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enigma17 thumbnail
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Posted: 13 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: DaShIng_GiRl

hmm.. the makers do get away with something called 'dramatic license'.. what Nissar said (someone to do with the PH). and probably is true IMO.
A lot of things we watch are blown out of proportion to intensify the suspense and then TRP. maybe they have a certain possibility of happening in real life; but on that scale? nah!

Indeed and that is why they are called dramas I would imagine. On what scale is the question and am sure can only be illuminated by individuals based on their life experience
We are afterall pontificating here.

i think its perfectly normal to give into your weakness just at times; for the fictional character who sadly thinks his sister is his guide/philosopher/life.

i used to think this concept was alien.. till a member of the forum mentioned that they got to understand their partner cause of some signs from the lead of the show? social message fulfilled? women i guess have much more the ability to sacrifice than men do. and put their family first. What SP also blows out of proportion.

Historically we would be led to believe that women do make the bigger sacrifices in life.
Natural and intuitive maternal instincts kicking into play?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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^^ dashing_girl

have you seen posts after posts (in IF world) by grown ups and young ones alike on this forum that claim they got life lessons from this show?

Every time I read it, i have to pause and think - are they writing this for fun or are they serious. Are they thinking this show is somehow a guide to solve ills of their lives (which heavens forbid, it is not, because you need real people in real lives to help you solve problems, not a serial)

it disturbs me. life lessons are not meant to be drawn from a show that, as many of us remind each other, time and again, is not a show hinged on social message.

anyway, more than once, I've shared my trepidation over what is shown is taken at face value as a justification of human character when the truth is, this show is neither a well-researched characterization or analysis of human nature nor a factually sound representation of psychological issues of a human mind.

Edit - talking of duties and obligations 😆, the show has started. ttyl

Edited by serialjunkie - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: serialjunkie

^^ dashing_girl

have you seen posts after posts (in IF world) by grown ups and young ones alike on this forum that claim they got life lessons from this show?

Every time I read it, i have to pause and think - are they writing this for fun or are they serious. Are they thinking this show is somehow a guide to solve ills of their lives (which heavens forbid, it is not, because you need real people in real lives to help you solve problems, not a serial)

i disturbs me. life lessons are not meant to be drawn from a show that, as many of us remind each other, time and again, is not a show hinged on social message.



If anything, this show should be the anti-thesis of a social-cause based show!

I mean cheating husbands, manhandling, contract marriage, hiding the truth, taunting mothers-in-law...Bad bad world...IPK!

Post made in jest - please do not kill me. I love this show!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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😆😆😆😆Ok,,,,get ready fro a totally against the grain...thought😆😆😆
Like me my thoughts to are bloody mix and stand out...(moslty alone)
So lets deal with the play first...
Anjies charactor is very underdeveloped as with all other charactors in the show but hers especially...
she is shown as needy, religious and smiling, sickeningly sweet...enough to give me a sugar high her bro will never have...
so if I were to fill the gaps...as per my mind (a dagerous thing)...they lost thier parents when Arnie was what 15...she was shown without a limp in fb (could be an oversight or a later injury but as it is with all of their med research...polio is the sickness allocated)...so he completed school and the went to harvard...on what...they were kicked out of thire residience...Nani took them in but apparently did not have much...we are made to believe that Arnie got them here...manorama helped with Jewelry...but nani keeps hinting that mano was the maid...so many disjointed versions...
I think to get Arnav where he is it was Anji that bore the brunt...begrudging herself of many things...
may have fallen ill etc...
so the shared past, grief and ugly story...the strength he lent on and then took off...makes him attached to her at a different level...the co dependency, the gratitude and guilt...a very strong and also dangerous relationship for it can be poisonous...
So I would not call it just duty but love also...all of our relationships are that a bit of everything...even love for a partner...just in different proportions...
right now his sister has more than earned his love and loyality...and for khushi it is a guilt ridden love he feels because of his short sighted ness...
and to be fair to Anji...as far as we know (which again for me is a flaw in her charactorisation) is unaware of how her brothers need to be her protector is coming in the way of his fullfillment...
hooof...that much for the fiction...now I will be back with the real life part...
edit
I am not sure if this is a disclaimer or educated review😆
this show is prone to vast exaggeration a neccasity for drama...but the needed basic story or premise and the necessary research is shoddy and wanting...making the exaggerations that much more unrealistic...
Edited by tangam - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Everybody has certain weakness and insecurities , to show the characters Iearn and overcome them makes a good story ,

as with asr , his duty towards his sister if we view it as an independent entitie , understandabIe , but when peopIe other than himseIf and his siter[his wife and her husband] is coming into pIay , is it justifiabIe i think is the question

to what extent compromising on his responsibility towards his wife or involvement in his sister Iife is justifiable

Same with khushi , she is married t this man without even being aware of the reason to what extent shouId she be expected to fuIfiII her duty, or stay married for the sake of famiIy or honour[yesterday she was shown to cover up for her husband ]

I think they both are weak and insecure to acknowledge either the issues in their marriage , or to reach at a sensibIe soIution

it is an exaggerated version of any reaI reIationship ,not justifiabIe or right but it is fiction at the end of the day , nobody wants to watch cIiched normaIcy , so I agree with smirti it shouId be just viewed as one not mixed with reaI

btw heIIo everbody🤗

annie awesome post
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: meera30


If anything, this show should be the anti-thesis of a social-cause based show!

I mean cheating husbands, manhandling, contract marriage, hiding the truth, taunting mothers-in-law...Bad bad world...IPK!

Post made in jest - please do not kill me. I love this show!



meera - @bold. no worries

you can enjoy the show and still crib about it. i see no conflict 😆

Edited by serialjunkie - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aimz.GlitterGal

One critical pillar of the show that has made us wondering about the "reality" in the reel-ity of it.

As you cleverly pointed out, it's quite usual in Asia to give emphasis to social values and obligations rather than follow your heart...however, here it's no imposed duty that drives our, as you say and i concur, "doctor", it's pure, honey-dipped, gold-coated love.
Gosh I would truely like this to be a fact for this fiction. Our hero is led by love for the pure, honey-dipped, gold-coated love.

What most of us have not been able to connect with is the sibling bond shown between Arnav and Anjali; isn't an elder sister supposed to be the hey-bro-stop-your-naughty-antics type and the younger brother the hey-sis-you-haven't-seen-the-worst-of-my-naughtiness type? But what is shown in the limelight here is Anjali as a "mother" and not as some elder sister playfully fighting with her brother
Sibling love is only natural and right too and circumstances prevails us to take on other mantels and put on different hats to fulfil our imposed roles in life.
However at times I do find ASR and Anjali's love for each other rather claustrophobic and unpalatable. Bodes rather uncomfortably on occassions
Which takes us into a whole new scenario. Mind you, many guys out there can travel the end of the world, even fetch the moon for their mothers. Which is how our doctor is: he would attend to our oh-so-incapacitated patient even if he catches her illness. Because that's no ordinary patient, she's his mother-like.
And as to the Kashmir issue going inside Arnav's heart...remember, the heart knows old is gold. The one who had been resident there since forever can't be sidelined because of the new entry.
Maternal love is wonderful especially when given unconditionally...methinks.
Otherwise it can be a bone of contention. Given freewill with no imposition any love is tenfold and so much more for it...once again methinks

I hope it gave you answers...and not left you with more questions 😆

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi Meera, |Smrithi, Priya, Dashing giri (how would you like to be adressed) and barun (that feels a bit odd ...but I dont know your name!!!)...and anyone else I missed...
lovely topic to be pontificating on right up my alley...
Annie darling will be back with more...after this short break (I now put commercials for myself😆)
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Annie, am luvving this topic . nothing gets my cerebral juices flowing faster than your pontifications! 👏

As with any discussion the sheer myriad of opinions is amazing. I woud like to pick-up on the point made about women who sacrifice for duty ... I think yes there is that ... on the flip side you have men who put duty for family above their wives ... this isn't a fictitious take ...
... but the crux of the matter is the definition of "family" ... for some it never extends beyond your immediate blood relations - mother, father, siblings ... the spouse is only an addage ... an extension .. but never quite included ... here is where duty vs. love sees the greatest conflict.
then you have "family" where it encapsulates your spouse and children whilst your mater/pater etc are loved at a distance ... would you then say this is love trumping duty? or love merging with duty? is duty only for parents (for simplicity I am taking siblings out of the equation for now) ...
then you have the Sooraj Bharjatya (reference to Bollywood filmaker) family where mother, father, siblings, spouse, children, dog are all "family" and there never arises the need to debate duty or love ...
Define family and the lines between duty and love will either blur or strengthen.
Shameless plug (ala Gits) 😃- to read what got Annie pondering :
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Posted: 13 years ago
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ASR is good at so many things. A good businessman, a great brother, awesome grandson, amazing nephew, outstanding son-in-law. But he is not a good husband yet. Ganted, it's a contract marriage and all these MU and all. But if his obsessive coddling of his sister making her even more dependant and helpless does not stop, he will never be a good husband. He thinks he is protecting his sister by marrying Khushi. But Khushi was never a physical threat to begin with. On the other hand, he let lose Shyam on his sister in spite of witnessing his obsessive behavior. He could have easily send Shyam away from the house until delivery. But he decided on behalf of his sister to keep her under an illusion. I wonder how would Anjali feel when she realizes that her darling brother was hiding such a huge truth from her. Don't get me wrong, Khushi has hid the truth from her too. But when she hid it, she was nobody to them and later her position was so bad that she never thought to disclose it anymore. But all along ASR played God with everyone's life. That's called tyranny not relationship. In future, even when he knows the truth, he needs to treat Anjali as woman not a child and to give her space. Otherwise he can never do justice to his relationship with Khushi and be a great husband.

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