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Posted: 16 years ago
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here we go again...this must be Karan's fav forum..cuz all we have in this forum is let's praise Karan and lets damn everyone else...Karan Karan and Karan...don't u girls get tired...

For all of ur sake I hope Karan does well..otherwise it will shatter a lot of u...

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: xaneroyxx

First of all we have to recognize that we can't force people to vote for contestants they don't like even if they happen to be better dancers..its a personal preference and it can be unfortunate and unfair but that's why the show is based on voting and not on the opinion of the judges. On the other hand, if you compare the outcome of this show, to the ones that take place in other countries you find that the winners are actually the best dancers and not the most popular. (just a side note)

My main issue is the judges' inconsistency, I have no favorites on the show, I love dance but I also think that if you are a great dancer with a horrible attitude your dancing will take you so far.
so a few comments :
1) Gauhar is an amazing dancer, a very hard worker..her attitude was a huge set back but she seems to be toning that down lately and especially with Hard Kaur's elimination there's really no room for her to display any tantrums. However, votes remain to be her biggest obstacle to winning. Hopefully, today's amazing performances could work in her favor.
2) Baichung's strength is in his growth over the duration of the competition which if wasn't coupled with his popularity expressed through a large number of votes could have been easily a chance given to any other contestant. Baichung has improved a lot..Sonia is an incredible and really creative choreographer, she knows how to bring out the best out in him.
However what I don't understand is how the judges could be so biased and praise Baichung's contemporary performance today and rip off Karan's performance last week. Both performances had the choreographers doing most of the dancing while the contestants were doing most of the balancing/gripping/strength work .
In my opinion if there was any critique to be given Karan's performance was just as good, if not better the only thing that the concept of the dance, if not the dance altogether was copied from a dance from So You Think You Can Dance Canada season one (before you attack I will post the video shortly).
Finally, Baichung's dancing is seriously, robotic, he has absolutely zero expressions on his face..like none. In all dance shows we find judges deducting major marks on that. why is that overlooked in this show? Just a thought.
3) Hard Kaur- I really don't know where to start, this woman was just the most amazing thing on the show. In dance terms, she was versatile and open to criticism. She was a consistent performer and always scored the highest. What amazes me is the stint the judges pulled off on the show last week. I mean, what's the point? the vote was in their hands! they kick her out and then they blame it on the voters for keeping their favorite contestant. Someone had to go..so if according to their view the most consistent, versatile, top scorer had to go..then I guess there's nothing we can do but turning it around and consistently bashing Karan is really tacky.
4) Karan- Is a very good dancer, he is there is no ifs and buts..he's not my favorite, ive never watched his show, didn't know who he was before watching JDJ this season so I don't belong to no camp but if I were to be asked to choose between Baichung and Karan , I'd choose Karan for the simple reason that I am not judging his choreographer I am judging the contestant dancing ability...Karan can dance AND emote. His hip hop Kisna today was phenomenal and the judges were just ridiculous..i was really upset . Compared to Baichung's punjabi kisna ..I mean you can't even compare.
What the contestants and their familes do, or even the channel does to get votes is none of my business... I can't even vote because I don't live in India..I can just admire and praise the hard work that all the contestants put in their performances and the competition in particular. Whether its about popularity or about talent it really remains up to the viewers to decide..we can discuss it and rant and argue all we want since this is a public forum, the matter of fact is the votes will decide. My issue is since the judges role is to determine where the true talent lies, give constructive criticism, guide the contestants, tell them where they went wrong, and what they did right, encourage them when they do well. I think that throughout this competition because Karan is really extremely popular and he is getting votes no matter what the judges are trying to balance that by taking out marks, giving him harsh comments, ripping his good performances, and calling him a bekaar dancer just to appear fair. Channel politics or propaganda..it doesnt seem quite okay to me.

i cannot even begin to tell you how pleasantly surprised i was to read this post...so first of all, thank you very much for the breath of fresh air...😊 after a long time, a neutral, unbiased, and thoroughly relevant post on ALL the contestants...i have not seen last night's performances, so i will not comment on your arguments regarding the same, since that wouldn't be fair...i completely agree with you on Hard Kaur's place in the show, she was absolutely fabulous and probably deserved to win the title, and i also agree on the pointlessness of the Judges' outrage when she went out, when the power to save her had been in their hands a few minutes ago...😳
and although i quite like Baichung, and can see that he works really hard and has improved by leaps and bounds, i do agree that he has expression issues, and is not a great dancer per se, just like Karan...although Karan has the edge in terms of emoting, and to some extent, freedom of movement as well...it is another matter that their statistics tell a different story, and that is precisely where the judges have a role to play...
and the votes issue...well...it's been discussed and debated, and positively slaughtered all over this forum, with no fruitful outcome to speak of, so i'd rather not go there...but i do wish to acknowledge that i second your opinion there as well...😊
thank you for posting...it was a pleasure to read through your two cents...😊
cheers! 😃
Edited by nandinidev - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I can't agree more... Wonderful post and very true indeed!!....Bravos!!...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: xaneroyxx

I just watched the episode again..this time on tv as I had watched it online earlier. I noticed that in Baichung's performance he wasn't lipsync the lines of the song..but at times Sonia was..this if other perfomers would have done it would have been an unforgivable sin by Saroj and Vaibhavi if any of you had watched them on Nach Baliye before. (again the comments are about the judges inconsistency and not about any singling out any contestant)



lip sync is no longer a consideration in jhalak..if u noticed, even karan did not lip sync completely in his performances yesterday, and was not hauled up for it, whereas he would've been if the same folly had occured a few weeks back..but now, with the blatant exemption that they have made in baichung's case when it comes to lip sync, they cannot really point that out for other contestants, for that would a bit too glaring..hence it is an unwritten rule for all the jhalak contestants now that lip sync is not necessary, courtesy our judges..
all in all, the only thing which really struck me at the end of the show yesterday was, the level of performances and perfection that you expect in the grand finale was completely missing yesterday, with only gauhar coming close to meeting expectations.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: waterlilly

here we go again...this must be Karan's fav forum..cuz all we have in this forum is let's praise Karan and lets damn everyone else...Karan Karan and Karan...don't u girls get tired...

For all of ur sake I hope Karan does well..otherwise it will shatter a lot of u...

I am not sure I am following...how is this relevant? this post has nothing to do with Karan or any contestant in particular but everything (comprehensively) with the judges' approach towards the performances. I would appreciate if people take a minute to actually read what's written before responding selectively to other's posts.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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thank to god finaaly logon ki ankhen khulne lagi hai judges bb koo kitna favoausr karte hai yaar it has been done from starting of the show
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Posted: 16 years ago
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From what I saw tonight and several times Baichung never sings, has no expression and still gets away with accolades because of Sonia. Instead of Dancing with the star it is dancing with Sonia in this case. He is getting votes for regional reason.

Gauhar Khan is much above both guys. Between guys Karan Singh is any day better than Baichung though I like Baichung. He is totally undeserving and also gets votes based on "other" factors. It is sad to see everyone pouncing on Karan.
Why would any fan vote for someone other than their favorite? I mean why would they waste their money for some random person? If Sony channel wants unbiased votes then they should spend their own money.
Edited by Decoder - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: hope4u



lip sync is no longer a consideration in jhalak..if u noticed, even karan did not lip sync completely in his performances yesterday, and was not hauled up for it, whereas he would've been if the same folly had occured a few weeks back..but now, with the blatant exemption that they have made in baichung's case when it comes to lip sync, they cannot really point that out for other contestants, for that would a bit too glaring..hence it is an unwritten rule for all the jhalak contestants now that lip sync is not necessary, courtesy our judges..
all in all, the only thing which really struck me at the end of the show yesterday was, the level of performances and perfection that you expect in the grand finale was completely missing yesterday, with only gauhar coming close to meeting expectations.

Agreed, I think that further towards the finale a lot of technicalities are overlooked for everyone. the judges actually can and they do only when they feel like it :) whenever the judges feel like remembering such technicalities , they would arbitrarily point them out selectively to some contestants but not to others. So far, Gauhar has been the one doing a commendable job trying to keep up with lipsync, expression et all. Today's performance was truly amazing.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Very nice post !! I think you have spoekdn just like a critic !!! You have taken all the angles which should have been assesed by the jurdges to say who is the best dancer !!!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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this show is so freakin biased lyk literally so biased i cant even say.
i would say judges r so not fair come on lookin at da dance it doesnt take rocket science to figure out who is better u dont have to be a dancer or a choreographer to no dat...
hard kaur was da best performer n she got out mainly coz of da votes made her come in bottom 2 for dance off she definietely didnt deserve to go she was an awesome dancer den da judges fo pickin gauhar over her for watever reasons n den blamin karan for da whole thing n ppl voting for him ... u guys no da concept of da show about da voting den y judge a show wen u not happy wit da concept u no dat channel needs to make sum money n da only way is to have ppl vote n bydaway nobody forces u to take da judge seat u choose to do it yourself u no it is da janta who decides who da winner is not da judges .... judges r so freakin frustrated dat dey r givin karan so low points i mean hk is gone get over da fact she is gone wat dont u get??
literally wen comparin karan and baichung dance der is so much difference lyk i said it doesent take rocket science to no da difference i have watched so many non indian dance shows n also anybody else fure it out by dis judges r not makin ppl vote for karan but makin dem do it more lyk everyone say da less points he gets da more dey vote so makes no difference to his fans...
karan 1st performance was so much better which he performed on jaan ma dum den baichung's dard-e -disco der was no gud dance no expressions wat so ever n even no lip sync n still got a 37 n karan had a decent dance a gud attitude n also did da lip sync but da points he got was 23.. dont even want to watch da rest of da show makes me mad ... but seriously it is not fair lyk da other day also he deserved a full 30 wen he did da hum dum soniyo ve dance n juhi gave him a 9 tell her to come do da same thing i bet she wont even get half da way n if it was baichung who did dat dey would have given him full 30 n also probably a standing ovation ...she is a good actress but not da best dancer doin dance in da movieswit so many retakes n rehearsels is different doin it live u no it better missy ... i wish dey had atleast one professional male choreographer lyk shamak davar or ahmed khan ..
to be honest da best one over der is guahar but i guess it is her own fault for ppl disliking for creating so much drama lyk da hindi saying apna phair pa khud khuladi mari... but wen speakin about karan n baichung dance performances karan is way better den him he sure can dance better den baichung anyday.
i seriously think dat every dance should be judged by gud dancers not by votes wats da point of havin a dance show wen da deservin person doesent win if u so want money den make a show on film stars dancin den u will get more money voting for der favorite actor but not for da best dancer.... da show should by professional dancers not any film actors not dat dey cant dance but dats not wat dey r for dey r actors let dem stay dat way...

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