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Posted: 13 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: sunshine99

yupp... absolutely but given his character built up and the time he is spending with Khushi as man and wife, should bring about the inner turmoil he must face on what he sees and what he thinks.Sadly every time there is a fb of the terrace hug I haven't seen it play with his doubts increasing to a confusion on what is to be believed...The procrastination needs to be stopped it defeats the purpose of the the entire trust and understanding track... If he has to be spoon fed of the truth in a single episode then why go through the prolonged exercise... Can as many rabba veys as possible in a month's track and use it for FB in the repentance track. Then build a fresh MU with a new track.
Loved the poetry...well written.👏


Thanks, I'm grateful!😊
I think for a person involved in such a misunderstanding there are so many things that should happen but when it comes to reel there are certain aspects that are exempted... It applies to both Arnav and Khushi's characters...and this disconnect sometimes is disturbing... I guess I would call it the bane of daily soap...


Edited by shreya_l - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: shreya_l


Thanks, I'm grateful!😊
I think for a person involved in such a misunderstanding there are so many things that should happen but when it comes to reel there are certain aspects that are exempted... It applies to both Arnav and Khushi's characters...and this disconnect sometimes is disturbing... I guess I would call it the bane of daily soap...



well said... in the world of soaps it is consistent to be inconsistent... As a passionate fan I tend to overlook it at times.😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: --Anna--

Hola people 🤗


Sathya - I will wait for you analysis but I hate waiting!!! 😛

What to say about today's episode - one of the best episodes yet again! Everything Just Perfect!! ⭐️ I believe I am repeating this quite often these days but I cannot help it. These days the episodes leave me wanting for more and more and everytime it ends - I end up being disappointed and nothing else. But when I think of the episode, I cannot help but be happy.


Arnav's guilt and regret and the Misunderstanding


If there is something that I like about Arnav Singh Raizada that is that he regrets what he has done and is guilty about them (and I know I sound a broken record when I keep saying this). Nevertheless he saw Khushi in pain when her friends talked about their marriage and he realized his mistake. He realized how he had shattered her dreams, how he had trampled on her hopes and how he had not cared for a single moment about what the sindoor and mangalsutra must have meant for her. His realization was not dependent on what he thought of her and Shyam relationship but on what he had done to her - to the girl for whom he secretly harbours the feeling of love.

Then comes the scene when he looks for the missing file and realizes that Khushi may have hid it somewhere like she promised to do. He goes on his mission to search when he finds the file with himself. Isn't this is what is happening!? The truth is in front of his eyes - its right there if he would be careful with Khushi's words - if he would notice her actions - but no - he has turned a blind eye to everything in and around him and especially to what Khushi says and that is what is building this thing up. He trusts what he has seen in front of his eyes - he is taking everything on the face value and believing that. He is neither probing nor even trying to find the truth, even though it is right in front of him. All he needs to do is make an effort.


The Gift wrapping paper: When I saw it - I was like why was Khushi saving a wrapper and that too with a tag!? Then I realized that it is very common in middle class families to save the gift wrapping paper for future use and knowing Khushi she must have definitely kept it for that. But Arnav does not know that does he!? He has not lived in an atmosphere where you have to save every penny and utilize all these resources. Now, because he cannot understand these nitty-gritties - he misunderstood the whole thing. All he could see was that Shyam had gifted something to Khushi and she had kept the wrapper like a prized possession. That was when his mind went off to the terrace confrontation and again he believed what he saw. Coming to think of it, I think he is now more bothered about the lover in him than the brother in him. His possessiveness is growing.



The confrontations


Again a very nice confrontation scene and something tells me that had Garima not butted in, Arnav may have spilled something out. Nevertheless at this moment he just cannot face Khushi and does not want to see her face - because first he is guilty and secondly he cannot still accept that Khushi and Shyam are indeed having an affair. Every time he wants to think otherwise, there is a new thing that crops up in front of his eyes that changes his perspective about her and he holds her guilty. I will have to give Khushi that she understands when his mood changes and realizes that there is something that is bothering him. Just like he needs to probe further to clear his misunderstanding - so does she needs to probe him to an extent that she knows what his pain is and what he hides in his heart. She has started doing it in her own way - though kiddish but she has - and all we can hope is that it does yield some result.


"Respect"


Respect is a very strong word. We respect only few people and not everyone and that respect has to be earned - it cannot be just there. Does Arnav respect the Gupta ladies!? Yes he does. Does he respect Shashi ji!? Yes he does. Does he respect Khushi!? Yes and No. Does he have reason to respect Khushi as of now!? No. When Arnav needed to stand up for Khushi in front of the guests during the Muh ' dikhayi ceremony ' he did. He did do it for his family and somewhere for Khushi because he knew he was the one who had put her in such a situation. Overall in their personal relationship, he has crossed his boundaries and stripped her off any dignity that she has ' but other than 4 walls of their room, he has not crossed his limits persay. And moreover he has not disrespected her family deliberately.And mostly importantly he respects Khushi and her fighting spirit and that is what he has fallen in love with.

However, again, that is where this is leading to. When Khushi comes back - which she will when she learns about the whole misunderstanding - she will be the one who will face these people, she will be the one who will be questioned and she will be the one who will be pointed fingers at. That will be the moment when Arnav will be responsible for Khushi's and the Gupta's loss of respect, dignity and status in the society completely and then he will also be the one who will restore it back for them


Today he saw all the problems that lower 'middle class families could face. He realized how low could actually people fall for money and the disgust on his face was apparent. Here we realize that all the talk about money, class and status is nothing but on the face - he does not believe in them persay. Whatever he says is in anger and he does not mean it at all. That is the reason - when he realizes what was about to happen he goes onto correct it.


What was subtle about it - when he gets the call from Aman, he looks at Preeto the bride and for a moment sees the uncomfortable look on her face and is touched. Khushi comes right at him for supporting the groom clearly stating that he is like them and he does not answer yet again and states that he does not want to see her face. She retorts back at him and leaves as he clearly is disinterested and wants to focus on the groom - and that is what the pressing matter was then and there.


Arnav Singh Raizada always helps but never states that explicitly. In his own way he has solved the matter - by awakening the consciousness of the groom. He asked him to stand up for his wife and her family , something that Arnav would also do if something like this would have happened in public with the Gupta's.


Pointers :


1) Both Sanaya and Barun were Fabulous today

2) Barun looks good ' looks like he has got his break and is resting

3) I miss Shyam, again! Looks like I miss him a lot!

Favorite Character :

Arnav Singh Raizada!

All in all a good entertaining episode. Me loved it totally! Cannot wait for tomorrow! ;)

Love all :))


P.S : Thank you everyone for your b'day wishes!! I was not here online for the weekend but I did read all of them and replied to everyone that I got. Yet, Thank you so much! My b'day was awesome and your wishes just made it better! Thank yoU! 🤗🤗





ANNA dear 🤗
Can't tell you how eagerly I was waiting for the redux page to open...
Yesterday's episode was a great one.. a kind we were expecting from past so many weeks...
Yesterday I came online after watching the episode and oh boy what I saw was pretty shocking to me... Numerous posts bashing Arnav for giving 'gyaan' to the groom when he himself doesn't follow the same... I was like 'What the!'.. Then calmed myseelf down thinking this is not the first time Arnav is blamed for something he hasn't done.. so chill the REDUXIANS will understand it 😆

And your analysis just brought that smile back on my face 😃 Great analysis indeed 👏
This episode was bang on and so damn ASRish 😉

If I was in Arnav's situation, I would not bother to do even an inch for Khushi, considering the amout of hatredness I have for her, but Arnav has been always considerate, arghh at least in public 😆

Many of us have forgotten the fact that Arnav is a nice guy, who knows to respect people and relationships, if they are worth of!!! Believe me, if he had proposed Khushi after PayAsh's marriage and had they had a normal shaadi, he would go ahead prove himself as the best husband and jamai for Guptas.. better than Akash who is, according to me 'PATI WITH NO HADDI'.. Blame it on the destiny and situations that has made Arnav so ruthless towards Khushi.. ahh ruthless is a strong word.. hmm may the milder version of it..

Khushi's sweet sweet gestures and dialogues would surely not help that mama-mami realize their mistake... Probably there were other ways too.. but our ASR has his own stylish way of doing things 👏

Lastly, Barun looks much better now... as you said he might have rested well and he's got the much groomed look.. A tiny mini hair cut and that stupid GEL thrown to Antartica will get my original ASR
Yesterday's episode had both ASR and Arnav .. and I loved it !!!! 👏

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Posted: 13 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: namedx

The opening of Pandora's box indeed! A very apt title! 😆

As always, Barun nailed it for me this episode, as did Sanaya - albeit a lot more subtle with the emotions. Expressions of pain, anguish and strong resentment returned today, and it was about time. I was waiting for this side of Arnav to re-emerge, as only then can the bitter truth be revealed.



I sat down to re-watch some of the earlier episodes, and I was shocked to see how far Arnav had come!! His character has grown tremendously and so consistently!! Truly impressed with the character development!



Completely agree with these points yaar... ASR has been one of the most consistent characters in the show 👏
I'm soo partial to ASR.. tch tch 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Tanthya and Doods

It's a holiday for me and I have some guests at home... Mysore is my relatives' fav destination.. so one holiday and my house becomes fish market 😆

So I'll not be able to post anything today, I guess 😭
But will make sure to read your analysis.. Have been waiting for it eagerly... I really wanna know your take on Arnav's 'SPEECH' and the episode, as a whole

See you all REDUXIANS 😃

PS: Sorry for spamming 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: pamk06

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Tanthya,

** Will wait for your analysis**

Below is my analysis:


A wedding day for a girl, is one of those days that she's waits for the whole of her life. Its the day she has been dreaming about, has been planning for since a very young age. She dreams about this perfect groom, perfect family, perfect day which is filled with happiness, a day when she is going to embark on a new life. The wedding day is the most difficult day for a girl because she is leaving the known and entering the unknown, a place which is going to be so different from her home but is now her home. She knows she has to walk into the unknown, to place which is going to be her new home, a place about which she has no knowledge, no idea, but only knows that she has to make her parents proud of herself. Her only hope, her only strength is that she will have her prince and his family alongside her to help her.


But in India, for most of the girls reality is so very different. For them since the day the wedding is fixed, it becomes a time of curse and guilt because they see their parents scrambling to fulfill their each and every wish of the groom's parents, they see their parents struggling to fulfill each and every demand of the bridegroom's family. The girl sees her parents bowing their heads, getting insulted but parents do not utter any word, they bear everything because they do not want anything to hamper the life of their princess. The girl on the most important day of a life witnesses everything but she is unable to do anything because she does not want any of her actions to reflect as one more insult for her parents. She sits there wishing that she was never been born, she sits there wishing that the concept of wedding was never created, she sits there wishing that the person who is going to be better half protect her parents, behave as the prince that she has always dreamed about,she sits there realizing that she will be leaving her home, she will be leaving her parents under a huge burden of debts, and she sits there understanding that she will carrying a huge burden of responsibilities herself of ensuring that none of her actions result in her parents being disgraced, she sits realizing that her new journey is not going to be a bed of roses she dreamed of but full of thorns and she sits there as a silent spectator screaming for justice,

Arnav recognized all this when he saw Preethika today , he recognized her dreams because he himself had shared those dreams with his sister's. He recognized her pain because he had shared that pain when his sister's marriage had broken the first time. He heard those screams because he had witness them before and carried its burden. He had paid an hefty price for those broken dreams and he wanted to fix things today. His actions today were not for Khushi, or the Guptas, they were just for the girl and her family and for that time long back when he was unable to do anything. This was not the first time he has saved a marriage, he has done this twice before and he will do it many more times in the coming future.Whether he will be successful in saving his own marriage, only time will tell.


"Patni or uski family ki izzat karna sikho"


Arnav has always believed in marriage and today proved that he believes that it is husband's duty to protect his wife and her family. Its husband's duty to ensure about his wife's happiness by being the pillar which will protect her from all evil even if the bad is done by is own family. This justifies three things today,


First, Arnav has a very strong sense of right and wrong. He has always been able to damp his emotions to do what is right. Today we saw him doing exactly that. He kept his anger aside to solve a problem faced by total strangers, a marriage of a person he has never met before in his life. This proves that Arnav Singh Raizada would never break a marriage and he would definitely not stop a marriage on its wedding day. When times come, Khushi will realize this and she will know that he is a person who believes in marriage for life. She will understand that his values and his beliefs will never allow him to break one marriage for another. She will know that whatever his claims,he would have not stopped Payal's marriage on that fateful day and nor will he ever break her marriage. She will realize that he is a person who will go to any lengths to protect a marriage and she will understand that all his drastic actions against her were because he thought she was the person responsible for breaking a marriage and especially of that person who is the most important part of his life.



Second, is the reason for why he cannot forgive Khushi. His sister marriage was proof for him, a hope that there is happily every after,it was proof of his beliefs in the institution of marriage. For him, it defined everything he believed in marriage but his illusions were broken by none other than the person who he thought had the same beliefs like him that marriage is for life, for ever and it is the most scared relationship in the world. Thus, she is a bigger culprit is his eyes because she demanded that Shyam break his marriage vows and leave his wife. She demanded him to break the very thing, the very promise which Arnav believes a husband has to make and follow for the whole of his life, that is to protect the wife from all bad and ensure her happiness at all times. For him, it was an unforgivable sin that she committed on that day and this is why he cannot forgive her or forget her words.



Third, He believe that one should protect his wife and her family and in the past we have seen him doing this. Whatever his personal relationship with Khushi inside their room, he has always protected her from his family, he has always protected her from the bad, be it Shyam or the general public on their Mooh-Dikhayi. Yes, he has insulted their marriage many times inside their room, and he will repent for that but all his actions have always been because, he thinks, that she is not faithful to their marriage and is having an affair with his brother in law. Also, he has never been disrespectful towards her family. Even today, being on the height of his anger, he was calm in front of Gayatri and Buaji. He was only angry towards Khushi because, according to him only she is responsible for her actions and not her family. But as Redux has been predicting from a long time that when Arnav realizes the truth, the whole truth, the real truth about the true face of Shyam, he will be their warrior, he will stand next to Khushi, he will stand in front of the Guptas not only because it will be the right thing to do but because he believes it to be his duty and his responsibility and that is, to protect and respect your wife and her family.





Hey Pam...Good review... Yup..ASR is a righteous man...from car to all minute details in office and home...he seeks right things and perfection!! But but..but...he will act right only when he sees the reality in front of him ie right in front of his eyes. Thats where this mis understanding creeps in. I liked Barun's acting yesterday after 3 weeks...truly ASR.

But again...we are more than done with this track...I think all are pushed out of the chairs seeking the MU to clear ASAP...Hope CV's hear...

Once again good analysis.

Edited by lalsunvid - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: --Anna--

Hola people 🤗


Sathya - I will wait for you analysis but I hate waiting!!! 😛

What to say about today's episode - one of the best episodes yet again! Everything Just Perfect!! ⭐️ I believe I am repeating this quite often these days but I cannot help it. These days the episodes leave me wanting for more and more and everytime it ends - I end up being disappointed and nothing else. But when I think of the episode, I cannot help but be happy.


Arnav's guilt and regret and the Misunderstanding


If there is something that I like about Arnav Singh Raizada that is that he regrets what he has done and is guilty about them (and I know I sound a broken record when I keep saying this). Nevertheless he saw Khushi in pain when her friends talked about their marriage and he realized his mistake. He realized how he had shattered her dreams, how he had trampled on her hopes and how he had not cared for a single moment about what the sindoor and mangalsutra must have meant for her. His realization was not dependent on what he thought of her and Shyam relationship but on what he had done to her - to the girl for whom he secretly harbours the feeling of love.

Then comes the scene when he looks for the missing file and realizes that Khushi may have hid it somewhere like she promised to do. He goes on his mission to search when he finds the file with himself. Isn't this is what is happening!? The truth is in front of his eyes - its right there if he would be careful with Khushi's words - if he would notice her actions - but no - he has turned a blind eye to everything in and around him and especially to what Khushi says and that is what is building this thing up. He trusts what he has seen in front of his eyes - he is taking everything on the face value and believing that. He is neither probing nor even trying to find the truth, even though it is right in front of him. All he needs to do is make an effort.


The Gift wrapping paper: When I saw it - I was like why was Khushi saving a wrapper and that too with a tag!? Then I realized that it is very common in middle class families to save the gift wrapping paper for future use and knowing Khushi she must have definitely kept it for that. But Arnav does not know that does he!? He has not lived in an atmosphere where you have to save every penny and utilize all these resources. Now, because he cannot understand these nitty-gritties - he misunderstood the whole thing. All he could see was that Shyam had gifted something to Khushi and she had kept the wrapper like a prized possession. That was when his mind went off to the terrace confrontation and again he believed what he saw. Coming to think of it, I think he is now more bothered about the lover in him than the brother in him. His possessiveness is growing.



The confrontations


Again a very nice confrontation scene and something tells me that had Garima not butted in, Arnav may have spilled something out. Nevertheless at this moment he just cannot face Khushi and does not want to see her face - because first he is guilty and secondly he cannot still accept that Khushi and Shyam are indeed having an affair. Every time he wants to think otherwise, there is a new thing that crops up in front of his eyes that changes his perspective about her and he holds her guilty. I will have to give Khushi that she understands when his mood changes and realizes that there is something that is bothering him. Just like he needs to probe further to clear his misunderstanding - so does she needs to probe him to an extent that she knows what his pain is and what he hides in his heart. She has started doing it in her own way - though kiddish but she has - and all we can hope is that it does yield some result.


"Respect"


Respect is a very strong word. We respect only few people and not everyone and that respect has to be earned - it cannot be just there. Does Arnav respect the Gupta ladies!? Yes he does. Does he respect Shashi ji!? Yes he does. Does he respect Khushi!? Yes and No. Does he have reason to respect Khushi as of now!? No. When Arnav needed to stand up for Khushi in front of the guests during the Muh ' dikhayi ceremony ' he did. He did do it for his family and somewhere for Khushi because he knew he was the one who had put her in such a situation. Overall in their personal relationship, he has crossed his boundaries and stripped her off any dignity that she has ' but other than 4 walls of their room, he has not crossed his limits persay. And moreover he has not disrespected her family deliberately.And mostly importantly he respects Khushi and her fighting spirit and that is what he has fallen in love with.

However, again, that is where this is leading to. When Khushi comes back - which she will when she learns about the whole misunderstanding - she will be the one who will face these people, she will be the one who will be questioned and she will be the one who will be pointed fingers at. That will be the moment when Arnav will be responsible for Khushi's and the Gupta's loss of respect, dignity and status in the society completely and then he will also be the one who will restore it back for them


Today he saw all the problems that lower 'middle class families could face. He realized how low could actually people fall for money and the disgust on his face was apparent. Here we realize that all the talk about money, class and status is nothing but on the face - he does not believe in them persay. Whatever he says is in anger and he does not mean it at all. That is the reason - when he realizes what was about to happen he goes onto correct it.


What was subtle about it - when he gets the call from Aman, he looks at Preeto the bride and for a moment sees the uncomfortable look on her face and is touched. Khushi comes right at him for supporting the groom clearly stating that he is like them and he does not answer yet again and states that he does not want to see her face. She retorts back at him and leaves as he clearly is disinterested and wants to focus on the groom - and that is what the pressing matter was then and there.


Arnav Singh Raizada always helps but never states that explicitly. In his own way he has solved the matter - by awakening the consciousness of the groom. He asked him to stand up for his wife and her family , something that Arnav would also do if something like this would have happened in public with the Gupta's.


Pointers :


1) Both Sanaya and Barun were Fabulous today

2) Barun looks good ' looks like he has got his break and is resting

3) I miss Shyam, again! Looks like I miss him a lot!

Favorite Character :

Arnav Singh Raizada!

All in all a good entertaining episode. Me loved it totally! Cannot wait for tomorrow! ;)

Love all :))


P.S : Thank you everyone for your b'day wishes!! I was not here online for the weekend but I did read all of them and replied to everyone that I got. Yet, Thank you so much! My b'day was awesome and your wishes just made it better! Thank yoU! 🤗🤗



Anna 🤗🤗
Sorry hun I missed your b'day. College, exams, just did not have that time. Anyways a very Belated Happy B'day to you darling.Wishing you happiness in abundance and a guy like Arnav or swayam 😉.
Your analysis, as usual brilliant. I have said it before too, I like the simplicity and the scene by scene analysis that you give. Its simple in words and easy to understand and today again I loved it. I saw so many bashing posts in the LU thread calling Arnav a hypocrite and what not, but people forget, Arnav has no reason to persay respect Khushi. In his eyes, she is the one who preaches marriage and is also breaking his sister's relationship. Also, Arnav has definitely respected Khushi and her parents in public...Its only in the four corners of their room he has stripped her off diginity. I love you for writing this analysis and showing us and making us remember who ASR is. Loved the episode yesterday and loved your analysis! 👏 👏
Pam,
Lovely Analysis yet again. I really liked how you have explained who Arnav Singh Raizada is and what marriage means to him. Great work! 👍🏼
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Posted: 13 years ago
#38

Tanthya waiting for your update.

Anna, Good job with the analysis. My favorite character too was Arnav Singh Raizada and the episode belonged to him totally. I loved your explanation of the girf wrapping paper too and also about the files. Well done.
Anjani. Loved your pointers, there was nothing to dislike yesterday I felt so. I loved every bit of the episode. Also liked the song. Heard it the first time. Thank you.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#39
Tanthya waiting for your analysis and Doods will wait for yours tomorrow 😊 Fabulous acting by Barun ... his expressions were absolutely amazing ... the way he switched expressions ⭐️ just hope he continues acting in the serial ... am sure its going to be really difficult doing a movie and the serial at the same time 😕
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Posted: 13 years ago
#40
Waiting for some more Reduxians.

Today I felt we needed to revisit why ASR went for a 6 month contract marriage.

When ASR was being questioned by his family for breaking the engagement with Lavanya, he had said something.

He said that I was not sure of my commitment and thats why I am breaking it off now,would you all agree to it if I broke it after( I made the commitment)

Also when Akash sought his support for his relationship he had asked him one question,whether he is ready to spend his entire life with the girl,and when Akash had said yes,he said then its done.

So for ASR a marriage is for keeps.

Coming back to MU what did he hear of the Shyam Khushi Convo-
Khushi asking Shyam to break the marriage


He had heard enough and he did not stop to hear more-


So according to ASR Khushi does not believe in permanence of marriage and that maybe why he offered Khushi a 6 month contract.

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