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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: serialjunkie

correct me guys, I am being accused of not understanding the USP of this show or understanding the character ASR.

What am I missing?



It's a case of differing expectations. Disappointment at how Arnav's character is being warped in order to achieve "intensity" of the romance we got promised from promo 4. The writers set-out to do one thing and they've completely screwed up in my opinion because it's done in the form of abuse - changing the perception of the show. Damaging ASR's character and Khushi's too. Rising trps adds to the issue because it means more of this to endure, I really hope this is the last ultimate ASR low and things don't get worse. It's like the frustration I felt when kicked her out of his car the first time late in the night.

Spoilers suggested this track won't be dragged out too long, here's hoping. I want him to be indifferent and even taunt her as gold digger but no more of this.

The consistency of the story irritates me slightly how can they show Arnav feeling Khushi's pain when she mentioned being orphaned again when to add to that he pretty much makes her homeless by leaving her no choice but sleep on the floor outside!😔😵
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Posted: 13 years ago
fab post 👍🏼

what he did was absolutely inhuman, there are no justifications for it!

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: showstruck

The character ASR has always been prone to violence...from the beginning realising the video, dropping her off his cabin, making her attend the carpark at night or day, giving her a short dress to wear, telling her uthake bahar feqk deta in front of ppl, throwing her out of his house calling her gold digger, calling her di's naqar, kicking her out of his car few times...what he did tonight that he didn't do before??

Does it make a difference that she is his wife today? Does that make his previous acts any less regressive?? Not to me...
Again, what did he do tonight that he didn't do before?? It was violence then and it is violence now.
How did we put up with it...maybe this time I should quit...or keep on hoping ASR will turn good and keep watching?? Did we encourage the cvs by making this show popular??



i think it was disturbing when it happened then and its disturbing now as well. but in the past, we were perhaps a bit more willing to forgive because we thought he is just that way and eventually eh will change.

well, this past week CVs not only hit the rewind button but also made ASR more angry, more violent and Frankensteinesque. I am very saddened by the dive south.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: serialjunkie

correct me guys, I am being accused of not understanding the USP of this show or understanding the character ASR.

What am I missing?

Hi smriti (did I get it right?)- I have earlier replied to your posts defending the marriage track. Usully I take things with a grain of salt since this is "drama/TRP world" and sometimes logic flows out of the window to keep the track moving and I am one of the submissive ones who takes it positively. But today I agree with you- I was also apalled by this act. I also did not understand ASRs actions/character today and I also agree with you. the way he treated her was not right, whether he enjoyed it or not, whether he suffered or not- he did something very very wrong...I wish we could somehow convey our feelings ot the makers and get them to damage control before it is beyond repair!
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Posted: 13 years ago
Not trying to kill the post but let me pause here for a minute and THANK YOU for responding to this post. Here is what you showed today to the rest of the forum:-

1. An unbiased opinion and open mindedness to understand the jist of the post
2. We can find flaws with the character of ASR and still love him, because we know he is fictional and in fiction characters always redeem themselves
3. Use logic, reasoning and arguments focus on the topic, without resorting to character bashing, juvenile name calling or attacking the post-makers, and thereby, taking the post to its 23 pages.

Heres an applause to all those who opined, whether you agreed with me is irrelevant, but you put forward your point without making me feel irrelevant. Thanks!!!

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Posted: 13 years ago
SJ
I would love to know how to make love to a pig ?😉
Edited by sunaina02 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
SJ, I'm on page 23 and delighted ... sooo many people feel the same way and have spoken up. 👏 .

The astonishing lack of both basic decency in this plot line and the absence of logic in the arguments supporting it stun me.

Defense 1: This is ASR's character, he's always been abusive. If we condoned it before how can we object now?

Well, we loved him in spite of not because of his flaws and it felt like he'd turned a corner as he fell in love with Khushi. But even then we didn't condone it, we hated it. But now it's worse than before ---- all in the name of intense love and unmatched passion that cannot of course manifest without abuse!

Defense 2: This is fiction people, chill! The producers/channel think ratings are paramount, no one intends to transform society for the better.

No one expects them to, although it would be nice if they did! But, it is not kosher to prey upon and reinforce the ugliest of stereotypes that dark deep love feeds off inflicting pain on one's loved one. The greater the pain inflicted the more passionate the love and the more satisfying the redemption. By reiterating this theme it only lends legitimacy to men (or women, although I do think this is relatively small) who abuse their lovers in the name of love.

O well, I guess I'm just glad that at least a bunch of folks have spoken up! Thanks SJ for giving us a space to be able to vocalize our position.
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Posted: 13 years ago
Arnavs face after ping through this thread . 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
For those who say it is just a show - shows are not meant to portray domestic abuse, racism, abuse violence etc and be able to pass it off as 'just a show'. The media has a responsibility it is meant to uphold. And it is one thing to show domestic violence or racism as part of a show where it is clearly defined as racism / violence and that it is wrong but here this type of abuse is being passed off as somehow a part of romance and love and passion. THAT is where it goes wrong. You cannot commit abuse and then say 'oh we need it so their love later is so much more passionate'. That is disgusting to euate love and passion with abuse needed to up the passion factor. But it is obvious from a lot of the responses on the forum that people seem to think it is ok to have abuse if it means passionate love later on.

So many people who watch this show will be influenced by it especially those women who are abused thinking that passion afterwards somehow makes abuse ok. How many times would you see women who are abused going back to their abusers because 'oh he really loves me and is very sorry' and tomorrow they end up dead. I'm not saying Arnav's character is totally to that level yet but this line of behaviour they are starting to show in Arnav needs to be nipped in the bud from now on.

We should all know that TV in particular plays a huge role in defining social roles etc and influences people so no it is not 'just a show' and all this crap should be accepted as part of the show.

An emotional distance, some taunting etc from Arnav's point of view would be fine for me as he thinks she is trying to break up his sister's marriage etc but not this type of behaviour. And I am honestly baffled that people think him throwing a blanket at her outside is showing his love and concern that he is trying to hide.

It's not totally the fault of Arnav's characterisation either - Khushi's characterisation is pretty bad too. She doesn't fight to get back in - she goes and sleeps on the pool? She sits and takes everything really - just because she spoke up a few times to him to ask why he made her marry him is not her being a strong character. Everyone is walking over her and she can't even tell her own sister in private why she got married? I'm tired of the Indian martyr bahus and wives. They set a bad example that if someone treats you badly you should just keep uiet and show a happy facade to the world. So many women who are abused do just that. I'm not one who believes in throwing your married life open to the world over every little fight but this is just overboard. Abusers act just like Arnav did today - they present a happy married life to the world especially to their family and abuse in private.

Anyways I hope they get rid of this part of his behaviour - I don't expect him to be nice to Khushi but there needs to be a limit and Khushi really needs to grow a bit of backbone to not turn this into the suffering wife / dominant husband typical serial characters.
Edited by Zzabi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: serialjunkie

Not trying to kill the post but let me pause here for a minute and THANK YOU for responding to this post. Here is what you showed today to the rest of the forum:-

1. An unbiased opinion and open mindedness to understand the jist of the post
2. We can find flaws with the character of ASR and still love him, because we know he is fictional and in fiction characters always redeem themselves
3. Use logic, reasoning and arguments focus on the topic, without resorting to character bashing, juvenile name calling or attacking the post-makers, and thereby, taking the post to its 23 pages.

Heres an applause to all those who opined, whether you agreed with me is irrelevant, but you put forward your point without making me feel irrelevant. Thanks!!!


Hey, SJ, been inactive for the last few days so was surprised to see the virtual blitz krieg in this forum today...I completely agree with you on the points above. What you said was not irrelevant at all. We all need to be reminded that sometimes there is a very thin line between reality & fiction. Its our perception of it. In the case of the storyline here, as many have argued, the CVs were basically trying to come full circle on the Nainital trip. Is that enough reason to justify such behavior on ASR's part? Perhaps not. But the CVs never promised us a social or public service message of any kind through this show. Furthermore as a channel, SP is notorious for showing jaw-dropping, socially unacceptable behaviors in virtually all their shows!

We've talked extensively about the mind games ASR has & will play with Khushi...Some would call this emotional abuse. Again, its how its presented. Can Khushi see past it & fight emotion for emotion? Or will she be a victim to it? I watch this show for both protagonists, and I know Khushi will rise. I am waiting for that moment. If I have to skip or fast forward a few episodes to get there, so be it.

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