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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: HakkaBakka

I am Isha-Salman fan, but after reading her profile on wiki, I should also say she should not be in this show. She is a professional dancer. Show is for Dancing with Stars, not Dancing with Dancers. She should actually come as choreographer.

On top of this JDJ paired her with Salman, who himself a strong dancer and choreographer.
I am still her fan, but if anybody non-hyped, dark horse come close to her 70%, I will become his/her fan.
Leaving everything aside, we are enjoying her performance every week. Salman's creativiry is performed brilliantly by her.


This show is abt "Dancing with stars",it doesn't say that you can't be a trained dancer...see international version also,there are also many trained dancers who participate...

In indian version also,sandhya mridul & yana participated,they both r trained dancer.


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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: nishu786


This show is abt "Dancing with stars",it doesn't say that you can't be a trained dancer...see international version also,there are also many trained dancers who participate...

In indian version also,sandhya mridul & yana participated,they both r trained dancer.


Again - like I mentioned - the point of contention is not trained dancer, but professional dancer - that that does matter in terms of being in the practice of it and doing it day in day out for a living... I think many of them are trained dancers, so that does not make much of a difference..
Having said that, I dont think again there is a problem of her participating if the PH thought it was OK as a part of the rules... Everyone comes with one advantage or the other - so it is OK
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: nishu786


This show is abt "Dancing with stars",it doesn't say that you can't be a trained dancer...see international version also,there are also many trained dancers who participate...

In indian version also,sandhya mridul & yana participated,they both r trained dancer.

Nishu, It is not about trained dancer, Isha is a professional dancer, She was chosen for Kisna because of her dancing skills. I don't watch international show.. She is a lead dancer in dance academy she runs. She should be choreographer here, that is my POV... Fair competition will be when they bring professional dancers. But kahan fair hota hai.. I still support her to be this show for watching brilliant dance every week.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: HakkaBakka

I am Isha-Salman fan, but after reading her profile on wiki, I should also say she should not be in this show. She is a professional dancer. Show is for Dancing with Stars, not Dancing with Dancers. She should actually come as choreographer.

On top of this JDJ paired her with Salman, who himself a strong dancer and choreographer.
I am still her fan, but if anybody non-hyped, dark horse come close to her 70%, I will become his/her fan.
Leaving everything aside, we are enjoying her performance every week. Salman's creativiry is performed brilliantly by her.



I don't think she can be a choreographer. Being a trained dancer in some art forms doesn't make someone with knowledge of all sorts of dance forms. The choreographers on this show have knowledge of many different art forms, which Isha doesn't. So it isn't like she knows in and outs of all the dance forms to score perfect. She also needs to work hard learning new dance forms. Yes as many pointed out, she might have the stamina of a dancer and also her flexibility is a cherry on the cake. But she is also learning different dance forms and steps just like everybody else. So I don't see it being unfair. Another aspect is of voting, GC and even Gia have huge fan following, so this puts them ahead of everyone else, now how is that fair. TV actors have at least some sort of exposure and experience with dancing unlike contestants like Sanath, Susheel, Talash etc, so how is it fair to them being completely non dancers. So in such competition there will be spectrum where some on one end while other on the opposite. For example in Indian Idol, there are contestants who have trained from childhood, while there are those who might have started in their teens or even later, which makes them not being on the same level. So I guess everything is fair as long as they are on the same stage and show and chosen by the same people.
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Posted: 13 years ago

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I don't think she can be a choreographer. Being a trained dancer in some art forms doesn't make someone with knowledge of all sorts of dance forms. The choreographers on this show have knowledge of many different art forms, which Isha doesn't. So it isn't like she knows in and outs of all the dance forms to score perfect. She also needs to work hard learning new dance forms. Yes as many pointed out, she might have the stamina of a dancer and also her flexibility is a cherry on the cake. But she is also learning different dance forms and steps just like everybody else. So I don't see it being unfair. Another aspect is of voting, GC and even Gia have huge fan following, so this puts them ahead of everyone else, now how is that fair. TV actors have at least some sort of exposure and experience with dancing unlike contestants like Sanath, Susheel, Talash etc, so how is it fair to them being completely non dancers. So in such competition there will be spectrum where some on one end while other on the opposite. For example in Indian Idol, there are contestants who have trained from childhood, while there are those who might have started in their teens or even later, which makes them not being on the same level. So I guess everything is fair as long as they are on the same stage and show and chosen by the same people.

So, you think choreographer on this show has knowledge of many different forms? Even Remo and Terrence can not claim this. I can not go back and forthe on this, Although I am her fan but what my heart says is she should be contesting here. channel does what sells for them, we even compromise with those but I personally go by what I think is right.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: HakkaBakka

So, you think choreographer on this show has knowledge of many different forms? Even Remo and Terrence can not claim this. I can not go back and forthe on this, Although I am her fan but what my heart says is she should be contesting here. channel does what sells for them, we even compromise with those but I personally go by what I think is right.



Ofcourse, we just have to agree to disagree. But I am not sure why you would think these choreographers don't have knowledge of different dance forms. How are they choreographing or judging different dance forms from Salsa to rumba to Samba to others. I mean I don't have much information on what goes behind the scene, but from the way they talk and choreograph, to me it seems like they know what they are doing. May be they aren't the masters in all the dance forms, but they definitely seem to know many dance forms. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-



Ofcourse, we just have to agree to disagree. But I am not sure why you would think these choreographers don't have knowledge of different dance forms. How are they choreographing or judging different dance forms from Salsa to rumba to Samba to others. I mean I don't have much information on what goes behind the scene, but from the way they talk and choreograph, to me it seems like they know what they are doing. May be they aren't the masters in all the dance forms, but they definitely seem to know many dance forms. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I said wrongly that they dont have knowledge, I was to say expertise. One can have knowledge of multiple dance forms but can not be expert in all. Same goes with Isha too, she is expoer of few form but I am sure has knowledge of other forms. She is running dance academy and is lead dancer. She may be more knowledgeable than Salman. Salman is not a professional dancer, he knew very form, contemporary was not his forte at all, but know he directed/performed some beautiful contemporary with Isha.
I would love if some channel bring dancing show of professional dancers and in that Isha compete. That will be real treat. Her presence in this show is mutually good for both channel and Isha. Channels need pure dancing contestant and Isha needs exposer for her career. How many of us knew about her before this show. I think she was the least known contestant before this show. I heard her name because of her linking to Zaheer Khan but never took pain to look for her images etc. But dont take me wrong, I am watching this show because of her dancing and Salman. Lekin haqeeqat jo hai usse moonh nahin pher sakta.
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Posted: 13 years ago
Ok after reading some posts on last couple of pages.. I am coming to terms with this "professional dancer" aspect.. yes maybe that gives Isha an edge over others. But I seriously don't know where she stands votes wise 😕 Let's assume it's Isha and someone else with obvious voting power (not taking any name here so I should be good😆) in the finale and both perform really well. Who will lift the trophy? Can we surely say that it will be Isha? No.. we can't even say for sure that she will be guaranteed to reach finals in spite of having such exceptional abilities. So it gets balanced out for me in the end 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
@tannipartner: Thanks for agreeing with me on the arduous process of getting back into form. It sucks, doesn't it? Anyway. I guess my point is, that Isha does absolutely deserve all the hype because she is technically flawless, and the stuff she presents on stage is above and beyond what many have seen on such a platform. However, my one issue remains that she completely skews the competition and makes judging very difficult, even for judges who seem to pull scores out of nowhere. Point is, while Jayati might be better than say Darsheel one week, and worse the next, Isha will always be the best. If she doesn't win, the whole competition will look rigged, but then she might not get the maximum votes, so in the end the PH are discrediting their own product when it becomes clear that people are only voting for their favourites. Where is the competition when it is so unquestionably obvious she is the best dancer?

@NoComments: I have an issue with the PH for choosing a contestant like this, and I think it comes from their complete ignorance of real dance and real dancers in India (if you are interested you can read my complete angry rant on page 8 😆). I have a feeling they thought Isha was a small time actress, who happened to be a trained dancer, and did not fathom the depth and breadth of her existing work. The thing with Isha, is that I think she is the only contestant for whom things do not even out more or less, where the rest of the contestants do with their advantages and disadvantages. Because she is such a better dancer, she still comes out a head and shoulder above the rest, which is why I remain confused, on an ethical front, as to her role in the competition. Of course it is too late to do anything about this now...what is done is done so we might as well sit back and enjoy the quality dancing! 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
I don't think she's over-hyped. I think she stiffens the competition and motivates everyone to keep working harder. I think she and many other celebs this season have an unfair advantage over the complete non-dancers and the judges are def not keeping that in mind. But she's a brilliant dancer and performer compared to the rest of them and her true competition is GC b/c he gets the most votes and is currently getting 30s too.

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