IPK and Feminism Query#2 Page 36 - Page 14

Originally posted by: serialjunkie

<font color="#ff0000">And I'd also like to add for those who keep mentioning that it is a show and a money making project and shouldn't be taken so seriously or expected much of, Iunderstandand respect that but I think if we make a small effort on this forum to educate the masses like the production team doesn't have the time to it will balance things out a little. Because by excusing what their doing by saying it's just a business we're allowing these stereotypes to fester ad that is a very heavy price that we're paying. This is a small effort on my part to counteract that because I deplore ignorance andabhorspreading it like it's the truth.</font>

I will address this part.

I do not for a minute think that SP or PH do not understand the concept of a modern woman. They do and they willfully ignore it for commercial aspirations. Consumer vigilantism will help in changing the attitudes of capitalists as long as you can associate profit making with it.

I think entertainment businesses will not take on the mantle of social change unless forced to do so. There are two triggers or forces of change

1. Mass awareness, sustained pressure, and push back

2. government regulations

We know from the rise of Arab Spring that change can happen using Twitter, Facebook or other social media. SP will change when it senses the change in consumer tastes.

To be very honest, the ideas we decried here are still practiced and quite acceptable in the societies we live in. That is why you dont see the kind of shock factor needed to bring about change. We've become inured to social injustice around us because that is what we see everyday and accept is as just a way of life.

Heck, just yesterday this forum was so upset about Khushi that they turned against her and wanted to bitch-slap her. Why? Why don't I hear anyone demanding Arnav be slapped, castrated or reprimanded for his supposed crimes?

The evil does not reside with SP, the evil resides in us.

Originally posted by: shinaa

Okay munchy this is a vary serious discussion and i dont think i have the ability or the vocabulasy to describe what i feel about it but i am sharing my own experience here i am 22 and just compleated my graduation and i dream about bagging a good job or giving my parents a good life but whenever i try to discuss this whole unemployment problem with my brother or sometime s friends male freinds i mean i got the answer "tumlogoka kya hain agar job nahin mili to sadi kar lena problem to boys ko hoti hain" i hated this kind of words so nowaday i dont dis cuss anything with anybody because if i try to reason with them i will be tagged as feminist.

i just came across this thread right now

some deep thinking i like it, i just also saw your piece on lavanya and how men expect the "virgin bride"it got me thinking towards some of the men in my town or boys i went to high school with.A lot of the indian boys(and boys of other races) prefer to date Caucasian girls they will quote on quote "Have to marry a brown chick anyways"

Originally posted by: -publicenemy-

This is such a great post.

During the initial several months of the show, I remember having a great deal of affection for Khushi's character and feeling somewhat indifferent towards Lavanya. And I remember exactly when it changed and when in the span of several weeks, Khushi's character turned me off completely.

For someone like Khushi, who was portrayed as a girl who supposedly stood for morality and the principle of things, she was unable to resist ASR in those "weak moments" forgetting that he was another woman's boyfriend. Watching that almost-kiss scene between them by the pool before he was intercepted by that phone call - I think that was the moment when I checked out from being emotionally invested in Khushi's character. It became quite difficult to watch the "romantic" scenes thereafter because it essentially showed such blatant disregard for another woman's affections. It was incidentally also around the same time when Lavanya showed a genuine understanding of Khushi's predicament, in that moment when she happened upon what another comment referred to as the 'violence in the room'. For me, those were defining moments that distinguished the essence of the two women; who truly reflected more empathy and substance underneath and who seemed to me 'all talk' (admittedly partly due to her age and naivete, maybe). Regardless, the damage was already done...

You provided such a good deconstruction of the character, munchy... of all the characters whose potential remained unexplored, Lavanya's for me was the greatest loss.

-Devi

Originally posted by: Amrita_12

In bold - Completely agree with you.

ASR cheated on La with thoughts of Khushi which were present 24x7. Cheating is cheating in my book. Even if all that is in mind.

ASR reacted -vely after almost kissing Khushi on Diwali. Why? Was it because he felt guilty of cheating on La? No. It was because he couldnt believe that he could actually find Khushi desirable and lose control because of her. Not once did he think about his actions and their repercussions on La. His next action, announcing his intention of marrying La, in fact cemented my earlier belief - ASR is nothing but an absolute arse with good looks.

Now lets analyse the situation from Khushi's angle.

She felt shattered after the incident. I too as an audience felt shattered and called ASR all sorts of names for his inhuman behaviour. As an audience I was ecstatic as I got 1 of my most fav & effective Rabba Veys (till date) and as a human being I was left feeling horrified. Khushi - the epitome goodness & all things great :P, not even once, was shown feeling guilty of her own actions & intentions. She cried over everything but she didnt think, even once, that the person whom she almost kissed is her best friend's boy friend. What she did was nothing short of cheating & betrayal. Who almost kisses their bestie's BF not feel any guilty? Not even the remotest bit? Certainly not holier than thou characters like Khushi. Then what happened? La didnt deserve any better because she used to wear short dresses and used to be quite bitchy with people at times? She didnt deserve any better because she initially did not believe in marriage and was happy being in a live-in relationship with a man she was in love with? What happened to 'Nayi Soch' SP? Left it at the presentation room or sales meeting room?

The kiss got interrupted, otherwise Khushi was 100% on for it. Thats cheating. 100% cheating.

Khushi was equally guilty of disrespecting La as a human being. According to me, she owed La an apology. A big one. She should have admitted to La that she had once crossed the line with Arnav while he was still with La. She should have apologised for it but she didnt. Epic shame!

On another note, La was also quite the airhead. All the signs of something brewing between Khushi and Arnav were there right in front of her eyes yet she remained blind to everything till things between the lead became almost palpable. Why was La so blind to the things around her? More than spending time with ASR, she was worried about spending time with Chamkili & ASR's family.

Why this lack of direction creatives, why?

It is too early for me to decide whether I am a 'non-beliver' or not, so I cannot comment on atheism. The way I see it, God is a fully functoning being, who helps me pass my maths exams. Nothing else. Period.