IP REDUX; Devil's Advocate !!!

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Today, I must tell you something. I have always seen whenever I write something the previous day, it gets executed on me the very next day. Remember yesterday I said about "Knowledge Sharing" and today that happened with me exactly. You want to know how??? Well my everyday morning ritual is a small talk with my Parents and today they both were kind of tired and sounded dull; it is always them who provide me the energy to start the day. Today it was kind of different and their gloomy mood affected me also. I knew I have to open Redux and when I watched the episode then I realized the tracks are all fine; they are going well. But then somewhere I was not at in a mood to pen down much unlike yesterday. Yesterday as I said I wanted to write because I was thrilled and numb with the conclusion. Then Pam messaged me like she does daily in messenger because she needs to be in touch to reserve the space, right??? Then I requested her to take the charge today as I am in no mood to write. Being a true friend she agreed to take over and do a detailed analysis but I told her I'll try to write. She said you will when you'll crack the episode. I replied I know the episode, it's very flat and on the face. Nothing extra like yesterday BUT important. After some time Tant messaged me in messenger and asked me how am I??? I said - "I am Bored" and I am equally bored to write again why Maami is the 7th Angel. Then Tant told me why don't I write from "Devil's Advocate" angle??? I was like oh yeah, why didn't I look at it from different angle??? Of course, Maami to become the 7th Angel, she needs to prove herself as the Devil's Advocate. I was searching an alternative title for 7th Angel, but Tant gave me exactly what I needed since morning. "Energy" to get charged up and write this analysis. Isn't it??? See this is what you call is "Knowledge Sharing". We both were thinking in the same direction and our goals were the same but we were flowing like two opposite rivers directed towards the ocean, which is a "Library". This is what I mentioned yesterday about "Sharing".


So, "Devil's Advocate" is it. Now let me count. How many of you voted for ASR and how many of you voted for Maami??? Widen the thought process and see the broader picture everywhere. How can that be ASR??? He is one of the players here and not the JUDGE. Remember this. Khushi, Shyam and Arnav are the major players where we have one side the team of Khushi and Arnav and the other side is Shyam. Before I clear the confusion let me explain what is Devil's Advocate. I was in for the latest version but then Tant forced me dig in my encyclopedia to see the oldest version. Let me explain both the versions:-


Latest Version:- Devil's Advocate generally is when a person takes the path of a contradictory angle as opposed to the actual angle that he/she actually intended in the first place and then prove the point. This in a way they take the side of the opposition but prove the defendant.

Original Version:- Well this is more like "Undercover". The original version is in the Catholic Community. They used this method when a person is needed to declare as "Saint" or majorly whenever the time comes for searching the suitable candidate for Pope. Then a person is appointed popularly known as the "Devil's Advocate" whose job is to argue against the "Canonization" of the candidate. The devil's advocate is actually appointed in secrecy by the cardinals. The candidates never come to know that there is a person appointed as Devil's Advocate to counterattack their position. Here the important thing is only the cardinals will be aware of the person appointed as devil's advocate who will be responsible to provide evidence about the candidates regarding their truth, past, conduct, commitment and checks their antecedents, their current faith and makes his/her own decision which is accepted by the cardinals. Now, this is why Devil's Advocate is important. For the modern people this is more like an "Undercover" assignment.


Both the above versions are correct here and both are same too. But the original one is more appropriate when it will be needed to prove Khushi and Arnav's stance and innocence in front of the Raizada family members.


Can one preach at home inequality of races and nations and advocate abroad good-will towards all men? ~ Dorothy Thompson


Now you all realizing why we are witnessing the way Raizada family members are suspecting the bond between Maami and Khushi??? Since last Monday we are seeing the members of the Raizada family and also Gupta family are suspecting this bondage between the most and least expected pair - "Maami and Khushi". Yes, it was Maami who always rebuked and ridiculed Khushi and her family and her antics. The major indications that Naani and the rest of Raizada family members will believe Maami's "document" about Khushi and Arnav was given yesterday when Naani said to Maami when she informed about going to the SPA - "Khushi bitiya ke saath??? Aap ki tabiyaat toh thik hai naa"??? Then Anjali said - "Aaj kal Maami aur Khushiji ki Bond kaafi strng ho gayi hain"??? Then on Tuesday we saw Maami almost declared about Khushi being in trouble in front of the family and was witnessed by all. These small details in the episodes will be effective the day when the truth will be out and it will be this 7th Angel who will prove Khushi's innocence and the entire Truth. To become 7th Angel, Maami needs to pass the examination of being Devil's Advocate. This is the phase where Maami is gathering all the necessary information which she will provide when the need arises. Does Khushi know that Maami is the Devil's Advocate here??? No, she doesn't. Does Khushi even know that Maami is the 7th Angel here and she will be the one blowing the trumpet?? No, she doesn't.


Everyone knows the equation that Maami and Khushi share with each other and this is the reason I supported Gautam when he made Maami the 7th Angel. One reader asked me that why will everyone believe when Maami will say the truth and when there were Naani and others to be the 7th Angel as they know and love Khushi better than Maami isn't it??? Yes, she did ask me this question and this is a very valid one IMO. But, the answer actually lied in her question only. There were 7 dwarfs or angels I said, right??? And out of the 7 there only Maami is the one who dislikes Khushi and so, whenever the truth would come then Maami will be the first one to contradict that. Very logical isn't it??? Whereas now since Maami is used as the "Devil's Advocate" to gather information against Khushi and her motives and prove that she is not suitable for the judgment, what will happen whe she will find that Khushi all the necessary documents in favor of Khushi??? Of course you all guessed it right. The entire "Cardinals" which is the Raizadas here will believe Maami since no one would ever predict her even to support Khushi. On the other hand it will be Maami, who will blow the trumpet about Shyam as she will be one of the witnesses to Shyam's truth and today it was indicated. We don't need Maami to support Khushi in front of Arnav as there will be "NO Misunderstanding" between Arnav and Khushi; after the "Union of Souls" if any sort of MU arise then the entire "Soul Union" will be "NULLIFIED". We need the Devil's Advocate here to see the true facet of Shyam Manohar Jha and his master plans and to prove the "Stand and the Innocence" of Khushi and Arnav in front of the entire Raizada Family. This is why we need Maami as the "Devil's Advocate.


Let us come to the episode. The events that I am going to unfold is already known to you all as I have laid all the tracks but today we have got many such confirmations that will thrill you no doubt. Well first I need to explain you why I said that there will be no MU between Arnav and Khushi as I remember that I have mentioned in the analysis "Labyrinth" that we require one last MU between them. But that was before the CVs did "Union of Souls". Since their souls have been united now, that option is SCRAPPED. Just read the analysis "Labyrinth" analysis if you want to know the MU was needed at that point. But now, NO. As now it will be the "David-Solomon" story and "Fox and Goat" with "Wolf and Lamb" story that have started today as indicated.


Now, I am not pasting the excerpts here but if you have any doubts regarding the stories then check my earlier analysis - "Tremors, Will o Wisp, Union of Souls, Parineeta and Fables" analysis.All the stories that I stated above have been explained in details. Here I will touch on the connection and the links in today's episode.Read me carefully here.


According to the David - Solomon story, Arnav and Khushi needed to team up to fight Shyam and bring out the true picture in front of the 2 witnesses; one of them will be the "7th Angel". It always requires 2 witnesses to disclose the truth but it also requires 3 people to establish a truth. I will go in SEQUENCE in the tracks here and not scene wise so just read me along.


When Khushi and Maami were in the "Toy Shop" playing hide and seek with the kidnapper's man, then Khushi trapped him by putting a "Key" in his pocket and she escaped the place along with Maami. But later on she disclosed the plan to her after escaping from the shop. Right??? Now, remember in all my above mentioned analysis I mentioned the story of "Fox and Goat" and "Wolf and Lamb" will take place??? Didn't I say that??? Yes, today they confirmed this track. What is key here???


Key:- Truth. Key is also the truth that Shyam will use to trap Khushi which is also the "Will".


Shyam will now use the "Truth" about how Khushi helped him in signing the Will and try to create a misunderstanding in Arnav's mind. But, the question is will Arnav believe that??? No. he won't because we have the David-Solomon story here which will be between Khushi and Arnav. What does David-Solomon story say here??? Yes, it says with David's advice his wife Bethsheeba will finally make their son Solomon King and then bring down the evil Adonija. Hence, we saw in the precap that Arnav is "Blindfolded". Did you all notice the perfect target that ASR was throwing to all the men??? Here is what indicated will happen. Arnav will play along with Shyam and make him believe that what Shyam is saying is indeed true; this will also provide the much needed boost that Shyam will need. Remember the office dialogue of Shyam to Khushi??? He said - "Hum toh sach hi bolenge; yeh bolenge ke aap kaise humhein phasaanya" and then he continued in saying that "Arnav aap se jyaada humaare baaton pe bharosa karta hain". Ohh yeah, indeed. This is where the "Union of Souls" is important between Arnav and Khushi. Then we have the "Fox and the Goat" with "Wolf and the Lamb" story between Shyam and Khushi.


Fox and the Goat:- Shyam will trap Khushi with the Will in front Arnav; he will do out of insecurity when he will learn that Khushi has started to suspect him. Always remember thieves start acting weirdly when they are almost at the verge of getting caught.

Wolf and the Lamb:- Khushi will play like Lamb with "Shyam's fake Will truth" only like the way she did keep the "Truth (Key)" in the pocket of the kidnapper and trapped him in his own trap at the Toy shop. Isn't it??? What the owner said??? "Le jaao iss chor ko yahan se". This is how Shyam will blurt out the truth at the "Terrace Confrontation".


Business wise I support this track as it is a sure shot to shoot up the TRP. Look at the logic here. There are only some 15000+ readers who come to Redux and they might know the actual track ahead. But there are Millions of Viewers who doesn't know the actual game plan of the Creative Team and hence it will be sure shot track for the rest of the viewers to be glued to the television sets; isn't it??? Here every one will think the "Villain" is playing nicely and will have no clue on why ASR misunderstanding Khushi, only to be learnt at the end that ASR was playing it and believing Shyam blindly and purposefully so that Shyam's true facet can come out at the front. This is also when ASR will prove how innocent Khushi is and he will be the one to clear the "Mrs. ASR" dialogue himself. Fantastic, isn't it??? I know and there are some more.


Now after Shyam's true facet comes out front, he will attack Arnav at the terrace. The "Confirmation" of the Terrace Confrontation came today. Remember when Maami and Khushi were standing in front of the construction building what happened??? They were attacked by a "cemented block" up from the terrace which was triggered by a person. Khushi then saved Maami's life isn't it??? Khushi and Maami was about to leave that place but she saw the probable attack and then she saved Maami. Then Khushi got the phone call and she realized that it was not an Accident but an intentional one. Khushi said to Maami - "Maamiji 2 min pehle jo inn logone kahan ki accident hai, woh nehin hain balki jaan bujhke humhein chot pahuchana chahta hain". Yes, she said 2 things here. One, 2 mins and other hurt. Isn't it??? This is what will happen in the terrace.


Number 2:- Double portion, double witness, division

Number 3:- Completion . Divine and also it requires 3 people to witness truth and establish a LAW ; 3 is also Spirit, Soul and Body


Hence, there will be 2 witnesses of the terrace confrontation. Maamiji and NK, is my guess. What I say always??? We need 2 people to witness the truth but 3 people to establish the law. Then what happened in the auto??? Remember what Maami said??? She said - "Arnav bitwa tumhari husband baad mein hain pehle woh humri nephew hain". How will she become the 7th Angel if she doesn't be the Devil's Advocate first??? Did you ever realize what will be Maami's situation when she will learn the truth at the terrace??? She will devastated not noly because of Arnav but because of Anjali, isn't it??? What will be her situation??? The whole time she would be alongside Khushi in search of Arnav and untimately will witness that it is Khushi herself who is the reason Anajli's married life is destroyed or rather it is all along Shyam's master plan??? Answer me???This is when it will Arnav who will explain that Khushi is also another victim of Shyam Manhar Jha like Anjali. This is when the true facet of Shyam will come in the front and the reason of this sudden wedding. yes, as I said it takes 3 people to establish the "Truth" and the 3rd person is non-other than Arnav himself. Hence, the "Truth" of Shyam will be revealed at the terrace and that was confirmed today.


It is then at the terrace where Khushi will be hurt and Arnav's repentance will start. How??? Maami blew the trumpet today. Let me take you to the Kidnapper's place. There when the kidnapper was on the phone how he trapped Khushi and Maami??? He said - "signal nehin aa raha hain, bahar jake baat karta hoon". Right??? this is how he will set the trap and Khushi will jump in. We saw that he pointed a gun towards Khushi and we also saw there is place Maami declared Arnav's repentance. Yes, and now you have read the last part of my analysis of "Union of Souls". There I have described Arnav's "Rain Pain" track, right??? what was the place and the numbers of food was delivered???


Place:- 72, Dariya Ganj which means "River Bank" which is the place the water and land merges. 72 number is Victory and the fall of Satan, i.e; Shyam after the Ramayan track.

Number of food items:- 3

Number of plates:- 2 times 8

Number of person Maami said:- 1

Amount:- 2 times 500 = 1000


This is when Khushi will be hurt at the terrace while saving Arnav and his repentance of ASR will start as declared by the 7th Angel. Notice here, it is Maami who said the numbers "1 and 8" whereas Khushi said the place "Dariyaganj". 8 is the number of repentance and 1 is the number of unity; There are 2 times number 8 and 2 times number 5.Hence, there will be 2 Repentance Tracks for ASR. One for Khushi and other for Anjali. The "Victory" over Shyam will coincide with his repentance for Anjali and this is when Arnav will be freed by 7th Angel of every guilt.


Arnav being a dragonfly will be near the water, isn't it??? Remember the phone call between Khushi and Maami??? Where I said the numbers 10, 2 and 3 and the last address where there is no home??? Yes, this will be the time the "Terrace to Middle of the Road to Temple" will happen. After the terrace attack Khushi and Maami were in the middle of the road where Maami wanted to head home but Khushi insisted for the kidnapper's place and there Maami declared the repentance for Arnav which will be near the River banks. Where most of the temples are situated??? Near the River Banks, isn't it???Isn't it interesting??? I know this is and we will have a hell of a ride.


Here goes that verse again as I mentioned in the "Union of Souls" analysis:-

Rev 10:2:- And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

Rev 10:3:- and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke.

Who is water and left??? It's Khushi and who is Land and right??? It's Arnav. Who is in the last address where there is no home and chauraha ??? Yes, it's Middle of the Road and there is Arnav. Who gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion ??? Yes, It's Arnav. What happened then??? The voices of seven thunders spoke , which is RAIN.


So, proven the theory??? Now after this we need the number 4 uttered by Maami which will indicate the "Earthly Union".


After this Shyam will learn the actual details of the Will and then his next game plan of attacking the baby in the womb will start. That was also confirmed today as per the "Python and Dragonfly" theory I explained yesterday. Just remember the address today Khushi found out in the 3rd parlour. Did you all realize that Khushi and Naani went to 3 Tattoo parlors??? Yes, there are 3 Dragonflies, isn't it??? Let's see what the address said:-


H.No.:- 2/2

Place:- Saket, which means heaven.


What did I say about the bank phone message??? Saket is heaven, right??? What is heaven for Shyam??? The property, the palace and the money. Right??? yes, and the house no says 2/2.It means there will be 2 attacks on 2 babies and Shyam will finitely try to do that but will be be successful??? No. here is the reason why. Now let me take you to the "Toy Shop". What happened there??? Didn't Khushi and Maami were playing "hide and seek" with the kidnapper??? Yes, yes, like whom??? Wasn't this the "Python and Apollo" story I mentioned yesterday??? Yes, I did.


Now you all must be asking me why this hide and seek with Shyam; I said this is where the Mary Elizabeth story and the hideout of baby Moses will happen for 3 months at Seesh Mahal, remember??? The HINT was given when I had stopped writing and didn't tell you then. Let me unfold it now and I will close this analysis. Allow me.


Remember when the delivery of medicines happened from "Royal Medical"??? Why Royal??? Because they are Royal Babies. The courier came and it was received by Anjali and given the responsibility to Khushi. Isn't it??? Yes, what Anjali said then you all remember??? She said - "har 3 months mein chote ki dawaai hum mangwa lete Royal Medical se". And do you all remember that what Maami said then before Anjali came to receive the medicines. Maami said - "Ka pata kahin safed rumaal mein khoon ka daag naa ho"??? Yesterday when I described about Apollo what did I say??? That Apollo is known to be associated with medicines and healing. Isn't it??? When the second attack will happen on Anjali, then Shyam will be made believe that the babies are DEAD and that is why we see Maami's dialogue fits here. Yes, here is the trick of the address also.


Yesterday, the pattern of the house numbers were different but today it is said that Shyam will be under the impression that he have been successful in killing the baby and that is why the number is 2/2. Shyam will think that the "Miscarriage" have happened only to find later on that he was tricked. Here is the Mary Elizabeth track will start when Anjali will give the trial period to Shyam as according to 40 and then the 3 dragonflies, Arnav, Khushi and Anjali will have their hideout at Seeshmahal and play hide and seek with Shyam. This is when Khushi will take care of the babies for 3 months (not literally). The Python will eventually realize that he was tricked by the 3 dragonflies and will chase Anjali so that she cannot deliver but she will. Now, this is the reason we saw Maami and Khushi at the toy shop and Maami and Khushi adored the toys there. After the delivery we will have the Ramayan track and Shyam's imprisonment as indicated yesterday.



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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey Girls...


First of all, I really want to apologize for reserving a space on Page 1 and then not writing ! Frankly, I have no idea what to write about yesterday's episode... as when I first saw it, it seemed like a filler to me ! But then I read Dood's analysis and the whole thing started to make sense to me ! 👏

Doods, what a super title for Maami... Devil's Advocate ! It just amazes me how you connect everything beautifully... that an episode like yesterday's also starts making sense !!!
Thank you... 🤗

As you said, Maami is going to play a major role when it comes to showing Khushi's truth, her honesty, her love for Arnav... not just to Arnav but to the whole Raizada clan when the time comes... for she is the witness of Khushi's love and concern and stubbornness when it comes to finding Arnav.

The other witness will be NK... but then his words won't have as much weightage as Maami's 'cos everyone knows NK has always had a soft spot for Khushi; but Maami on the other hand has never liked Khushi... right from Day 1. And for that person to stand up for Khushi will be a zor ka jhatka for the Raizada's.

Pam, Bush, Nia... super posts as usual ! Will read up more later !!

❤️



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Doods,

What an apt title!!! When I read the title of "Devils advocate", I went and reread the definition on Wiki. That time, the only thought that crossed my mind was that it was "Mami". Thank you for confirming it. Also, as promised I did try to do a detailed analysis but below is all I could decipher from the episode today but then I also knew you were going to write as you got your energy back so was relaxed. 😊.


Below is my analysis:

Agar humko kuch hui gawa, to arnav bitwas kabhi zindagi ma free hoyi na payi


A sentence which defined the complete role that Mami is going to play in the coming confrontation. The future that we see has two major parts: First is the Khushi's- Shyam truth in front of Arnav from the horse's mouth itself and the other is Shyam's truth in front of the family.


Today, Mami witnessed Khushi stubbornness in finding Arnav. Even after being threaten by the kidnapper, she was not fazed in her motive. Her only goal was to find her husband. When Mami tried to intervene, citing their safety, Khushi was ready to travel the path alone in finding him because he is more important to her than anything. She was not bothered even about her own life because she want to save his. Mami has witnessed Khushi's pain, tears, sadness, restlessness and today she witnessed her determination in finding Arnav. Thus, Mami now knows that Khushi is very attached to Arnav and he has beceome an essential part of her life. Soon Khushi and Mami are going to find Arnav. It might not be an easy search but they will succeed. This will lead to the confrontation between Khushi and Shyam, it might be at the end of the kidnapping or after another MU between the Arnav and Khushi due to the will papers. But whenever it is, as today Khushi saved Mami, she is going to save Arnav from Shyam and get hurt in the process which might result in Khushi hospitalization as indicated today.


Mami is not a person who keeps things to herself and she is going to let Arnav know about Khushi's struggle during his kidnapping. She is going to make him aware of the depth of Khushi's feelings, her devotion and this will begin Arnav's repentance. This was indicated by the use of Number 8 (aath manchurian) by Mami which means Redemption. Thus, Mami is also going to witness Arnav's pain, his restlessness and his struggle to forgiev himself for the sins he is committed against his Khushi. She is also going to understand the depth of his feelings for his wife. Thus, circumstances are going to make her a sole witness to the deep love that exist between Khushi and she is going to play a major role in uniting them as was indicated by the use of Number 1 which denotes unity. (ek aadmi aur aath manchurian)


The question then arises is "Why she needs to be witness to their love?". The answer is Shyam and his duplicity. Shyam is one clever person, he knows the pulse of each RM member and he knows how to play them especially Anjali. When he realizes the smart move Arnav played on him regarding the will, he might in his frustration reveal the truth about their contract to the family to save himself which will give rise to social stigma. That time, it will be Mami who will reveal the depth of their love to the family as she has been the witness to Khushi's struggle during Arnav's kidnapping and Arnav's repentance during Khushi's hospitalization, thus protecting Arnav and Khushi and the result would be the "Big fat Indian wedding"


Mami is also going to be made aware of the truth of Shyam and his duplicity. She is then going to be the Devil's advocate in bringing the truth in front of the family in spite of Khushi and Arnav's objection as she said today "Yeh koi khel nahin hain". For her, Anjali's life is very important and she will never be in favor of keeping such a big betrayal a secret from the family. She does not believe in falsehood and thus, knowingly or unknowingly she might blow the trumpet about Shyam in front of the family thus giving rise to another flood in RM.


PS:

I could not reply to all the analysis and replies but read them all and as usual they were wonderful. It amazes me always of how different people look at the episode differently and come up with various outlooks.👏👏


PS2: I will not be analyzing tomorrow, so see all back on Monday.



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Posted: 13 years ago
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*Phone rings*

Hello...

Hello mummy they caught me for theft..I am in jail help me..I need bail

Stupid how did this happen...

Mummy the girl fooled me...I don't know how she managed to squeeze a keychain in my body fitted clothes..i dunno how the pockets became so loose and hung open that I did not feel it going in..*waaaiin*

Damn you!!! You know na we have a very phukkar client...he has just given us 500,000 for 8 people plus I have had to hire a
new one too with a better physique *see in pre-cap*..after your paunches and Moobs were commneted on

Mummy not fair that guy is not as young as us...and has less hair too

So what? at least he is fitter and looks more presentable

Mummy help me...

You know I don't have enough money...I still move around in auto cannot afford a car..I am a small time goon who just bought a new shirt and now I have to invest in a lice shampoo too otherwise once i put my hand in my hair it doesn't come out for a long time...

Mummy please otherwise i won't tell you that I got an epiphany that the girl will be visiting your house ( oh shit I just told you)

Really hmmm I might succeed in winning her heart this time..*let me go do stretches and cat walk in front of her and impress her with my stylish English accent...no one can match my style of saying NAAIIIT work*

*phone cut*

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The episode today:

My brainwa is on strike mode so will not connect tracks...but will just put down a few things that stood out..

1...denotes primacy, sovereignty, divine completeness or perfection.

8...It is the number of salvation, resurrection, and new birth/regeneration.

500 meaning 5...This is the number of divine grace.


Mami's dialogs:

he is my nephew before your hubby
Agar humain kucho hogaya to Arnav bitwa saari zindagi free nahin hon payen ge
tum heroine ban jao gi aur hum side heroine
and then number 1 and 8

Implies: she will play a big role in the salvation of Arnav by telling him the complete truth as he will believe in her more than KKG..KKG cannot be
Arnav's heroine unless mami clarifies

Mami/Khushi's convo:

bach gaye
suraksha ka praband

Implies...attack on baby will be unsuccessful and mami and khushi will do suraksha ka praband..

Key chain got kidnapper in trouble...
meaning the truth will be out soon getting shyamu'in trouble.

Address:

Vimal Roy
2/2
Saket

vimal means protector
roy means king or ruler
2/2...two fold
saket ...a place where God resides also Saket was the ancient
name of the city of Ayodhya, an important Hindu religious place, said to be the place of residence for Lord Rama

Implying 2 attacks both thwarted by
Arnav the protector who is the ruler of the house in his place of residence RM

delivered at daryagang
dragon flies lay their eggs by water...as doods also mentioned...

My brain stopped working...will try CPR...will be back if works🤢

A note of appreciation:
Who ever chose the extras for the tattoo parlor scene...good work... the bubble gum girl was the best and acted well...please kidnappers bhi achay lelete...well never mind


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Hi guys!

I have some time on hands, so will jot down a few of my thoughts.

DB's Title for today's Redux had me thinking last night who was the 'Devil's Advocate' here. I oscillated between ASR and Maami. But Maami seemed to fit better with this title. Why? Well, I looked up the origin of Devil's Advocate and found that

1. A Devil's Advocate takes up a side of an argument that he/she may not necessarily agree with just for the sake of the argument.

2. In the old days of the Roman Catholic Church, cardinals of the Church would appoint a person as a Devil's Advocate to counter the canonization of a candidate.

Now, the above descriptions fit Maami perfectly, since she is the unbiased one in this whole game. She is the one who has entered the game without even knowing the background of why the game is present in the first place! She is the one who is not even aware about who the players are, what their motives are, and what is the motive behind it all! She is the one who has for so long been kept to one side, her talents hidden and her mind unexplored.

I like that the CV's have brought Maami into this since she has been the one person who never got attached to either Shyam or Khushi. Since this game right now mainly revolves around Shyam-Arnav-Khushi, we know Maami already adores Arnav and is on a similar wavelength as him. However, the other two candidates in this game Shyam and Khushi are two people Maami was never close to. We have never seen her bonding with them in the past, and she has always maintained an emotional distance from them.

Now, when you have an emotional distance with someone, you tend to see that person without feelings, and emotions to sway your view about them. As humans, we tend to judge people's character. When you are emotionally clouded you tend to rely on your feelings more than practical thinking. So, with Maami seeing Khushi and Shyam from an unemotional point-of-view, her judgement about them remains strong and unbiased.

However, the recent events have brought Khushi and Maami closer together, but even then you can see that Maami, though she has softened a bit toward Khushi, still maintains a slight distance between them. She knows that if she gets too close to Khushi, or if she lets down her guard it may mess things up. Maami is one practical woman! Her advice 'emotional mat ho', 'ghar pe kisko pata bhi nahin hai ki hum arnav bituwa ko dhoondath hai' etc. all show how pertinent her points are and how she will always rely on practicality rather than emotions.

Yes, she joined Khushi in the auto, but she couldn't let the girl just go all alone like that, especially when danger was swinging over their heads. Her emotional side did take over there, plus Khushi's stubbornness didn't help matters much!

Maami is the strongest person now to testify about Khushi and Shyam. All because she maintained a distance from them. This is also known by all RM and GH members. Maami has always been honest, straightforward and frank. She has always made it clear how much she disliked the GH members. So, when she open her mouth in favour of Khushi there is no option for the others except to believe her since she was the one who taunted and spoke condescendingly about Khushi all this time.

Maami as the Devil's Advocate will stand up and support Khushi when the time comes. She has been receiving enough proofs about Khushi's feelings for Arnav. She has seen Khushi going through enough risks to rescue Arnav. She has witnessed Khushi going on with her search no matter how dangerous the situation is. As for Shyam, she has always remarked about his absence in the initial episodes, Maami mostly always hits the right mark, her sharp eyes, smart brain, and methodical and practical thinking mostly always helps her hit the target spot on!

Maami has displayed her flair for connecting the dots previously too.
When she gets to know the whole truth about Shyam, she will connect the dots quickly with her razor sharp brain and memory, combine it with Khushi's endeavours to find Arnav and will arrive at the correct conclusion - that Shyam has been tricking everyone all along.

Maami being Maami will be all for disclosing the truth to the rest of the family members. We saw in the previous few episodes where she is about to tell the truth about Arnav to the RM people. She is not one to keep falsehood, and treachery within the walls of RM. Though she might have been the brunt of criticisms and sharp remarks, Maami values the household and will stand up for the truth under any circumstance.

Shyam's net is really closing in on him. Arnav, Khushi, Maami, Bauji (a bit later)... not to forget, his own vanity, pride, over-confidence, big mouth and ego - they are all going to serve him one big fantastic blow!

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I would have loved to decode the hints, but sigh... time doesn't permit me that luxury today!

However, I noted one very interesting thing in the episode. When Khushi and Maami hear the kidnapper unlocking the door to his house, both turn in a clockwise direction.

The clockwise direction has numerous significances attached to it. It is a journey from the doorstep of God, that leads you to the inner sanctum and lastly to the sacred part of life. It is also seen as evolution, each step forward in clockwise direction helps you evolve in life, one step closer to progress in life. It symbolizes the journey of life, the steps taken forward in each phase of life. Birds too generally follow this pattern when they fly. They take a clockwise direction as they rise higher in the sky.

Khushi and Maami are on a similar path. The path to Arnav, the path to uncovering the truth, the path to establishing the right and the wrong, the innocent and the devil. They have already set out on their journey, they have already taken few steps forward, but they are yet to reach the end. Their wits, presence of mind, smartness and togetherness will help them onward. They will not fail, they moved in the tandem, in the same direction - and they will replicate this in the days to come.

Edited to add:


Oh sorry, I didn't say why I thought of ASR as Devil's Advocate, na? Well, part of me feels that he will be the Devil's advocate for Khushi. He has got enough proof about her love for him, though I won't put it past him to get into ASR 'mind control' mood again - but very less chances of that happening, since once you've given yourself over to love, submitted yourself to that emotion and accepted the truth of love, it needs a BIG wound to get you back into your old mode. So, Arnav the lover may be present even after Shyam spouts out about the will and Khushi's hand in it - but Arnav should know Khushi enough by now to know that it is only slippery Shyam's doing! The moment he turned around to return to Khushi in the moment was the moment he became Devil's Advocate. Thanks DB for bringing this as the title - it has a nice ring to it, and sound too nice! 😊


Nia 😊
Edited by Nia.D - 13 years ago
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There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting.
-Buddha

Doodsie,
I think I have cracked the code here. I am hoping that I am on right path
1.Devil's Advocate: In this series who else can it be other then ASR
2.Devil: Ofcourse Shyam
3.Motive: He wants get to the root of the problem, the advocate here is wearing the coat NOT to win the case or not for simply argument sake but to determine the validity of the cause.



Edited by mommamia - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Loving the title..
One of my favourites

"Sometimes in life there comes a time, when you cannot differentiate wrong from right

All that happens gives you more pain, and leaves your heart in despair

You can be a coward and run from your problems

You can also let yourself drown in your sorrows

If you stand up and face your hardships

The End will always be worth the Journey"

This is what we are witnessing right now. We are seeing Payal and Khushi facing the challenges which life has to offer. On the surface what Payal is facing looks petty.. where khushi is faced with life-death situation, Payal is faced with her insecurities..

If we look deeper then we will see what Payal is facing is a huge obstacle for her and it will be a life changing event for her.. She may lose the love of her life.. She may lose one thing she has valued most.. Family, love and acceptance.. Payal is not a weak person, but presently she is feeling overwhelmed by the challenge.. And letting her insecurities get better of her..

Khushi also is facing a life altering event.. If she is unsuccessful she will lose one person she loves the most.. She will lose her faith in Devi Maiyya.. So far she has been able to say that DM has thought of something good for her, deep down she still believes that..But if Arnav is taken away from her, will she ever be able to forgive DM?? Who took everyone she held closest to her heart.. Her amma, bauji and now Arnav ji? Khushi is facing her problems head on.. She is not ready to back down at any cost.. One may ask why? Because Khushi knows the value of people who have left her.. the people who never come back.. Shashi gupta and garima were able to shelter her and ease her misery then.. But if she loses her Arnav Ji, she knows she will be inconsolable.. NO OTHER MAN can take his place.. Therefore, doesn't matter what perils await, she will find her SOLACE in Arnav.. He is the light at the end of the tunnel.. He is THE ONE who will make every hardship she faces today worth..

Coming to the episode..

It starts with the detectives finally finding the next clue to locate Arnav.. They come out of the tattoo parlour and are waiting outside a building under construction.. where Khushi notices some dirt falling on her shoulder which makes her look up, only to notice a log of wood about to fall on mami..She rescues mami..

If we look at the dirt or dhool.. it is associated with the saying.. aankhoin mein dhool jhonkna.. Meaning to make a fool out of somebody or basically cheating somebody.. so we can be pretty sure that Shyam will again try to weasel his way out of this and try to emerge righteous.. Only this time Khushi is vigilant and observant.. She is aware of what is happening around her and will not be easily fooled.

The threatening phone call served as the final reminder and also a renewal of Shyam's threat to khushi in Arnav's office that if she tries to come in his way, then he will not spare her this time.. He had proven in that office scene that he values money and property above her.. He will not spare even her whose love is supposedly flowing in his veins, if she is the obstacle in the path of his greed..

They enter the toy shop and Khushi is able to trap the goon smartly in his own trap.. a fate which Shyam will suffer.. He will be entangled in his own web, which he has so carefully woven..

Maybe I am over analysing here.. but when Khushi warns mami peeche mat mudiye.. It felt as if she was telling Mami that please do not revert back to your past perceptions.. but look forward from now on and draw new conclusions..

The conversation between Mami and Khushi was significant.. Both women are now aware of the stakes being higher and the game of cat and mouse getting dangerous..

The rational one that is mami,of course, is for a moment concerned about their safety, but only because if something happens to them then nobody will know that Arnav is in trouble..

The love lost one is beyond reason and logic.. her only concern is to find her SOULMATE safe. Otherwise how will she look at herself in the eyes and answer, how was she able to leave a part of her soul behind.. She is ASR's equal.. She has always stood up to him.. She will not change now.. He risked his life to save her.. How can she not risk her life to save him?? They are truly EQUALS..

But the rational one returned by her side because she knows that this love lost creature cannot do this on her own.. she needs help and guidance.. She also points out that her association with Arnav is longer than Khushi.. She may be the wife but she is like his mother.. And who can ever compare both the relation.. Both the mother and wife is equally protective of their son or husband respectively..

But their conversation will definitely lead them to involve someone trustworthy into their plans.. Possible entry of NK.. 😊

In the kidnappers house.. When they hide from him.. I enjoyed when mami covers her face with the saree.. So she will be a witness to a confrontation behind the curtains.. And Khushi will probably get hurt during that confrontation..

Once again we are left at the cliff hanger with Khushi being held at gunpoint..

The precap:::: 😍😍


Enjoy 😊


Love

Kopal
Edited by Chani123 - 13 years ago
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For Khushi,

Jab Jab Piya Ki Sudh Jage, Bisaron Nija ko Bhaan|
Nahi Sudhi Bhhokh Piyaas Ki, Nahi Sukh Dukh Ko Gyaan||
~ Shyam Lal Sharma

Translation - When I'm reminded of my beloved, I forget my welfare. I do not care for my thirst or hunger nor do I know about what is joy or sorrow.

Meaning/Interpretation - Khushi was restless when she felt Arnav was in some kind of trouble... now that she knows what has happened...her only aim is safety of her husband. So till she is with him or he is with her safe and sound... she will be like this...a fish without water.

Sudh budh bhool lagi hai jis khoj mein,
Raah woh aasaan nahin hogi kisi bhi kon se|
Doono ko rehna hoga saavdhaan, sar par mandraa raha hai khatra anjaan|
Mami ki baat hai solah aane sach, phas gaye to Arnav bhi nahi paayega bach|
Lagan hai aisi ki nahi koi ab parvaah,
Jaan bhi jokhim mein daal lagaana chahti hai pata|
Nahin manana chahti Khushi Mami ka sujhaav,
Majbooran Mami ko hi karna hoga bachaav|
Bina taiyaari kadam hai rakha ek ghaneri maand mein,
Soch samajh kar na chalane ka parinaam bhi hai saamane...
Kuch logon ko jeevan ki aise hi milati seekh...
Muft ka paramarsh lagati hai bheek!, yadi samajhte to dikhta isme dono ka hit!
Yun hi nahi kehte...
Samajh boojh kar karna hota hai kaam insaan ka,
Jaldi ka kaam hota hai shaitaan ka|
Kyon lagata hai haathon se nikal gayi hai baat...
Dekhtein hain kaise sambhalengi Mami aise halaat?

She searches for her beloved and is losing her presence of mind.
The path to reach him is not an easy one from any angle.
What Mami said is the truth, if they are caught their hopes will be doomed!
Her dedication to the task is such...
Khushi does not care even if her life is under peril.
She doesn't wish to heed to the sensible advice,
So now her aunt has be the device to safeguard their lives.
Ill prepared, they have entered a darkened cave,
That's what happens when one enters into a situation without due thinking...
But some people learn it the hard way,
A sane advice looks like alms but if they think they will understand it meant no harm!
That is why they say
when we rush things then it's the devil working and we just have to hold our horses , think and then proceed.
It seems that the situation is out of hand,
Let's see how Mami will control such a circumstance.

Thanks to the 'Like' team, and AP, Kopal, Bush, Ruchika, Lalsunvid, Redwine, Anurao, Shanti, Pals, Zuzana, Nidiz and others if I have missed your name. It is not easy to check every page of Redux! I appreciate you liked the work and commented on the post. It means a lot to me. Thank you again🤗!

I'll not be writing from next week. I have some things at my end that need my undue attention. I'll be back in July. I'll visit Redux whenever I can and if feasible pen some lines. I hope you all understand! ❤️ you all. Keep the Redux rocking!🤗

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Look forward to reading everyone's take on the episode! 😊

Two things I've learnt about Khushi's character today: 😆

1. She's stubborn as hell - lol for all the right reasons in this episode!
2. Her brain does actually work when the need arises and when she's compelled to do so!

I'm hoping that when the time comes, she will stand her ground - with Maami as her sidekick of course 😉

Still watching tonight's episode, but already there's a lot of mystery entailed- I'm liking it! Waiting for some serious decoding to start! 😊

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Lol ok just finished watching the episode, and I think I should change the first characteristic to:

She's stubborn as hell - for all the right reasons as well as wrong!

Lol she dug her own grave by not taking heed of maami ji's advice "yeh koi bacha ka khel nahi hein", yet I somehow find her abrasiveness and rash decision making both sensible and stupid at the same time. Contradictory I know! One thing's for sure, her bold move clearly shows her determination and her love for Arnav, yet it also displays her innocence and naivety for failing to understand the gravity of the situation! But I like how her rash thinking is taking the plot further!

I could be wrong, but I felt some of the dialogue was quite significant this episode; there was also reference made to numbers! However, I shall leave the decoding to the more capable hands of fellow reduxians as my memory fails me to connect any serious dots 😆

Edit: Maami ji hinted she shouldn't try to be the heroine, as she won't be considered as such...unless Maami is there as her side-kick!! Foreshadowing right there lol 😉
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This week (barring the Monday hot romp in the hay episode) was all about Mami & Shyam for me …

The establishing of 2 major pillars of the future tracks of IPK …

Sometimes there are characters who are introduced whom we can't fathom why they were introduced like "Bubbly" ...what was the need for her in the serial, while the obvious one was she would expose the fundamental problems in Payash relation ...& also make room for the viewer to feel "all is NOT well" in Payash land ...

The bigger one was Mami & Her resurrection.. its during Bubbly's track that we saw resurrection of MAMI ... the gray shaded Mami ... turned pure white .. her turning righteous .. her turning helpful all happened during this track ..( remember Mami is the one who had spoiled the sweets during Khushi's catering @ Anjali's anniversary party) ..

Now to the question why Mami .. why not nani ..as was suggested in all past episodes … Mami … is the sole character in RM after Anjali .. that Arnav will go to any lengths to please … it was established in the first few episodes itself when he gifts her the jewelry of her choice as she had stood by him in his toughest times… Now once again Mami … will be helping ASR in his toughest times (unknown to him) … hence the ode to the dialogue to today … he maybe your husband now .you may care for him now … but I have already cared for him I have always stood behind him as his support ….

Creatives: Brilliant linking of that loop here today.

The establishment of Shyam the Snake Villain (I wondered if the snake tattoo was an acknowledgement by the creative team to all the fans who refer to Shyam as the snakewa) The creatives have had a field day with this character… he started off as the hero of the serial … then … turned out to be the parallel lead ( the triangle hero the one who will be left lamenting) … & finally the villain was born …. & thereby liberating the Real Hero (ASR) to become the hero of the piece …

This week we saw the hinting of Shyam as the possible kidnapper .. we saw the Greedy man outshining the lusty man … he was not at all worried about Khushi being in trouble ( backtrack to the havan episode & how he gets so agitated knowing Khushi got hurt in her wrist) … a clear message that when the time will come to choose between Lust & Greed … snakewa will choose greed.. & there in will lie his defeat.

The next track of IPK will hinge on these two pillar characters …

mami who is the most unlikely ally for KHUSHI … when she will stand beside her in support .. .. the Raizada's & Arnav will have to take note

Shyam … the action starts June end … Abhaas's absence on the scenes this week ( apart from Tuesday) almost makes me feel that he is prepping himself for the future track … lots of action lots of drama

Now for the episode: What I liked:

The threats that are constantly coming to Khushi … while all the while no one is actually harming her ( mami was the target today ). Infact if you go back to my Tuesday episode analysis … I mentioned .. it was noteworthy to see Shyam's expression the moment Mami jumped to Khushi's rescue… & today the attack was on Mami .. not Khushi .. look how beautifully they tied this in …

The whole convo between Mami & Khushi … I liked that at no point of time the makers are diluting Mami's character at all … while she is out to help Khushi … while she mothers Khushi in her own way … her acerbic nature is still out on full display … at no point does she call Khushi .. by her name .. but still refers to her as Phatti Saree … so while she is embracing Khushi's love & concern for Arnav… she is still holding out on accepting her … this is very interesting … I for one want to know the turning point when she will full fledged accept Khushi.

Some technical crap :

The lighting in the Kidnappers house … very well done Gandhiji (I am so happy to see you going back to basics)

The whole sequence in the kidnappers house was a delight to watch … it was well written ... well executed ..very filmy … it was edge of seat intrigue … kept the viewer glued to the screen …

The editing of the past few episodes has been very slick … not many jerks at all … very good work sir … u've decided to join the party

The production team … given your lack of resources & time constraints .. u pulled out different tattoo parlors well … The kidnappers house for me was the clincher today … well laid out … & to the point

The icing on the cake the precap … Dreamboats sighting .. the rise of the Macho Arnav Singh Raizada

What dint work for me:

The dialogues in todays episode .. ( probably the first time I mention this .. coz they have been spot on always) I felt they lacked the punch that they normally have .. ( agreed not much scope in todays episode ) would've loved some more meaningful dialogues between Khushi & Mami.

I am writing this on the backdrop of all that was discussed in redux yesterday .. what with all the spoilers & rumors ….

The first anniverasary … a time for all to rejoice … the PH for delivering a success .. the cast & crew for being part of the success & we the viewers for making it a success.

After one year of a topsy turvy journey .. rife with plots & subplots … rife with brickbats & appreciation .. rife with ups & downs (TRP) … rife with Mohabbat & Nafrat .. the serial has landed in the most amazing cross roads .. the "chauraha" from where it can go anyplace …anyone associated with story telling will tell you its an enviable place to be….

Hats off to Gul, Nissar, Ved, Gautam & gang... to get the story here ... their genius .. is so seen now ... They have turned the most challenging time for IPK into one of the most exciting times …... Amidst all the bashing that they were getting from every corner on story stagnation, shoddy screenplay & execution, poor management, date issues, negotiation issues with channel & what not…….they went & turned the screenplay around .. (meri to vaat hi leli .. in logon ne .. ab inko kosne se pahele sochna padega)

They have negotiated their screenplay so well that today look at the avenues opened for them to move the story forward … All the minds are buzzing with so many questions …

->Will they simply clear the first MU at least between leads & move the story in the first thought out pattern … separation, repentance, meeting once again, revelation & finally taking on the villain

->There is a big intrigue created about how ASR was kidnapped ( can move anywhere .. u can add layers by associating it with another villain .. is it connected with his past .. don't think that's needed though)

->There is another intrigue on the will fiasco -- the whole question on will the WIll be destroyed.. will the WILL be found by Khushi or lakshmi 😉& was the first WILL the actual WILL ? Also will ASR come to know that Khushi tricked him into signing the WILL .. will this create another MU... & when will this unfold … will this unfold after or before the original MU is cleared

->There is another big movement ...now for the first time members of the Raizada family are getting involved between ASR & KKG ... that too the most unbelieving of them all Mami ... if she helps KKG till the bitter end then she will come to know about shyam ... doesn't matter if he is the kidnapper or not ... the promo suggests that Khushi believes he is the kidnapper .. so if she reveals to mami ... What happens?? Does she keep the information to herself ..does she reveal partially to the family ...

->Does this partial revelation lead to Payash breaking up? Do KHushi & Arnav get together like in the past to bring these lovers back together …

These are all immediate tracks which can unfold ... which will all lead to ROSY glasses of the our loving ANJALI Ji coming off & then the story moves to confrontation


I am sure as an ardent fan you to have your set of questions .. par aaj itni hi batti jalli meri ...

So many questions only one answer …

Tune into Star Plus every weeknight at 8:00 pm IST sharp to get the answers

Then log into India Forums Redux section to understand these answers 😊

Edited by redwine1 - 13 years ago

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