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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: wiwy

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Okay as far as the riddle goes, thanks Indi, Durga, Arshi, Chalhov, for turning it into a rain song and dance! Thankgod, BD and Sohara haven't attempted it or they would have connected it to dandiya straight away! 😃
But yes, there is a word 😉 in the answer with a double meaning. Explore that! 😃Aakash felt hurt and cried, stupid of him to! 😃
Now try to remember the riddle is not only checking your GK on IPK, but expects you to think on a different tangent. Okay?! All the best!👍🏼
I think I have given too much away😭

Ah, so it is Akash himself crying and no sky and rain. Thanks for clearing that. Wiwy, where are you leading us decent ladies into, the world of double-meaning and you want us to explore it? 😲 Kalyug, ghor kalyug! Ok, for your sake, we'll try that also.
So, Akash cried and he was being stupid for doing that. Well, he was really upset when Mami refused to agree to his marriage to Payal. He was upset when Payal did not tell him about Shyam, but he didn't cry but was angry. He was upset with Payal's chameli ka tel, but he sneezed, didn't cry. Ok, he did cry at the time of Anjali's miscarriage, but so did everyone else, nothing stupid in that. He cried during his last scene (but everyone was crying in real, again nothing stupid about it). Akash, mere bhai, when did u cry, bro?
Well, don't know about Akash, but Akshay surely cried many times for the lack of development in his role. Wiwy, 2 days more. I have thinked, thinked and will keep on thinkeding and get some answer. Nahin chodenge... 😳
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akash crying renouncing the world mami dream
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Indi, this is one of my most favourite IPK moments, Khushi's tear. I loved how even she didn't realize what was happening and left both of them shocked. Pure magic !
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: chalhov

Episode 88 BE HAPPY ALWAYS ( KHUSH RAHE TUM SADA)

FOR YOUR HAPPINESS, FOR YOUR TEARS

Bhula Denge Tumko Sanam Dheere Dheere
I'll forget you my love, slowly,slowly

Na jee sakein yahan, na mar sakein yahan
I can't live here, nor can I die

Hasne ki baat chhoro, na ro sakein yahan
forget laughing, I can't even cry

To jaaye hum kahan, to jaaye hum kahan
now where do I go, where do I go?




touching. chalhov, beautiful visuals and i like the stylish repeating. must listen to the song. words are beautiful, the first line has that killer element.
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Posted: 12 years ago

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Indi, this is one of my most favourite IPK moments, Khushi's tear. I loved how even she didn't realize what was happening and left both of them shocked. Pure magic !



hi harichandana,
lovely to see you here. it is really writing at another level... in my opinion that is 😳. sometimes even in very carefully and intelligently movies, and plenty of those these days, i don't get such a moment. did you see special 26? it had a couple of scenes that had that ephemeral thing. the man woman interplay.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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YOU HAVE SEEN MY HUMBLE SIDE. TRUST ME YOU WON'T LIKE THE OTHER...

Episode 88

Navratri -----Part 3

Scared or Sacred ,...Traumatized or clouded LOVELY COLLAGE AND THE WAY YOU STARED what expressions of a troubled mind quite a trubulence underneath the hard mask exterior which really slips with khushi around.

This confused and bewildered look is clouding his judgment and he is seeing that "other woman" in Khushi's eyes .Why? Why he said,"kum se kum tumhari tarah jhoot bolne ki aur doosron keh samne acha bane ki acting tou nahin karta"[At least I don't lie or act like you in front of people] Who is referring to here?His father or that"other woman".

What ever happened in those moments kind a stayed still in that scream which is making it hard for him to separate Khushi from that"other woman"?.It will be Khushi and her smile which will pull him out of this vortex regardless of its strong roots which are hard to remove from its ground of HATE [as Dadi will be back] but these will be dead without pulling because of the strength of LOVE[his mother + Khushi]. What a explanaton

Arnav,"Kyuon uske aansoo mujhe pareshan kar rahe hain...Kyuon mein use rota huwa nahin dekh sakta"[Why her tears are making me uneasy ?...Why can't I see her crying] This is his weakness and her smile is his strength.He knows she is innocent but his clouded mind can't make a clear judgment but his heart is pulling towards of this vortex of LOVE[Khushi+his mother].Her words are like "marham" for his wounded heart but his mind "Dammit" is in constant clashing war with his self imposed beliefs as "aap ne khabi bhi un se pyar kya bhi tha...[did you ever loved her]He closed his eyes to set himself free for her tears for once at least but he can't.The reverberation of her words reminds him her existence in his life just like these plants.

Yes his love he is slowly nuturing in the inner recess of his heart which will one day germinate and be visible to others but for now even he is not aware

PONDERING MOMENT:Whatever happened in these moments its did shake him as La's departure is sad for him too,he did not make any commitment but still they have a relationship and they both were comfortable with that.At the top Khushi's entrace is getting deeper in him as her pains and smiles are taking over his heart and brain.Even Akash felt his brother's pain too.

Pause here:Her tears are always sacred to him unintentionally or intentionally and he accepts that on Bachelor's night.

Again a lovely collage

Khushi selfless cookie ,"Why Arnavji and La pay the price of her fault"..Which fault dear? The one which your tears already did or the one which you are going to do to set those tears free for him again.She is bringing his mother in this matter[Plants as his mother"ub issi keh sahare unko manyenge{I wil make him convince through this}] to help her to convince her son to stop La or in other words His mother along with DM is pulling their strings to come close through La.Just magnificent!!!

Pause here:She sells her mother's bangles and no one knew it...uhhh

Symbolism and connection: Bangles are round like # 0 which shapes like an egg meaning seed.It is going to seed this feeling of possessiveness and jealousy unintentionally in her while seeing them together.

Had he same thought even before reading this again a lovely collage showing Khushi's feelings

Arnav is here to set himself free for her smile and look at his changing expressions of his eyes while seeing Khushi's smile which brings smile on his face.It is evident today he is here for her not for La but La is the reason he will be near to her and that's why I left you with 86-87 with this pondering thought What will he do for her smile...The answer is here...in this scene.

what will he do for her smile?

He is embracing her smile as he always imaging Khushi whenever he is with La and this is one of those moments.His smile is adorable while seeeing Khushi smile as he gor his wish of his unsaid prayer.

Connecting Dots:He always embraces La while thinking of Khushi.After Hospital hug which is my fav

Pause here:Here is the significance and symbolism of Navratri [as I explained in 86-87]Khushi's transformation towards a woman starts here .from Durga till Kali and Arnav is the main reason behind all of this because he brings woman out of Khushi as Khushi brings Arnav out of ASR.Khushi's Dhak Dhak starts taking shape which will make her realize her true feelings for Arnav but after lots of Khushism and sillism.

Yes thats what I thought

The moment his arms wraps her smile while embracing La her tears embrace her along with Sad Raba Ve and at the top its beyond in her control which is more confusing for her.But what is this ,why is she crying ...Why these tears again?He is completely addled and perplexed by seeing her like that and at the top she is in the same state or may be worse than him.Their eyes meets with all the unsaid emotions then She can't face him anymore so leaves with her disconcerted thoughts leaving him with flustered than ever.

Arnav brings La back home ,everyone is happy but Naniji as she already sensed and asked Mamiji about their secret plan to bring La.Shyam calmed her down for Navratri Puja. Arnav's expressions change in the La's response"ASR did not let me go"hmmm ,...Don't go over there sweet heart you have no clue about his and Khushi equation but soon you will start realizing it.

Love this parallel scene two families are busy in Puja.In GH parents's proud their both daughters are joining em in this sacred puja.Bauji and his love and affection towards them made my heart heavy as this father is going to face a lot for saving em.Even Garima admires and respect this man's heart which always reach out for them.

He calls today to find out about Rani Sahiba but our Slither is hissing with his moves two feet ahead as he managed doing deal with "RANI SAHIBA" to make this old guy roam around circles with his sacred mission for his daughters.Today he proved to me a complete Psycho with a complete alibi as She said "Why do you enjoy playing these games with your friends?" means this is not the first time he did that.His BG music is intensifying his character more dark these days.

Pause here:In future this woman blacks mail him too when Khushi finds his truth at the top of terrace.

Loved the happy family times in both houses

Another parallel scene which is the beginning of realizing feelings for each others.If she can't forget his embrace and her tears ,he can't forget her reaction and tears but both don't know the reason.WHY?????

She is unble to recognise her 1st feelings of jealously but later on the bachelors night party she will voice her feelings and he thinks now what am I not doing what you want

Khushi,"hum preshan kyuon hain ,,,Akhir humare kehne phe tou...humain tou kush hone chahiye...aur jab woh dono saath...[Why am I worry...after he did because I ask for it...but when they were both together...]

Bingo the seed of possessiveness and jealousy is planted in her head as the #0 like her bangles round .Our Dhak Dhak started.First step towards Maturity ... being woman.

Shyam's is seeding another thought in Khushi...hey cupid this is the only reason I spare you these days."Khabi Khabi hum kissi chees ko duniya jahan mein dhondte rehte hain ..aur wog hoti humare ankhon keh samne hai..[Sometimes we seek things everywhere but can't find it right infront of us..]

Khushi's mind is kind a froze at that moment with La and Arnav togetherness"Why am I remembering that over and over and why am I worrying over it?" This is eating her ,Now you feel this...how Arnav couldn't sleep since the day you came into his life ,how is the taste of your own medicine Temptalicious!Nahhh...you are not there yet...

Pause here:While standing there this comes twice as # 2 is sexual tension fits on her this time though she does not have a clue.AT the top she forgot twice first Coconut and then Tea.and then two friends acc to Payal.

Lovely symbolis of coconut

Symolism and connection:Coconut is known to be a religiously symbolic fruit for three reasons.
It has three parts - skin, pulp and water; all three are taken to be of purest form.
The fruit is at a great height and is pure of any impurities or pollution.
The pulp is spotless white; white is regarded a color of purity and piousness spotless. It is healthy and full of oil.
The water is also healthy and nectar like pure.
And, the raw fruit has three eyes like openings at the top of it which resembles to eyes of Gods Shiva Vishnu and Mahesh meaning fulfilling our desires.

In Chinese it refers togetherness

So connection is Khushi's desires for her Rajkumar will be fulfilled and it will also promote togetherness among both of them with some tangy flavor.She will also be the source to remove impurity of Shyam's evilness.But she will also remove impure thoughts of Arnav's beliefs.

Connecting Dots:During remarriage we also see Coconuts in Arnav's hand and Mamiji wants him to hit Khushi with that.Ahem Ahem and we had SR before the marriage as he did hit that on Khushi's head

Khushi wants to know what is wrong with her and tries to seek answer from Payal that why seeing some one makes you laugh and smile at the same time...but Shyam over hears her convo and asks her to find out about "Dhak Dhak" near that guy...He is really a Shatir Sly .He is thinking that its all about Him..uhhh.. keep dreaming you Dumbo Jumbo Slitherimbo...You and teaching Love lessons ..wow

"Kawa chala huns ki chal apni chal bhi bhool gayea"....as I said .His BG score is getting stronger these days ...

In RM...After morning Puja.Arnav comes down but Mamiji is right his train does not stop for every station and La's entry will not change anything in his life either .Anjali keep your suspicious the first one "may be" he will get mary with La and Akash Bitwa plz don't spend time on Bahi's llove life and dig in your Dupatta wali.Naniji is skeptical about that too because she is a mother and knows her kid as she is older and wiser than most of you.She does give permission for cleaning Mandir to la but La forgets Rose water and at he top she messed up with Tulsi pot.

Pause here:Today Arnav refused getting Tilak but will be doing in future and yes during Swami track Khushi will give him the most sexy Tilak ever.

Symbolism and connection:Tulsi as coconut has the same meaning "purity "and it is also used as Tusi Vivah and The meaning of the word marriage is the merging and oneness of the embodied soul (jiva) and God (Shiva).

Rose water is also has the same meaning purity.Each epi used couple of things towards common significance.Connection is same as above for coconut.

Where did Tulsi go????and Why????

MOMENT OF THE DAY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJhyxcrLXME

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJhyxcrLXME[/YOUTUBE]

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Lovely explanation with depth and deep symbolism no wonder La never wants Khushi to leave till she is married to her ASR which will never happen and she will be the one to leave with dignity Khushi always pulls out of her scrapes and mamiji promises butnever delivers Loved the creations and the moment of the day loved all the underlined portions my comments in bold

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: wiwy

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Okay as far as the riddle goes, thanks Indi, Durga, Arshi, Chalhov, for turning it into a rain song and dance! Thankgod, BD and Sohara haven't attempted it or they would have connected it to dandiya straight away! 😃
But yes, there is a word 😉 in the answer with a double meaning. Explore that! 😃Aakash felt hurt and cried, stupid of him to! 😃
Now try to remember the riddle is not only checking your GK on IPK, but expects you to think on a different tangent. Okay?! All the best!👍🏼
I think I have given too much away😭



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wiping tears. not of the khushi kind, since no asr hugging sauten in front of me, this is the genuine rofling and dying kind. but wiwy, you got to be an equal opportunity riddle master, i want sohara, bd, all and some dandiya too.

amader dabi...

okay your hints leave me feeling dumber still. no clue. the word "stupid" is now like that lone tear in 88. completely perplexing. at some point dm will give buddhi and i will see that what i search for high and low is right before my eyes. till then, here i lie, in the state of duh.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52


episode 88


a tear.

today that one single tear that came from where who knows, yet we all do, the tear is in me. it came from a place within, glistened on the edge of her eye and rolled down visible clearly to him, before she knew of its coming or its catching the light and flowing down a feeling; touching it with its salt, telling it it's true.

sometimes the writing touched a sublime note. this was one of them. often while watching ipk, at the oddest of moments when no major thing is happening, perhaps just a look in his eyes or a play in her voice brings a tear stinging the back of my eye. it's perhaps because something senses the truly precious, the ephemeral, the thing alive, in a feeling between a man and a woman.

and there they stood, a man and a woman. seemingly miles of distance between them in every way, yet there they stood and she was really his, and he only hers. it's just a moment. you can let it go and say it never was, but such things, once they happen, they never really go away.

khushi's feelings how powerful they were, how overwhelming, they cared not for her inner sanctions and restrictions, they bothered not that she didn't really have the experience to understand them, they just came and made their claim. he was hers, how could anyone else hold him? and he put his arms around another?
and he had come to only wipe away her tears.

why else had he come to do what he'd said he never would? for whom did he carry that slightest, incredibly beautiful almost-smile, whose expression brought it on? the smile on which face did he seek? and who touched his heart? the heart he said he didn't have. nahin hai dil asr ke seene mein.

the tear was its own answer. but khushi surrounded it with only questions.

"hey devi maiya, yeh kyun ho raha hai? hum pareshan kyun hain? akhir humare kahne pe hi toh... hume toh khush hona chahiye... lavanya ji itni khush hui... par jab woh dono saath... pata nahin hume kya... hum pareshan kyun hai." hey devi maiya... why is this happening? why am i upset? after all, it's because i said... i should be happy... lavanya ji was so happy... but when they were together... i don't know what.. why am i getting upset? she is so confused, so unprepared to realise what it is she feels. she is not supposed to feel like this.

but isn't that what made it valid? you feel for someone a powerful feeling of desire and more, with no rational reason or basis for it. extra-rational. isn't that the very nature of love? in fact, even of of faith? isn't love itself a thing of faith? can we start loving because you fit a certain bill? can we stop loving because you do things that hurt?

"kyun usske aankhon ke aansoo mujhe pareshan kar rahein hain? kyun use main rota hua nahin dekh sakta." why are the tears in her eyes upsetting me? why can't i see her crying? rabba vey played its gentle piano notes as though asking curiously, yes, why?

both are pareshan, neither knows why. the tears are like little vehicles to a separate different space, an extra-rational space where only feelings count. feelings that will come together and become "khushi, i love you" and in response, a tear rolling slowly down as she grips the phone, her man now in the embrace of danger,"i love you, arnavji," it said.

perhaps it said it for the first time just now, here. absolutely brilliant writing. when we are moved in our core, even when we aren't aware of it, the emotion still has its say. sometimes this way.

(really why can't he bear to see her eyes filling. my mind wanders and says, was there yet another story we were never told. had he seen her on that night that her parents went, an eight year old sweet and solemn little girl, tears brimming to her eyes and she trying hard to control it. did his subconscious have a memory that kept coming back whenever he saw her crying now? a story? ok i will not ponder this any more. just that too many times he asked himself this question, maybe a different, more complex story was it's origin.)

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Indi, couldn't resist reading this right away. Khushi's pic tempted me. What a heart-tugging moment! A heart string was pulled so strong that the tear couldn't stop itself from rolling down Khushi's eye. That sad rabba ve is still playing in my head.
Loved the whole part in pink. About the part in blue brackets, Indi, even I felt many a time, that perhaps in that untold past story, Arnav and Khushi knew each other when they were young, maybe before tragedy hit both of them or at the time of their parents' death, which as per popular belief happened at the same time. I feel Arnav must have known a girl called Chutki in his younger days. And Khushi may have known this akhdoo boy, whom she must have called by some other name. There was so much in the past story that could have been explored, but alas, it turned out to be our loss. 😔
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: supriya.arshi

@Indi

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two scenes from these two episodes particularly crashed into me while i watched. here is asr as he is, with his unconventional beliefs, his inability to really give himself to an emotional relationship, his arrogant air, his unyielding stance, and above all his out of control gussa, anger, and the nasty tongue it catalyses. no softening of edge, no cutesie pie nuance. he is scathing as he lets his rage ride untrammeled. he is refusing to marry, saying he doesn't give a damn, not even interested in going and coaxing his girl friend to return." - Amazing Description 👏

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for i find that integral, visceral connection between barun sobti and his asr. and this no holds barred adhering gives us a performance that is at the level of a classic in a daily soap on a general entertainment channel. by an untrained actor. i can't thank barun sobti enough for giving all he could to this khadoos he had to take all the way to our hearts. given the kind of guy he is, chances are that when he dated he wasn't being caressed by dupatta, catching falling girl, hearing rabba vey back of mind, carrying the lady in his arms and striding purposefully, or giving her long intense looks lasting several seconds every once in awhile. to convince your cool, trendy young mind that this can be done with conviction is pretty tough." ⭐️Superb!!!

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then the gussa. how fabulously he owned it. no fearing anything when he entered it, allowing his voice to go where it needed to, his whole body get involved in expressing fury, his mind feel its kick, and all the while not any generic anger, but asr anger. the sudden decibel blow outs, then the drop to even cold iciness, the seething tension in the body, the hand tense and index finger jabbing air downward, the eyes going flat ice with lavanya, but dark smouldering with khushi, " - every word said is amazing...👏


- this too good 👏

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then la's constant turning in her direction brings khushi right out, and face to face with that wildfire anger. cold sleet fury building into fire within as he sees khushi at the bathroom door. brilliant direction and acting of this singular asr trait. gussa. did he just hold her hand and drag her after him? first time? just the way he pulled her along that night of the angry temple." 👏


- 👍🏼



- Amazing Edit indi...no wonder u made ur pro pic 👏


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less than 6 minutes, the entire scene. the last minute had not a single word but so much was said. past and present merged, hints of future, a timeless look between the two. pyaar nahin hai, asr? nahi hai dil asr ke seene mein? 👏




Indi this was one of yu The Best Analysis...every word has been perfectly said...every line has its own charm...Fabulous 👏⭐️



aw, supriya, thank you so much. i always enjoy your enthusiastic reading of things. and you 👍🏼 so many of my edits. 😳 delighted. the collage in my pro pic, just happened by chance. liked the look of it so thought might be nice to keep with me fora while.
thanks also for the beautiful zoha vm's. my net is acting up. managed to see most of the first one. hoping to see them both later tonight.

jaane jaa, beautiful song, even in rem,ix. the original is from a crazy love tale, i remember the song sequence was vry interesting, jaya bhaduri, randhir kapoor, asha bhonsle doing all sorts of sexy things with her voice and kishore kumar just super cool. hmmm.

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hi harichandana,
lovely to see you here. it is really writing at another level... in my opinion that is 😳. sometimes even in very carefully and intelligently movies, and plenty of those these days, i don't get such a moment. did you see special 26? it had a couple of scenes that had that ephemeral thing. the man woman interplay.


I always wanted to read takes on those early episodes by wonderful writers like you and I'm glad you are all doing it here on this thread. IPK of those days was something else. Haven't seen special 26, heard it is a great movie, will check it out.

IPK's trademark was its subtlety, which is why it was such a beauty. I still don't understand if all those small things were actually in the script or it was the actors who added those beautiful little moments to the scene, I think it was both.

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