Barun vs Daljeet a Debate : Note pg 6;43;47, 48

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I am not per say against actors wanting to look for career growth by either looking out for greener pastures or by bargaining for a meatier role...but the important point is what is the gain which they are getting v/s the loss which the actor, PH or the viewers suffer...

Daljeet bargained for a meatier role but was she able to justify it???No she could not and the TRP sank...she was not wrong in negotiating but did she gain anything out of it?? Hardly anything except for tons of hate mails and sinking the show to its all time lows...she faced the ire of the fans as they were neither interested nor impressed...

Barun took a break from the show for a career growth by signing a movie with a relatively unknown PH and non bankable co-stars. The fans supported him and the female lead did a good job in attracting the audience but the TRP did fall sharply after a period of time as the track was stretched like a chewing gum. The verdict on the movie is due but the show suffered a lot and the characterisation along with TRP suffered badly, the consistency in story telling was lost...

One should not suffer at the cost of the other is only criterion for me and both the actors have hardly gained anything at the expense of viewers or the show...


Edited by Didikisaut - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I am one of the few people that bashed BS and DB equally and I never encouraged Barun's leaving the show for the movie. I bashed Barun when he left for his movie and Daljeet for her negotiations. Starting with Barun, he has all the rights to search for different projects for his career growth, but not at the expense of the serial. He knew when he started this show that it is a serial on Indian TV right? Then he should have also known that normally hindi serials go for at the very least 3 years. Then he should know very well that it is ethically wrong to leave that serial temporarily in the middle for some other project. Especially in this show; because the USP of the show is Arnav-Khushi jodi. When one of them leave; viewers stop watching. Does he not know this? The PH is equally at fault here for letting him take that leave. Which PH lets their lead actor take a leave for over 40 days? Even Saas Bahu serials which are not that dependent on lead pair don't let one of their leads to take a leave from the show. This show is all about Arnav-Khushi. Let's face it, no one watches it for anyone else. His leave has definately affected the show and TRPs, there's no denying it. The whole kidnapping track lacked logic and it butchered Shyam's character in the process. It also kinda butchered ASR's character trait of a shrewd businessman. Which businessman lets themself get taken away by a bunch of rude strangers at an airport; that too in front of people and no one does anything.😕 Although in this phase the CV's could have utilised the other character's better and given them more importance. If DB negotiated during this time, it would have been perfect for her. She would have gotten to showcase her talent. It would have been perfect timing. Now onto DB, she also has all the rights to search for career growth. But she should also know that she is not the lead and never will be in this serial. I don't know what specific deal she was offered at the start but she has been acting in the serial for for than a year. She has been acting as a side character since the beginning of this serial and after more than 1 year later she realizes that she has been offered a raw deal? And this is just after she decided to quit but stayed back due to pleads from fans. Does that ring a bell, anyone? She overestimates herself and thinks that she can somehow magically be the lead and audience will welcome her with open arms. So she negotiates with the PH to make her the lead and they accept. Again, the PH is at fault here. Why make her the lead when you very well know that the audience will not accept anyone else except Sanaya as lead? Ok. Fine. Make her the lead. But atleast give her a sensible role to play. But no they give her the most pathetic role and disgusting Di Ki Saut track. They make her a backstabber, make her cry crocodile tears, make her a woman with no backbone and make her highly delusional. They could have given her a track which portrays her as a strong woman who tries to find truth about Shyam. But no they give her a pathetic Miscarriage track. But here again, DB probably didn't want to play a mother; hence she only wore baby bump for a week.😆 I was fine with miscarriage track as well. But the execution was plain disgusting and cruel. Is it even called a miscarriage? The baby was in womb for 7 months, so it should be called still birth right? But they didn't even show funeral of the dead baby.😲 Anyway, this track was horrible and TRPs proved it by dropping lower than the lowest.

So IMO the actors BS and DB, PH and CV's are all equally at fault.

Edited by I_miss_Snakewa - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Harshu on a topic making spree.😆👏

Barun Sobti took a leave of 45 days for shooting for a movie.
I think this is the first time any PH has given any actor such a long term leave because of his movie shoots.
It may seem as a wrong moves by the CVs.But maybe they have no other options left.SaRun are the pillars of this show.Without any of them the show will go down the drains.So the PH had no options left other than giving him leave.
So I am not blaming the PH here.

But the PH did a big blunder by negotiating with Daljeet.
The PH did not handle the situation well.
But Daljeet is a clever lady.She took advantage of the situation smartly.

Viewer's Point of View:

I personally feel Barun's leave did lesser harm to the show.
The kidnapping track was unexpectedly good.
We got to see a mature and dignified Khushi.
Even the extent of Khushi's love for Arnav was portrayed in this track.
The track had suspense,romance and drama.
The majority of the TRP audience did not kow about Barun's leave.
They saw the track as a part of the story.
The show was among top 10 shows during the kidnapping track.
But due to Barun's long this track was dragged too much.
Still we did not loose viewers.
Once Barun came back and ArShi united the TRPs rose to 3.3.

But it was because of Daljeet's negotiation we lost a large number of loyal viewers.
The redemption track was skipped to accommodate Didi Ki Saut track.
With Anjali's abortion promo TRP fell to 2.9.
The character of Khushi was butchered to give Anjali more sympathy.
ArShi romance took a backseat because of Didi Ki Saut track.
Viewers were impatiently waiting from February to see the union of ArShi.
After the kidnap track their hopes raised.
But due to Daljeet's demand all went to drain.
Anjali's miscarriage track did the ultimate damage.
We lost a big portion of loyal viewers.
And still we have not recovered from that loss.
The television's hottest couple got married.
But TRP was only 3.A large number of viewers left the show due to Didi overdoes.

So for me Didi ruined the show.
Barun's absence was handled well.
But Daljeet's negotiation mark the downfall of the show.

From Actor's Movie:

As actor they have every right to look for better opportunities.
But still I will bash Daljeet more than Barun because of her interview.
The Rangmunch interview gave me a glimpse of her personality.



Edited by ItIsMyLife - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Nice topic, to be quite honest, both the actor and actress are at fault IMHO, but the biggest culprit is the PH.

They should never have granted the actor 45 days leave to do a movie at the expense of this show, I don't understand how star-plus agree with this decision by the PH.

The actor was not held responsible by most of his fans because there wasn't any press release trying to defend his absence nor did he go on television and defend himself, he simply gave a press release saying that anyone can play ASR, and that he is still very much there, hence calming his fans, and was shown in bits in the show.

Unlike the actress who I strongly believe, got the brunt of the backlash because, from the PH to the creative, to her castmates, tried to defend her role, and made it public knowledge that she has renegotiated her contract, she brought some of it on herself from her interview, telling fans to show support, so they felt that they had a hand in helping her stay in the role, thus it was explosive.

But fans of the drama, has to acknowledge and be fair, that this story ONLY started going downhill from the Kidnapping track, so one has to conclude that it is because the main star of the star-crossed love story was not present for 45 days that is the reasons why the TRP and show has plummeted in the past months.

I have never in the history of television heard of a PH like this one giving leave to the hero unless that leave is for health reasons.

So in closing yes, I am playing the blame game and stating that it is more towards the Hero's absence than the DKS track, the actress is not so popular whereas the actor is more popular with a huge fan following.

I wish him luck in his future endeavors and hopes he makes it in Bollywood.

Edited by E_Paw - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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that's a good topic to bring forward.

The current state of affairs have to be blamed on the actors. Both the actors wanted to achieve higher, one could have had directly dealt with the PH instead of doing an blackmail. PH is equally to blame for falling down on their promises. DB's case was a PH failure.

While BS, wanted to progress with his career goal, of becoming an Movie Star, which he always thrived for. If I was in his shoes, I would have given importance to my current role - being Arnav & I could have tried my hand at acting after the show. Popularity is not going to drop just because the show is over, in fact the popularity might have reached higher peak.

CV's should have handled the situation better especially during BS's absence, they could have given more importance to other characters & probably sketched them even better too. Even though, TRP's didn't fall a lot during this phase as compared to DKS track.

If at all, DB wanted a better importance to her character, its again CV's who failed to come up with a better creativity rather than choosing the DKS track or at least fast forwarded most of the bits. It was annoying to watch the DKS track, no wonder many stopped watching the show during this phase.

The only sufferers because of these 2 actors personal goals is "US" the viewers, the fans who devoted 30 precious minutes to the show & 60 minutes on every ME. Both of them have taken the viewers for granted.

Its no use to rant on this topic, as we are not going to reach any proper conclusion, the only thing we will have is - bashing from both sides. Arhi fans will turn into Arnav v KKGSR.
Edited by serious - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I am glad today someone brought this topic in front and I am able to give my opinion on this.And like your post that how nicely without any harsh comment you have put down your thoughts.

I will state just my observation and my POV.Anyone can contradict it but has to be gracefully.My post will be long as I have so much to say.Please bear with me.

As an individual I have never said anything against Daljeet's negotiation or Barun's opting for movie.because I understand the importance of job satisfaction,looking for better opportunities which involves a great risk.

What i understand from past is Daljeet's notice to PH was justifies as she was hardly getting any screen space at that time and her role was minimised.But what was not acceptable was the track.Daljeet negotiated for larger screen space that we know but did any one told us that Daljeet asked for DKS track?Larger screen space could have been acting cupid for ArShi.

The audience got furious because of her role shown.Anjali's character was turned to a selfish,disloyal towards her brother(which was completely unacceptable from Anjali's character) and her insecurities towards Khushi.Anjali's role would have been appreciated if she would have behaived the same way she is behaiving now.The script was completely wrong.And what added to the intensity of audience's anger was her explanation in rangmanch.An actor should never justify her role.You can explain your role but should not justify.

And then we saw something very insensitive social issues like ill treatment towards bahus(by dadiji which was because of Anjali and Shyam) and then miscarriage(somewhere or the other Anjali's blind love for Shyam was responsible).So,as far as I understand people dislike her because of her role and this leakage of news of leave was just at wrong time.She is not the 1st actress in television to negotiate for any role.

Everyday or the other I get to read posts on actor's not happy with their role.And there is never any problem to discuss your role.Its similar to what one does in any type of service.If one is not happy with his/her job instead of cribbing we look for its solution.

Now,coming to Barun this guy was the victim of poor PR skills of PH.4lions till date has never ever given any statement on Barun's movie(neither during MAMR nor last month).What I can comprehend before signing for his movie he must have discussed with this SP and PH.We actually don't know what were there discussion.What were PH and channel's take on that.All we know some is only through Barun's some interview.So,it was nothing like Barun gave a surprise to PH by signing this movie.It must have been a mutual decision.So,I assume there would have a discussion between channel,PH and Barun on what will be their story track during Barun's leave,how will they keep their audience stick to the show etc etc.And at that time audience had no problem with the story.Things were going well.So we cannot say that IPK was a sinking ship that time and Barun took leave during that.If things would have been bad Barun's leave would have nevr ever been granted.Channel must had been confident that they can manage the show well.Like for me if in my company I will never grant a leave to any employee for long period if I feel his/her leave can affect my company badly.(have a real experience with this)

If PH was so unsure of the track then why was his leave granted at first case.Now,I do not expect an answer that PH did a favour.In corporates no favours are done.Even CVs had so many other good actors(Akshay,deepali and NK was brought for kidnapping track and no doubt he was used well) with them but what did they do with them.They showed the disgusting track of PayAs).They could have shown a parallel track of Akash and Payal.But no.If SaRun is the only reason for wathcing IPK then I must say CVs need a huge improvement.

And inspite of taking leave, Barun was there in between during those 40 days.(Infact,there was an interview where his co-star mentioned that why do people say he has come back when he was very much there .Now I am not sure whether that was a part of conditional leave that he has to shoot in between or was just the demand of the situation).

So some of the episodes which are epic like hut scene,teri meri 2,ASR proposal Barun was very much there.And whenever CVs have shown a strong Khushi people have appreciated.Because our dear Khushi is not a typical SP bahu.If I am not wrong Ram Kapoor of BALH was also given leave for his movie shoot but his team managed well.


So,having said much I believe good TRP is the result of good script.And the tracks after Barun's comeback were also bad.I wish CVs could have shown ASR's redemption and wooing back Khushi could have been Todays audience do watch a show just to drool over someone.Or just to see beautiful faces and sarees.It has to be executed well.It has to make sense.IPK is the only show I watch and that is because of its story.Everything comes later.

For me it was never Barun vs Daljeet.Its always 2 different actors working their best and as a normal human being always looks for improvising themselves by playing different roles.And this also shows that they are not risk averse.



And last but not the least half information is always bad.And thats what have been happening to IPK.We crave for information and whatever small news we get we start forming our own assumptions.And its upto an individual whether they see glass as half empty or half full.







Edited by coolnisha_fun87 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Both the issues-its poor management from PH.Actors have a right to choose and progress in their career and that is what both Barun and Daljeet did-no problems with that.PH could have handled the issue better.No point in really blaming/bashing the actors.
Edited by Ukp18 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Nice Post..!!
Honestly I feel barun's fault more ( I am his fan),bcoz his leave was'nt accepted by some viewers AND IT affected the TRP's but coming to daljeet I think she has the right to negotiations as she was promised a good role but how the execution of the DKS track was done it was really bad so not her fault.

RES
Edited by dddds - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Amazing post Harshu and this is something that I always wanted to discuss.

I totally understand that its human nature to want to progress and to you know, as the rational economists put it, pursue one's self interest, so I don't blame BS or Db for actually doing the same. Yet the timing and the handling by the CV's...who despite the challenges did strive to give a story that would satisfy all the members concerned.

But it isn't possible to take satisficing decisions which will work for absolutely everyone ...so what worked for BS or for DB did not work for the audience...hence I think here the PH can actually be sympathised with as it tried hard but to no avail...you make the actors happy you disappoint the fans.

We can actually lay the blame on the show itself for reaching such an unseen pinnacle of popularity that it raised not just the expectations of the audience but also of the cast in terms of their own future prospects.


Well all good things must come to an end...and too many cooks spoil the broth similarly too many demands...be it from the actors or from the channel or from the fans led to an unpalatable khichdi being prepared that we are being served these days.



Edited by shar1988 - 12 years ago

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