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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: arushistarz

by reading all these posts im sorry but u guys never understood ipk...i feel ur looking at it da way u want it to...yes i know dat its ur opinion and all dat. ...but wat i feel is arnav and lavanya never got so physical...it was always lavanya who threw herself at arnav... ya u may disagree but i dont feel any connection between them either physical or mental i felt nothing...it was just restricted to hugs and kiss on cheeks... so wat if she stayed in an apartment and arnav visited her? u come to da conclusion dat they had sexual relationship is it? y? and according to me she was a pig headed bimbo in the beginning who knew nothing but smuge her face wit make up and throw her self at asr and humiliate kushi...if u looked carefully it was not potrayed dat modern girls r dumb and traditional girls r brilliant...if u see in dat manner then wat is kushi? she was still put down horribly compared to lavanya by asr... yes i liked lavanya once she was out of her high horses...but it still doesnt prove dat she was a good match for asr whether or not she changed...ya she knows wat he likes and does wat he tells her to...is dat enough? on da other hand kushi saw arnav right threw asr which lavanya couldnt accomplish nor did arnav's family...all u saw was lavanya suffering and all dat...if u recall she put kushi through hell but still in da end they became best of friends... mind u im not supporting kushi because she is da lead its juat dat u r too much into lavanya and all... i completely disagree wit ur post... u shared ur opinion i shared mine...


thank u...

I think that you have missed a point here. We are talking about feminism and IPK. We are not discussing who is a better partner for the mighty ASR. There are ample posts in the forum to do that. We are discussing feminism. We are discussing the treatment meted out to 'modern' characters on TV shows. Though I am not the TM, I'd request you to see the purpose of the thread before commenting. Thanks
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: arushistarz

yes i liked lavanya once she was out of her high horses...


I'm sorry to jump in here, (and take this further off topic) but I can't resist asking...

What kind of horses was Lavanya in?

I ask because I love horses... More than Lavanya... Even though she was a bit coltish when she walked. And, I mean that in a good way.. you know, because I love horses and all.
Edited by HeadOverHeels - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: arushistarz

yes i liked lavanya once she was out of her high horses...

thank u...


I may or may not agree with the rest of your post, but I have to give a nod to this!

I may feel that modern women, traditional women are the same and the feminism is being butchered by SP but I wont forget the scene when La asked her friends to remove shoes and then enter the mandir.. that change came out, due to Khushi whether we like it or not. And it was a stark contrast from wanting to take the holy water for her facial or putting the Tulsi by the poolside.

For whats it worth, Khushi did teach her to respect the religious institution for which La showed considerable disdain ( or high horsery, which ever you prefer) before.
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Posted: 13 years ago
This "rishta wohi...soch nayi" is all crap. Star Plus just wanted a tagline that would make people believe that they are over and done with Ektaish soaps. If you see the trps chart, the old soch soaps are getting more viewership, I mean like Diya or Baati where an educated girl takes all kind of shit and Saath Nibhana Saathiya where Gopi getting educated as an adult was just a minor part of this big stupid drama of her own cousin being jealous of her and trying to ruin her life...PURE RUBBISH...yet getting all the viewership and how could I forget Yeh Rishta Kya kehlata hai, where the only theme since the beginning uptill now, its been four years by the way, is that how the female lead will balance herself, her time and her devotion between her maika and susural...the repetition grosses me out. Sorry I didn't mean to start off about other serials but I just got carried away with that soch nayi thing so had to mention the other serials.

Coming to IPK, the only thing that interested me was the chemistry between the lead pair and I liked Lavanya a lot only until she became a ditto of Khushi, but as a character I was impressed that such a bold one could be shown on indian tv where a girl has chosen not to get married and just live with her boyfriend.she was smart, confident and quite refreshing but alas such characters are either turned into vamps or they are destroyed by turning them into blurred copies of the satti savitri mahaan indian devi.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: HeadOverHeels


I'm sorry to jump in here, (and take this further off topic) but I can't resist asking...

What kind of horses was Lavanya in?

I ask because I love horses... More than Lavanya... Even though she was a bit coltish when she walked. And, I mean that in a good way.. you know, because I love horses and all.

was it the coltish sway or the dark maine...
Cos yep stallions do do a number...on the demure heart...
wandering what kept ya...and you choose horses to fly high on?...
btw whatever the Horse she was in she must have seen lite...and galloped away...
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: CravingKhana

was it the coltish sway or the dark maine...
Cos yep stallions do do a number...on the demure heart...
wandering what kept ya...and you choose horses to fly high on?...
btw whatever the Horse she was in she must have seen lite...and galloped away...


Farak horses.
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Posted: 13 years ago
Wokay, 15 pages late into the discussion and I have nothing new to add...Every comment has a valid point and it's certainly given me a lot to think about.

Honestly speaking though, do you really think IPK in particular is very on the ball in terms of giving out social messages especially about female rights, because if they are they suck at it.

The messages they sent out whilst Lavanya was present was:

Unmarried girls wearing short dresses = promiscuous girl with no morals, but heck a girl who wears almost backless Kurti's and a micro duppata is the epitome of goodness because she is donning the desi outfit.

Unmarried girl living with her BF = will always be an outsider who won't be completely accepted by the family until her relationship has been given a true and proper name i.e. marriage. but the unmarried titiliya who kissed a dude in full view of his family was simply watched fondly by the females of the house.

As SJ said before, SP serials in general are designed to cater for the Average Joe (or Average Jyoti in this case) watching this show...It shows the heroine as poor yet beautiful, silly yet mature, a martyr yet down to earth and the most importantly, she has got to be the most religious chick in the whole Village/Town/City. But the best part is this Plain Jane has the power to make even the most stone-hearted, anti-marriage, anti-religious, miserable (yet extremely good looking) hero fall to his feet with submission. I suppose that is the secret Desi Dream most girls wish for...That the ghota wearing, chameli tel gelling, simple chapal wali underdog can really get the man.

Lavanya had a job (which wasn't being a damn secretary to the male lead, simper and call him sir all day long), wore designer outfits, killer heels and I'm supposing had some pretty good sexy time with her BF...In the western world that's just an average chick lekin in SP world anyone would those qualities must either be an airhead or a bitch. There's no middle ground there, we have two different extremes..Fair enough Lavanya became all sanskari but why did they show her ditch her Gucci for ghota and her fabulous hair for a plait? There is no Nayi Soch there...it's the purani stereotypical soch that is recycled and constantly being positively reinforced.


#Rant over

ps- Sorry for the lack of coherence 😆😳


Edited by .Euphoria. - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: HeadOverHeels


I'm sorry to jump in here, (and take this further off topic) but I can't resist asking...

What kind of horses was Lavanya in?

I ask because I love horses... More than Lavanya... Even though she was a bit coltish when she walked. And, I mean that in a good way.. you know, because I love horses and all.


I thought the discussion was about IPK and feminism. Not IPK and elitism. 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: .Euphoria.

But the best part is this Plain Jane has the power to make even the most stone-hearted, anti-marriage, anti-religious, miserable (yet extremely good looking) hero fall to his feet with submission. I suppose that is the secret Desi Dream most girls wish for...That the ghota wearing, chameli tel gelling, simple chapal wali underdog can really get the man.




👏 Again! You nailed the main issue in just a few words. Making a rich guy fall for you is the dream almost every girl is encouraged to see since she is young. We force feed the different fairytales to them and this is the result. 🤗 for succinctly putting into words that we all were thinking!
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Posted: 13 years ago

Hello again. I am thrilled to see such amazing responses from so many people. Let me inform the readers again that this isn't a hate spiel, nor is it how we interpret IPK should have been, it's storylines or civic responsibility to its viewers and what it teaches *cough* *cough*, it is just reviewing feminism while taking examples from IPK to show it. Because I honestly do believe that the average contributor to IF has a mistaken idea of what feminism is, and IPK kind of reinforces that stereotype.

So let's review shall we? The discussion that followed Lavanya's character assassination delved over the typical idea of what feminism is and why desi women are discouraged from espousing it. Feminism talks about female liberation, female rights, yet it is reduced to images of women wearing next to nothing, being disrespectful to elders and of other religions, having a high opinion of themselves, mostly atheist and once that comes in to the picture their immorality is made out to be understandable because they do not hold themselves accountable to God, forget about legal systems and accountability to one's own conscience because if they can't give it all up for God why would they do it for manmade institutions and rules; it just makes no sense.

Exhibit B: Sim and Pam

The Laurel and Hardy of the show from the good old glory days. Sim; the slightly payndou receptionist who hid her Om pendant as best she could because being religious just isn't the in thing and will get you nowhere in the corporate world. She was shown to be sweet of nature, gullible and hence easily manipulated towards the evil side because she was ashamed of her roots and culture.

Pam; the wicked witch of the west was so far gone that anything that could mark her as Indian was shunned. She was used by far as the worst example of feminism, who was in awe of Lavanya, wanted to be just like her till she became bhainji and had a fit of jealousy when that diva model showed up at AR. Extremely materialistic, also promoting the fact that "buy her a designer bag and she'll forget all about bitch mode and kiss your…. erm… feet"

More than a paradox, what the IPK CVs managed to do was show a progression in to modernism and westernization of our youth. From Khushi, to Sim, to Pam to Lavyanya, it was a circle of redemption that was drown, of how these girls could be brought back to the right way if an eligible man worth fighting for was presented on the platter (because at the end of the day that is what every woman needs…. But then what about lesbians?! But I digress) and they were shown that the old way was the only way.

What it also did was present a very distorted image of the working woman; taking feminism years back in most fathers thinking again whether their daughters could go out and earn a living if they wanted to or had to. It was around the same time that news came of a six pm curfew for women working in a city in India (I can't recall the exact city) because rape incidents had increased and the police force didn't want to take responsibility if a woman got raped. "Out after six and got raped; it's your fault Ma'am, we told you to stay indoors; we are here to protect the rapist not you."

Now atheism. All atheism has done, in my research in to the subject matter, is proved an immense amount of logic and given me faith in humanity, because most atheists believe in doing good for the sake of goodwill towards man not for some holy reward in the afterlife and no it does not propagate chaos, just like all religion does not promote harmony.

Atheism, just like any religion, deserves respect. If you expect the atheist to respect your beliefs (which he thinks are as full of crap as you think his beliefs are) then you should try doing the same, right? So if we can have shows about devout Hindu's and nice Muslims, why not atheism which is also a largely spreading belief system? Also, atheists only get their panties in a righteous twist when you start shoving your God down their throat. At other times they are awesome fun and very intelligent people.

And by giving in to stereotypes again and again, because it's easier to churn out a show five days a week, aren't we leading our viewers to hate generated out of ignorance and further intolerance by rooting this image deeper and deeper still? We as a nation already suffer from denial, do we really want to stay in it forever because its easier than allowing the change? Doesn't that just make us lazy?

Munchy's Note: Sometimes when you show extremes of an ideology (Communists, Capitalists, Nazi's, Muslim Terrorists, Guerillas, Rise of the Apes) it does serve to get your point across of just how dangerous it can be to the nation or humanity as a whole. But what threat does feminism pose? How can it be a threat when you don't allow the main points of feminism (female rights to vote, to earn a living, to her own body, who she marries and yes the right to don the burqah if she feels like it without the world giving her hell for what she chooses to wear (France!)) to come out but only let the audience think that feminism is about wearing skimpy clothes, partying hard, having no morals and no respect for anything, basically telling the world to farrak off.

What feminism does threaten is misogyny and patriarchy. It questions the system, questions women's worth in the universe, comes to the conclusion that women are vital and that is something that patriarchy cannot allow.

Science has gone through what are known as paradigm shifts; from geocentric (the universe revolves around the Earth) to heliocentric (O gosh we never realized we were going around the sun all this while!), from the world being flat to round all of a sudden and many many more. These shifts weren't easy to accept, it took a lot of time and effort for the mainstream thinking to change and acknowledge these beliefs as fact. So why are we so afraid for a Revolution in Humanities? We've done it before by accepting slavery was wrong, by realizing the color of the skin does not make one superior or inferior, then why is gender equality so hard to digest?

I leave you with something from the Matrix:

You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

Happy discussions!

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