Barun vs Daljeet a Debate : Note pg 6;43;47, 48

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OmNaMaSteOm

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Posted: 12 years ago

#451

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan
Good topic! Here is my two cents!

I think that Barun's leave DID effect the show, but it was better handled!
The kidnapping track gave focus to Khushi and HER emmotions! We had longing and passion from both sides! Dont forget, Barun was on leave, BUT he came in and out on those weeks to give shots! So we SAW him for those 5 weeks! It's not like we saw nothing of him!

THEN came the BIGGEST blunder! The Didi Ki Saut track to accomodate DB's demands! Happened at the WORST time! Just when TRP recovered more after the ARSHI reunion! We all waited for this,and people stuck by the show, so they can see the romance bloom between the leads post kidnapping!

We were also waiting for Shyam's reveal! BUT, Shyam got a "Half reveal" and after everything they went through ARSHI looked like the bad people! Everyone turned on them and Payal! Payal and Khushi had nothing but critisizm! THIS is not what the audience wanted to see!

We thought the ASR redemption track will start, but instead we got Di Ki Saut! From the storyline during the kidnapping track, it was obviouse that the "Redemption track" was what was being planned! But because of the DB negotionations, they changed track! Even the kidnapping was dragged for 1 more week to accomodate the change to the script!

In MY opinion the show would have recovered just FINE, if the PH had stuck to their guns and shown what they had planned to show! However, they negotiated with a "2nd lead" and they changed the script! THAT was a HUGE mistake! They should never have done that! Even to THIS day, we have not recovered the audience we lost during that track! People got sick of how the story was revolving around Anjali's selfish delusions! She was holding the whole family to ransom! THEN comes the "Dadi", who was the WORST charachter introduced to date! Even worse than Bubbly, Masala mama and Sheetal! Dadi got NO sympathy from the audience and everyone DISPISED her!

So blunder after blunder since the kidnapping track is what got us to where we are now! I feel that PH is to blame more for negotiating to change the storyline for DB! THAT is what screwed up the last 4 months of the show and turned off half the audience!

The PH made a blunder by chosing to negotiate with a supporting cast member the same way they did with a LEAD! They should NOT have done that!

i completely agree with u & i have always loved ur threads & replies

but to some extent i still blame Barun for not getting the redemption track

all the tracks since the MU seemed like some experiment to me

Edited by Arhi-Did-IT - 12 years ago

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OmNaMaSteOm

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Posted: 12 years ago

#452

Originally posted by: surenkal
A daily soap on TV is more a storyteller's medium and less an actor's. The mess could have been avoid if the story-tellers had a story to tell...

i agree with u but to an extent the actors have also may be or may not have forced the CV's to fulfil their requests

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Pashna

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Posted: 12 years ago

#453

I am vacationing in India right now and ppl who got me addicted to this show that is my family and friends in India have moved on to different shows after Arnav got kidnapped...man of them thought barun left the show( thanks to sbs) and when he came back lot of them had lost interest, some did watch when he came back but have gradually stopped watching it becoz of bad tracks. Ppl here don't use IF or Internet and they just watch the show as entertainment and BS is huge when it comes to IPK.

Show without BS is a sure disaster. I do think BS leave affected the show but 4lions did a crappy job with it and even now they r ruining the show.

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Ashi

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Posted: 12 years ago

#454

Okay, I may not be contributing much to the debate regarding Barun and Daljeet, for me the problems started exactly when the hate marriage track began.

I was very comfortable & loved loved IPKKND to bits till that track. After that, I need not say anymore.

For me, Barun's professionalism & Daljeet's negotiations after have no bearing.

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coolnisha_fun87

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Posted: 12 years ago

#455

Originally posted by: Arhi-Did-IT

not always RC why because Daljeet did the extra touching which i do not think any sis would do to her bro im a sis myself so i know lol & Barun looks tired lately
i saw the ME after a really long time been more than a month i felt Daljeet increased weight, Barun is tired top to bottom & Sanaya seemed fresh to me

Sorry to reply in between..

if script fails everything follows it...Anjali's script was added so doing anything extra would not have helped her

Barun looks tired(sometimes)..he was fresh during haldi,engagement,mehendi,basketball,after basketball, in ME...he looks dull in his so called raizada's suits.Again for me looks is secondary. And these days he hardly gets any important dialogues.Track running currently is not from Arnav's POV..

As you mentioned about ME there are many many posts praising Barun's looks(not everyone is a blind fan) so here again I say everyone has different opinion.Daljeet's weight has nothing to do with track..she carries herself well.

Sanaya is beautiful.She has always looked good .But did her good looking helped to save the show during Swami track or during di's miscarriage...Even if I agee with you that Barun did not looked good during last ME but that did not stopped people from watching that particular episode again and again...i believe majority of the people loved every part of that particular episode.

Pardon me for barging in between.

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Siri22

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Posted: 12 years ago

#456

Not watching the show anymore but wanted to reply to this post.

Daljeet - IMHO Daljeet is smart. And I wish I would know how she managed to convince the PH to change the entire story line to suit her demands. Like I always said no actor is indispensable. I don't think she's in any way responsible for the demise of the show. The PH should have sacked her and gotten a new Anjali and the viewers would have forgotten DB in a jiffy.

Although PH messed up big time with DKS track it was excellent opportunity for DB to shine. But looks like PH giving in gotten into her pretty lil head and she turned out to be very unprofessional. Her not wearing a baby bump till the murder tack is confirmed is a big turn off and she failed to connect with the viewers.

Barun - Everybody wants to advance in their careers and barun grabbed an opportunity and rightly so. IPK cannot go on forever and he wanted to explore other opportunities. I'm sure he did not tell the PH of his movie one day before. Totally CV's fault for not banking in episodes. Although i cribbed during the kidnapping track that was the only track where I liked Khushi as she was shown as smart woman and not an immature 22 year old.

That being said Barun did not do any favors by shooting for movie and IPK. There was so much story to tell (the love track hasn't even started) and he knows he cannot abandon the show.

I guess what I'm saying is no actor or actress can be held responsible for a poor show. I wouldn't even say their timing was wrong. Ultimately the PH's fault for not managing it well.

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OmNaMaSteOm

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Posted: 12 years ago

#457

Originally posted by: meeyaa
I think it is foolish to even think that Barun and Daljeet are in anyway directly responsible for the status of the show. The real issue is with the PH. Barun was given leave by PH and Daljeet was retained by PH. But what they did with the story cannot be pardoned. Time and again I have said this... they are responsible for the lack of a good strong story line. Who can forget the Swami track, masala mama, bubbly and other tracks. Was there any reason to make them what they were. Even now, after the second marriage, now when all the actors are available, look what is happening with the story. Did Daljeet ask for the DKS track to be made? I guess not. The PH is responsible for the TRPs and the show and they hide behind the actors. It is only unfortunate that the real person deciding these things is hidden and some people in the front is taking the blame. But again, tis show biz and when they are ready to take praise they should be ready to take blame as well. I guess the actors are just accepting and acting. But the truth is not what we know of at all.

the term foolish seemed negative to me so ur saying the ones who commented in this thread whether they completely agreed or no are also foolish ?

so im foolish because u did not agree with the post i created ?

Daljeet wanted her screen space i do not think she was bothered of how she was even portrayed

all Barun & Daljeet interview do not match with what ur are saying

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Nikita

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Posted: 12 years ago

#458

Originally posted by: Arhi-Did-IT

from an actors POV Daljeet is right but from a viewers POV i dont think any one is really aware of the show being a bro - sis bond based show
i knew when i came to the forum lol
i agree with rest of ur reply though i feel Barun is also responsible for the state to some extent

Tbh I started watching this show for anjali and Arnav the show started with them... They were shown as a great bro and sis pair... Khushi was the storm in their lives

But tbh the ph is to blame they have to deal with the situation well esp with such a large cast...

As for the ph saying don't like it don't watch it well lots of ph do say that and it is the truth you have other options... Complain fine but don't expect them to listen

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OmNaMaSteOm

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Posted: 12 years ago

#459

Originally posted by: temperance12

This is my first post, I usually don't like to comment on any post because it tends to stray from topic and some even fail to differentiate between reel and real life. Anyways, here's my thought for whatever it's worth.For me the fault lies with the production house ' not with the actors. Yes, Barun signed a movie and yes Daljeet renegotiated. Barun didn't sign the movie at the last minute. Daljeet's contract didn't expire at the last minute; these all factors took place well in advance. Everything in the entertainment world is fleeting, and actors themselves are very aware of that. So, why blame actors? Now as an organisation, if you know that your key employee would like to take a break, and you agree, then it's up to the organisation to take steps to minimise damage ' this they did. The damage was minimum. I use the word damage here, because Sanaya had a weak script to work with. There is only so much an actor can do, if you the script you are given is weak. But still it was a good effort by the CVs and Sanaya to keep the audiences entertained. Coming to Daljeet's contract, they renegotiated her contract. Not her fault, good for her that she was able to renegotiate her contract. Now here, the PH lost the plot entirely, they failed to give the actress a good script. The viewers couldn't connect with the character of Anjali any more. It's not the actors fault here; it's the extremely poor writing from the creative department that let the actor down. Sure, the actors off screen comments impacted her image which in turn impacted her already weak role, but I still wouldn't blame the actress here. She was enacting what was given to her.It is the role of the production house to keep the viewers entertained. Every one of us is here to be entertained ' by falling in love, being in actor for the injustice done by one character to another, being offended, being depressed, being happy. The actors with their craft lead us through all these emotions and it is a testimony to their talent that we are able to feel these emotions. Again, if an actor doesn't get a strong script, no matter how good you are or how talented you are, you are heading for disaster. So again it's the script, the writing, the execution that makes a difference. And the production house failed big time in this department. Even with enormous talent, they failed to give these actors the best script.Now, my question is, would this topic be in discussion had the viewer's been entertained? And for me the answer is No. We wouldn't care, if Barun had gone for a while, wouldn't care if Daljeet had renegotiated ' nothing would have mattered, because we were entertained.But viewers (I hate the word fan too, by the way) weren't satisfied. The PH has the worst PR in the history of entertained business. They seem to make actors the scape goat for lack of good script, poor PR and very poor management and that is a very bad business strategy.
So for me it's the production house that are to be blamed.

i like the way u replied but we should just agree to dis - agree - viewers are not watching to get satisfied the PH is trying to satisfy us by constantly experimenting with tracks

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OmNaMaSteOm

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Posted: 12 years ago

#460

Originally posted by: pashna
I am vacationing in India right now and ppl who got me addicted to this show that is my family and friends in India have moved on to different shows after Arnav got kidnapped...man of them thought barun left the show( thanks to sbs) and when he came back lot of them had lost interest, some did watch when he came back but have gradually stopped watching it becoz of bad tracks. Ppl here don't use IF or Internet and they just watch the show as entertainment and BS is huge when it comes to IPK.
Show without BS is a sure disaster. I do think BS leave affected the show but 4lions did a crappy job with it and even now they r ruining the show.

i would l dis agree a lil here

Barun is not really huge its more to with the chemistry between SaRun & the character Khushi why because the trps during Barun's absence actually proves it

but i also would add that Barun / ASR became a lil synonymous to each other

rest i agree with u