantly, or with an air.

Let us see. In her place, I would have taken it with a blank expression and then worn something else to show Jalla and his Badiammi where they got off!

As I wrote above, get set to see something that is far from a conventional romance and more on the lines of a Taming of the Shrew, with apologies to Shakespeare. Only, I cannot make up my mind who will be Kate and who will be Petruchio!😉 I only hope that the scriptwriters are up to handling those scenes well, instead of reducing them to a series of fishmarket squabbles.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

Awesome analysis Aunty..

Silly Jodha.. burning shaadi ka joda.