Barun vs Daljeet a Debate : Note pg 6;43;47, 48 - Page 45

Originally posted by: coolnisha_fun87

I can say Barun was responsible for change in track for that point of time but cannot be blamed for ruining the show...Gul did start with a redemption track but the way she proceeded and executed the track was bad with all blackmailing Khushi track and ASR still having upper hand...

Surprisingly Barun's absence(with his presence in some epic episodes)lead to kidnapping track which was an intense track and beautifully expressed ArShi's feelings but after his comeback track lead to lowest TRPs..people had many expectations after Barun returned..people had many expectations from this marriage track.

CVs were able to manage Barun's absence well but failed miserably after his comeback.

And about DB enough said about her in previous replies...demanding for more screen space(which i feel is justified) was excused till her Rangamanch interview was aired..with more screen space she should have also asked for maintaining her character..

This comes from a normal viewer who is/was more than an IPK fan than SaRun fan...I am SaRun fan because of IPK not vice versa

Originally posted by: tnusredey

I agree with ur post. Yes, bth Barun's leave & DB's negotiations affected da show. Coz evn when Barun came back da TRPs aftr 2 weeks were not dat great. BT da CVs were much more responsible in ruining da show in dis case. If DB did not negotiate, da TRPs wud not suck at 2.3 4 2 long weeks.

I understand, dey r professional actors & can demand such things bt da CVs were incapable 2 handle da situation in bth da cases leading 2 loss of many viewers.

I think it is foolish to even think that Barun and Daljeet are in anyway directly responsible for the status of the show. The real issue is with the PH. Barun was given leave by PH and Daljeet was retained by PH. But what they did with the story cannot be pardoned. Time and again I have said this... they are responsible for the lack of a good strong story line. Who can forget the Swami track, masala mama, bubbly and other tracks. Was there any reason to make them what they were. Even now, after the second marriage, now when all the actors are available, look what is happening with the story. Did Daljeet ask for the DKS track to be made? I guess not. The PH is responsible for the TRPs and the show and they hide behind the actors. It is only unfortunate that the real person deciding these things is hidden and some people in the front is taking the blame. But again, tis show biz and when they are ready to take praise they should be ready to take blame as well. I guess the actors are just accepting and acting. But the truth is not what we know of at all.

Originally posted by: rainaluvBS

For me its Daljeet. She is damn manipulating. Look at her timing of negotiation. Why didn't she started all this before or during the kidnapping track. She started it when the PH was its vulnerable best.
They had to comply to her demands coz of fans pressure also.

Kidnapping track worked for me coz Khushi's feeling came out. She was at her best during that period. However i feel it could have been more tighter script wise. Shyam's character suffered coz of Kidnapping thing.

Also I think the entire revelation thing after the kidnapping was added due to DB's demands coz Barun was back on 16th june but was shown on 22nd june properly. To accommodate DB's demand that track was stretched.

But i would also say BS's movie leave did affect the show overall and DB's negotiations completely destroyed it.

Originally posted by: Rockerchic

RC is an actor and will therefore side with the actor.

There are two main things that make an actor to take up roles :

1)Love for the art.
2)Money.

First up Daljeet.
Her character was pretty much baseless. With a few emotional scenes and mostly smiling and looking like a doll.

Every drama requires extras and it's not possible to operate w/o them. The point at hand is daljeet felt that her acting was more suited for a mainstream role, that's what I gather.

She putforth her demands and left the choice to PH.

Nothing wrong with either of those things. Every one wants to do bigger and better things.

Now it's a whole other matter on how poorly the PH delt with the issue.

In my opinion PH could have let her go as she could have been replaced. But obvs the PH felt otherwise. They did what could make Daljeet stay.

Was it a poor call? Yes.
Is it Daljeet's fault? No.
Is it wrong for an actor to put forth their demands? No.

Now coming to Barun.

I have said it before and I will say it again - he too isn't that great an actor. Is he the best ASR? Certainly. But does he have potential to be a great actor? Surely.

Playing a character in a daily soap doesn't offer scope improvement in acting. The scripts are rushed, the direction is rushed - it's all about putting up content for 20 mins every day and has very little to do with acting.

Sure there have been some superb scenes but they are far and few inbetween.

There comes a point when a role no longer inspires you.

In my opinion Sobti reached that point. He wanted to do something differerent.

Note I didn't say better but I said different. When a show goes on for over a year, I'm not suprised that he felt that way.

I would loose my mind if I had to play the same character day in and day out. Acting is about varity and Sobti is ready for a change I think.

In my opinion the very fact that he managed both his movie and IPK shows how much he loves this show. Nothing absolutely nothing other than love would have made him stay on. He was not unprofessional what so ever.

Let me assure you it's like working two jobs. The working hours are impossible for TV and movies seperately, imagine doing them together.

My point is to make up his absence the kidnap track wasn't the only way, they could have sent him off on work related trip for two months. That's not uncommon and in that time they could have developed Daljeets character and continued where they left off when he came back.

That was one option.

The other one is, if IPK was as important to them (the PH) then they would have never let him go. I'm sure actors sign some sort of a contract.

But our dear PH decided to mess up everything by bringing in abrupt changes to the characterization of Arnav and Khushi.

From then on it's been a spiral downwards.

Bottomline - Who's at fault? 4lions and their shitty damage control.

Originally posted by: Arhi-Did-IT

thanks Alibaba

but there is already a thread against my thread doing the rounds & ppl already have started name calling me & many others indirectly which is sad

anyways as long as the mods are fair & ppl are sort of agreeing with what i have to say i m not bothered

Just ignore thm dear.

Originally posted by: Rockerchic

The script is always the hero. Always.

This is my first post, I usually don't like to comment on any post because it tends to stray from topic and some even fail to differentiate between reel and real life. Anyways, here's my thought for whatever it's worth.

For me the fault lies with the production house ' not with the actors. Yes, Barun signed a movie and yes Daljeet renegotiated. Barun didn't sign the movie at the last minute. Daljeet's contract didn't expire at the last minute; these all factors took place well in advance. Everything in the entertainment world is fleeting, and actors themselves are very aware of that. So, why blame actors?

Now as an organisation, if you know that your key employee would like to take a break, and you agree, then it's up to the organisation to take steps to minimise damage ' this they did. The damage was minimum. I use the word damage here, because Sanaya had a weak script to work with. There is only so much an actor can do, if you the script you are given is weak. But still it was a good effort by the CVs and Sanaya to keep the audiences entertained.

Coming to Daljeet's contract, they renegotiated her contract. Not her fault, good for her that she was able to renegotiate her contract. Now here, the PH lost the plot entirely, they failed to give the actress a good script. The viewers couldn't connect with the character of Anjali any more. It's not the actors fault here; it's the extremely poor writing from the creative department that let the actor down. Sure, the actors off screen comments impacted her image which in turn impacted her already weak role, but I still wouldn't blame the actress here. She was enacting what was given to her.

It is the role of the production house to keep the viewers entertained. Every one of us is here to be entertained ' by falling in love, being in actor for the injustice done by one character to another, being offended, being depressed, being happy. The actors with their craft lead us through all these emotions and it is a testimony to their talent that we are able to feel these emotions. Again, if an actor doesn't get a strong script, no matter how good you are or how talented you are, you are heading for disaster. So again it's the script, the writing, the execution that makes a difference. And the production house failed big time in this department. Even with enormous talent, they failed to give these actors the best script.

Now, my question is, would this topic be in discussion had the viewer's been entertained? And for me the answer is No. We wouldn't care, if Barun had gone for a while, wouldn't care if Daljeet had renegotiated ' nothing would have mattered, because we were entertained.

But viewers (I hate the word fan too, by the way) weren't satisfied. The PH has the worst PR in the history of entertained business. They seem to make actors the scape goat for lack of good script, poor PR and very poor management and that is a very bad business strategy.

So for me it's the production house that are to be blamed.

Originally posted by: nikita_88

I was reading the topic and to be honest since the start of the show daljeet was told she was a major character in the show but the cvs forgot the basis they got daljeet to sign the show but the way they brought her into the show was terrible...

During ASR kidnapping they could have made use of Anjali finding out Shyam's evilness not like how they done it but when Khushi was looking for Arnav giving Anjali a revenge track or something make the show more interesting... The result of The miscarriage was such a digression in the storyline which viewers didn't like so the PH is to blame

As for Barun he done what ever actor does takes up new opportunities as for the leave the PH should have thought it through but it worked so that is fine...