Curtailment and Pontifications

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sam's ( Lurvebooks) update had me pondering, questioning and wondering leading to another pontification. So here goes. Stop that groaning.

Duty versus love!
Which would you choose? Your duty based on blood ties and obligatory calling or the pull of the love of your life?
ASR's love for his sister is admirable on one hand but is there a questionable criteria here when he drops everything for her to attend to her every whim and whimper. At her beck and call at any given time. If he was a doctor on call he I am sure would give his patient a good talking to in developing a backbone and being independent
Charge the full whack and take yourself off to Hawaii I say ( are you listening doctor?)
Wait, wait Anjali needs to see you again. She has a headache as she cannot find her errant husband. Put that Hawaiian trip on hold
Obligation is part and parcel of alot of cultures especially Asians.
So what my beauties do you think this is a normal behaviour pattern or exagerated for the fictional world?
Is it not oppressive and intrusive or perfectly acceptable.
What about the sidelined partner?Tolerance due to duty or simply having been left with absolutely no choice, none whatsoever.
Well my beauties do share and do tell. Its an interesting concept that has me quizzical and a little stumped.
Do help me understand and get me out of this stupor

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Posted: 13 years ago
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res
now that I have gotten over my juevenille...take over to be first evey where...and getting ready to give my deep thinking hat a chance after a long time and actually pontify seriously with you 2day...
i have a few questions...
are we generalising here and dipping into life...or are we keeping with the play...
are we gonna take off from where the charactors leave...are we doing the origingal ch or sams (right now they are pretty close...)
Edited by tangam - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hmm.. the makers do get away with something called 'dramatic license'.. what Nissar said (someone to do with the PH). and probably is true IMO.
A lot of things we watch are blown out of proportion to intensify the suspense and then TRP. maybe they have a certain possibility of happening in real life; but on that scale? nah!

i think its perfectly normal to give into your weakness just at times; for the fictional character who sadly thinks his sister is his guide/philosopher/life.

i used to think this concept was alien.. till a member of the forum mentioned that they got to understand their partner cause of some signs from the lead of the show? social message fulfilled? women i guess have much more the ability to sacrifice than men do. and put their family first. What SP also blows out of proportion.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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One critical pillar of the show that has made us wondering about the "reality" in the reel-ity of it.
As you cleverly pointed out, it's quite usual in Asia to give emphasis to social values and obligations rather than follow your heart...however, here it's no imposed duty that drives our, as you say and i concur, "doctor", it's pure, honey-dipped, gold-coated love.

What most of us have not been able to connect with is the sibling bond shown between Arnav and Anjali; isn't an elder sister supposed to be the hey-bro-stop-your-naughty-antics type and the younger brother the hey-sis-you-haven't-seen-the-worst-of-my-naughtiness type? But what is shown in the limelight here is Anjali as a "mother" and not as some elder sister playfully fighting with her brother.

Which takes us into a whole new scenario. Mind you, many guys out there can travel the end of the world, even fetch the moon for their mothers. Which is how our doctor is: he would attend to our oh-so-incapacitated patient even if he catches her illness. Because that's no ordinary patient, she's his mother-like.
And as to the Kashmir issue going inside Arnav's heart...remember, the heart knows old is gold. The one who had been resident there since forever can't be sidelined because of the new entry.

I hope it gave you answers...and not left you with more questions 😆
Edited by Aimz.GlitterGal - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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obligations are very much part of the culture, where I come from. Sacrifices for your loved ones is eulogized. Showmakers are only exaggerating it for effect.

Whats disturbing is not what is shown. Whats extremely disturbing is that hoards of women are taking real life lessons from what is shown.
ASR the ideal husband
Khushi the ideal girl
Anjali-ASR the ideal bro/sis

And to that end, the makers are OBLIVIOUS or pretend to be or simply dont want to acknowledge or dont care that the gobbledygook they churn out every week is lapped on, lock stock and barrel, as the very holy grail of definition of human character, a guide to actual living and a mantra to understand one's partner, sister or family!!!

I get the creepies just thinking about the lessons people are drawing from this fare, that is utterly mediocre, under-non-researched, non-factual flights of someone's wild fancy.

off my soap box now.

(adding colors for my own flights of fancy 😆)
Edited by serialjunkie - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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great question posed n many people will have different takes on it. I believe, despite luv always being projected as superior in the end in real life many people r restricted with their duties. At present in iss pyar i wudnt refer 2 arnavs overprotectiveness of anjali as far fetched 4 three main reasons, firstly anjali has additional vulnerabiliy coz of her polio. Secondly coz of her very naive n gullible character n lastly coz they have both been orphans since a long time. Therefore i think arnavs concern is understandable.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Great post!!

And what a question to be asked.

This show is all about putting your life on hold for other more important people in your life and then wait for love and anything a little nice to happen on the way. Arnav, Khushi, Akash, Payal, they are all doing it for their sisters, their parents, his mother, her father.

And as much as we want to write it off as liberties with creativity, I know that in India, putting yourself on hold for people who have "done a lot" for you, is more often demanded than asked or even deserved

I know of parents who tell their children how they have sacrificed their lives for them and how it is now their duty to do by them.

Why just parents, in-laws, siblings, even friends!

Yes, you are right. it is more of an Asian thing than it is anywhere else.

A very small example: A friend of mine thinks a 100 times before she asks her husband to take her out to dinner alone because her mother in law stays with them and she may feel offended. it sounds simple but imagine living that day in and day out and sometimes for some things as simple as dinner

But it is the individual who calls the shots and draws the line

All of us like to do stuff for the ones we love. SHould it color the way we live life itself and where do we draw the line - That HAS to be our call.

In the show - Arnav and Khushi - need to get a life...and some people (like Anjali) need to let them get one!

PS: Sorry for the long answer but this question has always rankled me!
Edited by meera30 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: meera30

Great post!!


And what a question to be asked.

This show is all about putting your life on hold for other more important people in your life and then wait for love and anything a little nice to happen on the way. Arnav, Khushi, Akash, Payal, they are all doing it for their sisters, their parents, his mother, her father.

And as much as we want to write it off as liberties with creativity, I know that in India, putting yourself on hold for people who have "done a lot" for you, is more often demanded than asked or even deserved

I know of parents who tell their children how they have sacrificed their lives for them and how it is now their duty to do by them.

Why just parents, in-laws, siblings, even friends!

Yes, you are right. it is more of an Asian thing than it is anywhere else.

A very small example: A friend of mine thinks a 100 times before she asks her husband to take her out to dinner alone because her mother in law stays with them and she may feel offended. it sounds simple but imagine living that day in and day out and sometimes for some things as simple as dinner

But it is the individual who calls the shots and draws the line

All of us like to do stuff for the ones we love. SHould it color the way we live life itself and where do we draw the line - That HAS to be our call.

In the show - Arnav and Khushi - need to get a life...and some people (like Anjali) need to let them get one!

PS: Sorry for the long answer but this question has always rankled me!



@ red, absolutely brilliant observations. and I concur. This is drilled into our heads right for childhood. About parental sacrifices and how we must accommodate them. On a very principled level, there is absolutely nothing wrong in reminding your children that parents make sacrifices to raise them and instilling a sense of respect in them for those sacrifices.

The tables turn when parents want to start controlling their children's life in lieu of those sacrifices. After a child is an adult, the parents must back off and realize that their role is to advice not manage their adult children's lives. It is this distinction that we as parents need to remind ourselves when we engage with our adult children.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tangam

res

now that I have gotten over my juevenille...take over to be first evey where...and getting ready to give my deep thinking hat a chance after a long time and actually pontify seriously with you 2day...
i have a few questions...
are we generalising here and dipping into life...or are we keeping with the play...
are we gonna take off from where the charactors leave...are we doing the origingal ch or sams (right now they are pretty close...)

Tangam the first goes to you my beauty.
As you see fit, generalise away and dip into life or take off from where the characters leave.
Original or where Sam has left it at
Any thought on the subject matter will be much appreciated
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Posted: 13 years ago
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^^serialjunkie..

i doubt that is happening to such an extent? is it like people who watch are such gullible ones who can't take life lessons from real life heroes and rely on reel life heroes?
i think the ones watching are intellectual (the right word must be mature) enough to draw out only the positives and overlook (ignore) the negatives. or at least that is the impression i formed out of the circle i am involved with (am i living in a myth).. now IPK is not your general saas bahu story that happens to relate to all the audience; how much ever SP-ish they try to make it... it is a love story which for starters should tell us that it is watched by people who are young(speaking for myself; i do not draw any social/physical/intellectual message from IPK) or have a thing for intense story telling (what irony only!!) or happen to love MnB or are well jobless!

There comes the basic question : are the viewers treating it like a show or death (ala IF) to diversify every angle of the show or just as another means of entertainment?

BTW talk of duties taking away from obligations.. how many of us are hopelessly addicted to IF? tch!

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