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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52



honestly, indu,

i have factored in the lead actor missing... but even that does not justify what is coming at us. as creative people you are often asked to work with handicaps... of all sorts. in most long running shows leads take breaks, in ekta shows i believe it happens regularly. here, the actor was available for shoot sporadically. and every time he was here, he gave it his utmost.

and because barun went away, they wrote prithvi detective the way they did... or masala mama... or forget the story, the level of direction, of pace, everything... only because lead went away for a while?

i believe there was more to this. some chaos behind the scenes. and yet, i know this was not right, nothing justifies this. the writing had started losing its way soon after temple wedding... but now i am seeing pretty bad direction, really like rookies are doing the whole thing.

this was supposed to be khushi and asr's story, had khushi not been around, would we have seen such a mess?


and what's this about wanting to harm you? nahiiin, we are ramanchi buddies... you call him devastatingly suave, hollywoodish... you mope for them as much as i do... we have haq to scream and say what we believe.

Indi, thank you for the honest inputs..appreciate much.

It may have happened in other ekta shows, but not sure if they are full fledged love stories with just two characters as their trump cards for many months now. The later fact is both a boon and bane for IPK.. as there are NO alternate tracks. It worked like a charm as the viewer saw nothing but two stunning faces and their emotions.. a melodious uninterrupted recital.. but becos of that when the actor was absent there was NO fall back..
Channel may not be aware, who cares only for the revenues a show garners to make a call for the next 1/2 months, but the makers who created these characters, and this story knew very well that without him this show is doomed. There was tremendous creative effort early on, if we saw a guest house, teej, nainital, Diwali.. there were creative meetings for single scene... and the results were obviously top class. Director Lalit mohan and creative editor Megha S kumar were sent off post Holi and the drop in quality is horrendous. This Megha lady literally slept on sets initially, she was mentioned in many off screen segments too. Why the makers had to disturb that equilibrium of a fine working team who ever was doing what ever task?
Whether the lead actor wanting to let him go since Feb had an impact on the interest of the makers, hence the quality of the tracks or not, but when ever that topic comes, the fact that he did want to leave too at the same time peeps from behind and doesn't let me choose.
There would have been no way to carry the show even with masala mama kind of fillers if Khushi were to be absent, becos asr as a character wouldn't get into implausible ventures like Khushi, he would have called cops the next day and she would have been home..
As I lay eyes on other soaps, realize this kind of incredibly unsubstantial tracks are norm in desi soaps and glad that my IPK was immune to them atleast for 10 months..
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

i also think a huge gap in writing was the fact that not enough and adequate thought had been given to the character of khushi.

they spent time on writing her initial sketch, the opening episodes... but where this character would go once the story got going, in different situations... no real thinking there.

seemed all their energies were exhausted thinking asr.

which is why we have things that don't feel right in the delineation of female lead... equally important in a real love story.

that ott was off. suicide? huh?

this rona dhona is off.

later her reaction to shyam and bringing him back. maha off.

and all that no sex please we are achhi bahu... barun was not missing then, so who are we to blame for that travesty.

paternity test? lauki bhaji assault? peon? mrs india? diwali pataka is good for you? who is this person?

key thing: they did not think through khushi.

if they had... none of all this nonsense might have happened.

your story hinges on one character. who is that fair to... if you are writing a love story and not the amar kahani of asr.

if it is the latter and hero went missing i can get your problem... but heroine is here na, it is a love story... would she be doing what you show her doing? and why does it all feel wrong. yes there are fascinating inspired moments, but no continuity, no fluid falling in place of a character.

on the other hand, if khushi went missing... i bet writers knew exactly what asr would do... and it would all work.

because they knew that character... not his counterpart. not khushi.

that was the ultimate ramanchi.

now i need some real bhang.

and anyway, they ditched even asr finally, so please may i have the whole pitcher of the cannabis stuff.

to my sweet asr khushi, may you live long and we all drink in peace.



Indi
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big hugs and muaahs for that in red altho u meant it sarcastic...
Oh the writers didn't know this girl.. and they admitted to it.. no direction to where it would go..
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Posted: 11 years ago
i was just going to go into a long thingummy about why i thought what i thought, when a husky voice said, "shut up, indi."

i just had to.

all said and done, this man made ipk ipk for me. and yes khushi as she was did too. but really it was this guy. and i do believe ipk deserved to be treated better than it was by its makers.

now he says, "get out."

okay, gone.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52



hello, bhang girl,

i have to agree with you that asr was not entirely written. and i know not much, just what i feeleth as i watcheth.

in fact i have chatted with indu on this earlier... yes the young actor involved, despite the 30/40 takes mentioned of the early days, interpreted powerfully... but i get the feeling they took cues from that and grew with him too...

by episode 24, between barun and i must give it to this... his dialogues... and yes the direction, they have created a full character whom you almost know instinctively.

and i do like the character they painted in their heads too, it was always shaded. but no, it did not have the scale nor depth that barun's acting and teh very intensity of his being brought to it. he was to be mills and boon not some mythic (almost) figure that women write reams about and fantasize about at a level almost scary for all concerned.

khushi in the initial days is enchanting... but i have no idea when exactly, they just stopped feeling her. her look, feel, mind, words, everything was so gorgeous... different. of course that they had had to choose a very metro very non lucknow girl with flowing bone structure and a natural inborn sophistication created a delightful contrast with the middle class set image, and made khushi more. beauty of it... she was second choice, ah kismet.

she cut across... any guy, who happens to catch sight of her, mainly of course because his wife is obsessed with the show, is known to fall for the girl. the strictly not hindi serial type man i live with never forgets to say, oh sanaya irani is very good. i even know girls who started watching for her, not for him and then the inevitable happened.

i suspect, however, she was always the "support" character... often used to bring out nuances of his personality... i seem to remember barun saying somewhere that like in all our dramas, the male character is the main one. he ha ha maybe he doesn't watch hindi serials so has no idea about the cloying and cruelly bent to shape to suit patriarchal fantasy type of female "protagonists" tv doles out incessantly.

but you could be abs right... and yeah, they preserved all their energies to write prithvi detective agency, masala mama, babli, paternity test, sheetal, basketball, and other such rare delights. 😆

dumbed down. at last i come to what hit me most when i read your nahiiin.

that was the thing.

total dumbing down. to a point that even dumbing down sharmaoed.

amazing how anyone can start where they did... and end at 398. mystery shall remain unsolved.



My two cents altho I have already said enough..
I thought the reason why asr was written more detailed initially was becos he was darker than a devil in that office, there was a NEED to justify this character focusing on his vulnerabilities and inner turmoils before viewers shun him as a hero for this girl...more screen space, more details into what all he felt ..
There was no need felt to justify Khushi except for now and then getting confused as to why she can't get away from this rakshas..
For me asr character wouldn't have worked without all his regrets which are all written, but what barun brought to the plate apart from the acting.. I may sound absolutely shallow... are his drop dead gorgeous looks and that voice that does things .. there are male leads whose voice is so jarring that it is a major put off. Barun acted with his voice as much as with face if not more.. another actor wouldn't be able to do that with the same script..
The time when asr's character took over khushi's was when he broke off with La, exactly the time when Khushi's sank post shyam revelation..
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Posted: 11 years ago

Oh he says to me too... "shut up and get into work"

Let me stop this bheja fry..
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Posted: 11 years ago
^^^

indu,

me the most shallow.

oh yes, those looks, which had been perfectly groomed for the asr look...

his walk was all awkward and jerky initially, then he got into the rhythm, nicely.

a thin not too tall guy but oh what stature.

and you must be knowing this... the voice was considered a handicap by his director in baat... and perhaps it was, a bit raspy, not big baritone or whatever is considered "male", and this is why i admire this young actor, worked on it and turned it into an absolute advantage... plays with it so adroitly.

he worked very hard to create asr as he has said himself and lalit mohan spoke of those many takes in the initial episodes... but he had asr in him i think, he got this character beyond the brief.

excites me to hear him say it is difficult to do asr... to do any character.


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Posted: 11 years ago
What a conversation!
Internet issues and a wedding in the family is preventing me from participating!!!!!
My two cents, my thinking is more in line with isskiya's. From what I've seen, our tv tends to be very female oriented and from a female point of view. So I think khushi's was the more important (i don't know if i'm making any sense!)character to start with and ASR the khadoos she'll save from a place in hell. I think its the sheer interpretation that got us hooked. And of course the early episodes were good in every way. Looks, what is that?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😆
P.S: My amma behind me to have breakfast, shower...Me long long past the age to be told to do these things! I guess you're never too told for your parents!!!!😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
^^^

ha ha me still chasing my 13 year old for everything... she hates it, as she should.

okay i seriously have no idea what they set out to do... all i know is which character hit me in the gut... and does so har baar.

here's a bit of an interview with the lead writer ved raj... interesting what he said.

"The story was supposed to be passionate rightly as the title suggested it was to convey the line" Nafrat door jaane na de, Mohabbat paas aane na de." What I had in mind is not what is shown today, and what is shown was not in my mind. Having said that the basic concept remains the same. A stubborn egoistical man and a goofy girl, but the nuances of the characters keeps changing. We never thought so much humour would work but when it did we brought more of that in. When intense scenes are required, we do that too. So basically not all has changed but improvising here and there happens all the time."

"question: It is hard to even believe at some level that a man like Arnav who claimed to be off woman and love would succumb to a relationship tag.


ved: No, that's not the case. We didn't want to stick to the cliche of TV shows where a character is shown off love and woman, that was not our concept. Arnav has no problem with Lavanya and the friendship they share. Its just that he is in a denial mode where subconsciously he is already in love with Khushi and hence denies being in love with Lavanya."

the guy, a pretty young writer who has studied engineering and is adept at handling channel and production house, was writing five shows at the same time... he keeps mentioning his team and how they work meeting daily and delegating and stuff... definitely a core of heartlessness to the whole thing. commercial writing in its most profit oriented guise. cut chop prune change chuck as per needs of trp. money is the main lead always, the antagonist, protagonist comic relief everything.

in a situation like that what can one expect.

i suspect we feel more for asr and khushi than their writers or producers ever did... may sound harsh, but just look at us... while how nicely gh said,
"kitni naughty hoti hain yeh ladkiyan," or whatever when they changed khushi's age. yeah, just like that...

but i did like one writer's input consistently... hitesh kevaliya and his team gave us beautiful telling dialogues, to my mind one of the toughest things to write. yes there was improvisation, but they crafted the basic stuff...

this chat started when i disagreed that the going away of male lead for a break, (with intermittent appearances which was never highlighted by production house, instead creating panic everywhere with who knows how long this man will be away) was not the cause of the madness of these current episodes. had they thought through khushi better they might have found better solutions... i still do believe that.

deep need of bhang.



"What I had in mind is not what is shown today, and what is shown was not in my mind.
Having said that the basic concept remains the same."

i am gazing at the line transfixed and thinking hai re bhoolbhulaiya... of course the story had to start in lucknow... and what basic concept, you guys had also called the same tale, vaidehi, hadn't ya?





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this is an amazing gif I found in tumblr. Take some time to watch.

credit goes to the maker.


Episode-255

Not Khushi, but Anjali kept her hand on Shyam's shoulder. Shyam keeps the paper hastily in his pocket saying her that it's about his work. Anjali becomes sullen as he didn't come for the poja and now thinking about his work. Khushi also comes there right then, who looks at Shyam with resentment. They all go for the aarti.

In front of shiv's idle Khushi only prays for her Arnavji's safety, but nothing else. She does not even pray for herself. She prays him to tell Arnav to come soon. Cause she is ...she can't utter the words what she tethered in the subconscious realm of her mind and that is she is missing him like crazy and can't live without him. Her heart convulses with pain remembering him. She also requests the god not to tell DM that she is praying to him. DM may get angry on her as she is her bestest buddy.

Her childlike mind reflects in her pray.

Khushi is in consternation about the lost papers. She is whirling in her muddle thought, if shyam doesn't have the paper, then where is it? Shyam must've removed those papers from the briefcase; he must have anticipated khushi's suspicion. She is very much aware of his knavery and avidity. She is precarious as well, whether she lost the papers some where else or not. Without this papers she won't be able to prove her innocence.

In AR's London office, the stuffs are worried for ASR, how a punctilious man like ASR missed such important meeting. A guy from the hotel lets them know that ASR even didn't check in the hotel room. All became more panicked for him.

Khushi is by the eternal heaven of Arnav, the pool side, still infused in Arnav's thought. She is sullen cause he didn't call her. she thinks, he at least should call di. She reprimands her, why she is expecting from him? After all he doesn't care anybody. "Arnav singh Raizadase berukhi ki ilawa aur kya umeed kar sakte hai."...khushi is trying to assuage her tumultuous mind.

She again sees the message in her phone. But she contemplates the matter, why did he message her? He never did such thing before. Or moreover when he left he was mad at her.

Mami is incredulous about Babli's staccato behavior. Masala mama also tells her that he saw a chotise, nuttysi, chubbysi girl was running around in the temple and some red color was smeared on her hand. Mami is in bafflement, if this girl was Babli then what she was doing! Manoroma band with her assistant masala will invhastigate this matter for sure.


To mollify her disquiet mind, khushi starts to make jalebi. She is making jalebi after a long time. Arnav's message is open in front of her. her mind is completely occupied with his thought only. She again rebukes her to think about him. He just messaged her, not talked to her. Her heart races in remembrance of their first meeting when she fell on his arm. And then with the ghost of pain gnawing at her heart she recalls his departure in the airport. Their first and last meeting both indelible memories make her heart heavy.

"my dream! Why I'm thinking of him so much? Somewhere something is wrong."

She daunts about her dream what she saw last night and senses the peril. Her eyes get turbid with sadness.

She again reprimands her to think positive and concentrate on jalebi. "An empty brain is a devil workshop."...she has to avert her formidable thought from her mind.

Khushi brings pile of jalebis on the table. Nani jeers, if whole day she eats jalebi, still she won't be able to finish them. Khushi gets embarrassed and says she just felt and made. Anjali quips, "felt to make or wanted to occupy your mind?"

khushi's moist hazel eyes flickers and reflects her inner turmoil. She knows why she made the jalebis.

Nani feels that there is less sugar in the jalebis. Khushi says, unknowingly she made the jalebis without sugar, as Arnav eats sugar free jalebi. Shyam roils to hear this, he can't see divulge of khushi's love and feelings for Arnav. So he says in a quick repartee, why she had to make sugar free jalebis, where saale sahab is not here? Anjali banters,

"What if, chottey is not here, but she can make it in his remembrance."

Her raw emotion spurts out at anjali's words. she can't remain in the faade of happiness any more. She runs inside her room to thwart a rising wave of emotions. Payal wants to go to comfort her sister, but nani admonishes her. nani knows how much Arnav's memory is torturing her! She thinks it's better to leave her alone.

When everybody was enjoying Khushi's delicious jalebi, babli didn't go unnoticed by masala mama. He remembers, she is that chotisi, chubbysi girl whom he saw in the temple. The red color is still there in her dress. Mami becomes more suspicious. When Babli hears that Akash is telling Payal to iron his shirt, she concocts another ploy against Payal. Mami and masala mama follows her. They have to observe her every moves.

Mami and masala mama are contemplating everything about Babli's suspicious activities. mami got a black board to write and brought the sindoor smeared sweets, Payal's cut pics and the broken phone also. Mami also keeps the binocular as her investigation material.

Khushi comes to her room and locks the door. She needs isolation to abate the clamor of her heart. She completely lost her self control and copious tears streams down from her alabaster cheek. She reminisces the first time she fed him jalebi when he was wilting without sugar.. The first feed from her hand was his life saver. For me that jalebi was her lips and he kissed her lips for the first time on that day.

"why she made sugar free jalebi? Where he is not here!" Her heart constricts with excruciating pain.

While keeping her clothes in the cupboard a pearl string of her dress tears, make the pearls scatter on the floor. The scattered pearls stir her memory and take her on the day when she first met him. that day he tore her pearl dori to snatch away her dignity.

Tu hi bata plays on the BG depicts her inner turmoil.

She remembers, she met him on the road and Arnav gave her money with a derisive smile to fix her scooty.

Since the day she met him, her life took a turn towards an unknown destination. So many times she wanted to move away from his life, but destiny kept throwing them together. And slowly, stealthily and unknowingly she implicated with him so viscerally that it's not possible to breach the relationship. On the other hand the trust between them is like a gossamer fine what breaks in a mere wind. Her despondent mind succumbs in the memories what she cocooned in the sacrosanct place of her heart. In soliloquy she expresses her feelings with constrict voice and with suppressed emotions. From sheesh mahal to airport, she ebbs in the memories of her turbulent journey with him.

kuch rishte ajeeb hi dor mein bandhe hote hai...

some relationships are tied by a strange thread.


takrar se shuru hote hai; nafrat ke saaye mein panapte hai

start with conflict; grow in the shades of loathe

girte hai parte hai lekin kayem rehte hai

they fall, they crash, but they remain

nafrat badti jati hai aur rishte ki gaath aur gheri hoti jaati hai

the hatred keeps on growing and the snarl of relationship becomes even more stronger.

itni. ki ek din nafrat bhi aur barne se sharma jati hai,

so much, that one day even the hate shies away from growing further.


aur woh rishta sirf ek bandhan ban ke reh jati hai.

and that relationship remains only as a bond.


lekin sirf nafrat ka.

But a bond of hatred only.

kabhi kabhi aisa lagta hai jaise nafrat ke iss mahal mein kuch toh hai

sometimes it feels there is something in this air of hate,


jo humse kehta hai ki, iss ansuni, aanjani si, ankahe se ehsaas ko
ek mauqa toh do

that says to me, give a chance to this unheard, unknown, unspoken feelings.

par jis rishte ki niv hi nafrat par rakhi hui ho usse kuchh bhi umeed lagana nadani nahin toh kya hota hai?

it's foolishness, but nothing else to expect something from this relationship whose root is hatred

aur shayad yeh nadani hum kar baithe

and perhaps i did this foolishness.


varna kyu itne nafrat ke bawajud hume aap ki yaad aa rahi hai?

otherwise why in spite of so much loathe, I'm thinking of you?

kyu hum aap se larte hain, jhagarte hain, lekin apke jaane ke baad aap hi ki rah dekhte hain,

I fight and quarrel with you, but why i am longing for your return after you left.

hawao se baatein karte hain

talking with the winds about you.

All the images that imprinted in her mind with heart rending, soul searing clarity, float to her, one by one like rain drops falling on parched earth.

She landed on his arm in the fashion show. His shocking gaze veered from her eyes to her lips with raw passion.

He tore the pearl string of her dress to snatch away her dignity;

He saved her in the guest house when nobody heard her plea, but he did.

He made her traffic control in the rainy night. But warding her also and saved her from a running car. In the heavy rain he lifted her drenched body in his arm and for a while didn't let her go.

On the teez day in the mandir, he also saved her from falling when she fainted and carried her in his arm like a fragile doll.

She called him loose character and in rage he tweaked her towards him made her body crushed against him.

Gradually he became close to her and she also felt a strange pull towards him. She knew her heart beats erratically in front of him, but she couldn't dare to give it a name of love.

And one day he compelled her to marry him for six months. She didn't know the reason, but on that day she was bewildered at the unfairness of her destiny.

On their bali in delhi honeymoon, he danced with her in spite of his abhorrence, but still his eyes were murky with desire for her.

And one day he revealed the reason of his loathe for her, mortified her soul completely. She tried so hard to prove her innocence. But he left without listening her plea. She recollects how he extricated his hand from her grip to go far away.

In the wake of this realization, there raged a tempest in her mind, which impended to throw thoughts, values, morality, emotions and every thing else that stood in it's meander, into a chaos. Only one thought, reigned supreme over the inner conflict ravaged landscape..."I can't live without you."


during Arnav's absence shyam is trying all his dirty tricks to come close to Khushi. When anjali was taking food to Khushi's room,, shyam chides her for not taking her medicine. She sent her to take rest and wanted to go to Khushi's room with food. Anjali agrees, as she is hoodwinked by his guileful words. Anjali tells him to be careful with her as she is upset nowadays.

When shyam comes in the threshold of Khushi's room, she sternly tells him to get out. But the creep gets in forcefully. Her anger pulsates to see his effrontery. Shyam tells her if she doesn't eat, he will also not eat. The rogue wishes to feed her by his hand. Khushi abominates to hear his cagey words. she eats a bit in fulminating anger. She adds lots of pepper in the daal and tells him to eat.

"you have to eat. Plz don't say no."

Shyam eats the whole bowl of pepper mixed daal and wipes his mouth in resentment,

"aapki liye humari chahat ko koi chunoti maat dijiye, aap haar jayegi hamesha ki tarah. Let me go."

Khushi rankles to hear his morbid thought.

ignore typos plz

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@Indi,

I just want this man.Hume aur kuch nahi chahiye.
Mind blowing editof the teez scene.
How handsome my man was during that time!
Barun as ASR...just take my breath away. I'm falling in love with him more and more.
thanks for sharing the snippet of ved raj's interview. when did he give this interview?

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