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Posted: 8 years ago
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Dear Sush,
I am a silent member of the forum- obviously not today, as I want you and other brilliant contributors to the forum to hear this- I very much enjoy reading your perspective and the healthy and respectful exchange of views that takes place on this thread. I also think that Shwets' collages are fabulous and enhance this thread. 😊

Please do continue writing and I will continue to show my appreciation by 'liking' your posts.

Who knows, one day I may start writing actively if the show or characters grip me enough!








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Posted: 8 years ago
#52
nice analysis Sush
though i loved the bedroom scene because of direction and performance, chandni character is difficult for me to understand...but kudos to director and actor who actually made the scene sensuous rather making it look aggressive

I can understand Advay's thoughts perfectly...he was hurt when she didnt remember her lie...he lost his cool and then decided to charm her...

your views on chandu makes better sense...may be she is normal girl who yearns for love ...especially when you agree to marry someone just for parents sake, the charm of advay will definitely have effect on her... I hope we get more insight to chandu's character
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Posted: 8 years ago
#53
[Sush - First thing I absolutely adore your Sushpectives and please do continue it at whatever frequency you can put up with your daily routine. I love to read your point of view and I like the way you write. Please do continue the Sushpectives. ]
Yeah. Plz continue to write. It's always been interesting to read your piece of writings
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Posted: 8 years ago
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He has already heard and seen her lie blatantly
That caused his family destruction and death
so he will not believe her when she says she never lies
He wanted to see if she shows any guilt or remorse
But she does not as she has forgotten that incident
He is very honest and open with her about his intentions
I loved the name Jhoothi he gave her
She had thought that when she said she wanted to leave
He will some how stop or prevent her but he does the opposite
Chandni is so lucky that she has her siblings to share her feelings
But Advay is all alone he only has Murli to talk to
Meghna and Shikha disapprove of PP but they can't convince Chandni
Chandni is the perfect puppet for Indrani to use
Whatever she does and asks her she will do
She gave him so many names he gave her just 1 till now
He always has got a back up plan for any emergency
I was surprised she did not ask him to open his shoes on the bed
Chandni was fully enchanted else she would not have agreed so easily
I loved the way he lifted and carried her so sweetly
Advay just hypnotizes her and she says yes to him
Advay proved that her threat was a blank one this time
Loved that light and dupatta falling scene
His poem is a warning to her about the future
Chandni does not realize that truth that they are destined
Meghna is right their connection is permanent now
Best part was that small touch and then Jhoothi
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Posted: 8 years ago
#55
Loved ur take sush along with those collages pls keep writing 😃
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Posted: 8 years ago
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This is an interesting take on the episode. I liked the collages too!
I don't think Meghna is a Marianne Dashwood. For me she is a Kitty Bennett-without the Lydia influence- eager to experience this "love" and "attention" she had heard of so much.

I don't see Elinor in Chandni, at least not after the transformation of FL and ML after the first two weeks' episodes. She is more of a Catherine Morland and Fanny Price for me. But unlike Fanny later in the story and Elinor, she lacks that unshakable conscience that characterizes both of them. I don't see her strength yet, as the character at the moment is manipulated and developed badly by the script.

Advay seems to have morphed into a Henry Crawford, sadistic, sexy and sinister. Like Henry, he has returned, with the sole purpose of making Chandni fall in love with him to manipulate her in order to get his revenge and entertain himself.

There's no Sense for me yet in it and that affects my Sensibility to the whole thing.

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Posted: 8 years ago
#57
Sush...i just posted this in another thread ...(Rantings on screenplay)
Want to know your thoughts too...

I have still not understood how she has become from the scared girl who wouldnt step out of her house for years... in whose mind the vision of the untoward incident keeps replaying ...is able to allow the advances of a man...however enchanting he is...she looks star-struck...but where is the fear? Where is the anxiety and shiver that would make Advay wonder what is wrong with her...and why his seduction is not working?

As much as I love Barun and Shivani, am feeling disconnected with the serial ...

Advay's intentions are coming across ...but the entire Vasishth family behaves disjointedly ...mother not worried about keeping a guy in the house with 3 young girls...not worried about her daughter's likes...i get that she is desparate to save her samman...but still...just showing that she talks sweetly and daughter is devoted to her doesnt seem convincing...Mahant nowhere in picture...

In fact, every build up has been flat...except Advay's...all the tension about khazana opening...nothing happened...all tension about trauma experience...girl goes on with a normal life...all confusion about kundali matching...marriage still going ahead...all scenes about Chandini's evergreen thoughts about Dev...she has not missed him since Advay came in...all fuss about cleanliness...and she doesnt care about him walking on the bed with chappals on...all "dont touch me" and yellings...and letting him carry her...

its too much too early...

she can be besotted but there has to be some sanity...especially given her traumatic experience...

I see that the scenes of Advay and Chandini, however illogical are going to turn out beautiful and garner appreciation from the public...given we are talking about Barun ( and Shivani )...

but if the makers are going to take that overboard and get too carried away with it, it will hamper their ability to deliver a beautiful story sincerely ... and the entire opportunity would get wasted ...i know all loose ends cannot be wrapped up properly ... but if they want people to follow the serial for the story and not for Barun ...they need to work hard till end to deliver it ...

And the least they could do is to show Chandini's anxious and strong resistance to Advay...

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Posted: 8 years ago
#58
"My idea of good company...is the company of clever, well-informed people, who have a great deal of conversation; that is what I call good company.'
'You are mistaken,' said he gently, 'that is not good company, that is the best.
Persuasion, Jane Austen

Sush "hides face and then peeps out"

You know I am going to do that again and I apologise in advance but what to do, Sush, writers are always dreamers and I am sure you would agree to it. And I am only going to brush upon the positive strokes that have pulled me in to re-visit the underlying currents of the given juxtaposed equations in the episode last night. 😃

Anyway, so while I am over the moon that you saw hues of Elinor in our Chandni and Marianne in Meghna, which is how it is, and finally if I may add. But last night's episode left me in awe of the subtle writing that the makers have adopted and this one takes me right back to my cave of fairytale love coagulated with hues from Ms Austen's brilliant writing and I feel exuberantly elated at what I see is coming.

And apart from the endearing man who has captivated me with his flawless portrayal, the scene that worked for me in the episode last night other than the surreal romantic one was the brief exchange between Indrani and Chandni. Oh what a masterstroke of finesse. This is why I am here, day after day, those little equations that touch your heart.

Starting with Advay, the man who I thought would do an Edward Ferrars for me, pretty much remained me of Captain Frederick Wentworth last night (and I am only using this analogy for Advay). Yep, Persuasion it is, as he pursues his lady into marrying him. And we see an overlap of Ms. Austen's enigmatic writing playing subtly here. AND this is not it. There are hues of a fairytale prince charming that are underplayed right now to give meaning to his revenge. The writers this time have chosen Rapunzal to address the character and along with Wentworth , Advay takes you back to the man who was his Rapunzel's true love Flynn Rider/ Eugene Fitzherbert. And since I have already written about my love for Ms. Austen analogy to the show, I will touch upon the fairytale today. 😃

Oh the character of Advay is such a charmer and Sobti is devilishly slaying it like its no one's business. Did you see the analogies that were thrown? Advay went away with no family to look back upon and also because he was broke, leaving behind the memories of his childhood friend whom he thought was his confidante. And years later the man is back, on a mission and what is it that is on his mind for his old friend? That she is a 'Jhhooti/ liar." And she, Chandni or the Rapunzel has been living a lie too that her mother, Gothel has woven around her. Brilliant strokes of absolutely captivating writing if you ask me. 👏

And he, is conning her with the lie of love and romance, taking her in a dreamland and yet not giving into his intentions of accepting why he is here and what for. She asks him 'what do you want' and he says, 'you.'

Rapunzel: Who are you, and how did you find me?
Flynn: I know not who you are, nor how I came to find you, but may I just say... that you were my new dream.
Rapunzel: Something brought you here, Flynn Rider. Call it what you will... fate... destiny... ??
Flynn: It was a horse.

Coming to the Indrani and Chandni scene. Chandni or Rapunzel here has not stepped out of the house for more than an year. Why? Because of a lie and a nightmare she doesnt know her mother has woven around her. She is anxious and cant go out, much like how Rapunzel was held captive in the tower, her only friends being the things and the small creatures around her (read sisters in this context). And what a brilliant cue to the story was left in the episode yesterday when Indrani says that the wedding of Chandni is what is her aim and her motif. And Indrani so far has been cautious but there for a minute, she allows her facade to slip away and speaks her heart out.

Rapunzel: Hi. Welcome home, Mother.
Mother Gothel: Oh! Rapunzel! How you manage to do that every single day without fail! It looks absolutely exhausting, darling!
Rapunzel: Oh, it's nothing.
Mother Gothel: Then I don't know why it takes so long.

What lovely blend of portraying Jane Austen's story and improvising it with a perfect fairytale. And it will be even more interesting when Chandni agrees to marry Advay despite Indrani's non approval. Yep, Advay will get what he wants and will make Chandni realise that her Mother Gothel is not her well wisher but her worst foe.

And it will also be fateful to see whom does Chandni, our Rapunzel chooses between her Eugene/ Frederick and her Mother Gothel/ Lady Russell, a dream she thinks, she can live or a lie that awaits to pull her back into an abyss.

Rapunzel: I've been looking out of a window for eighteen years, dreaming about what I might feel like when those lights rise in the sky. What if it's not everything I dreamed it would be?
Flynn: It will be.
Rapunzel: And what if it is? What do I do then?
Flynn: Well,that's the good part I guess. You get to go find a new dream.

OR

Rapunzel: I think he likes me.
Mother Gothel: Likes you? Please, Rapunzel, that's demented!
Rapunzel: But Mother, I...
Mother Gothel: This is why you never should have left. This whole romance that you've invented just proves you're too naive to be here. Why would he like you? Come on now, really. Look at you! You think that he's impressed?
You would indeed have been throwing yourself away. And I should have been failing in my duty as your godmother if I did not counsel against it.

And I will only reiterate that little of what I had said earlier, that I am loving the show and the surreality with which it takes me to a dreamland, typical Gul style. I am happy that the last week and this week the show has shown improvements in leaps and bounds and I cannot wait for the story to unfold further. The characters and the dialogues are bang on. All I need is a little bit of that connect to the initial two weeks, where my Chandni stammers yet stops Advay and gives him a piece of his mind at the temple, letting him know that she is scared but she dares. 😳 And I am sure that with the improvement in the direction, the character clarity will also come in the upcoming weeks.

Apart from that Ritu and Sobti are full on going to keep us glued to the episodes that will follow suit since the dilemma of Chandni, our Rapunzel, will be tested to the T when Advay and Indrani play her along, And needless to say, that one whose a better player will win hands down.

As usual, before I sign off, a word of appreciation to the man who has made this show absolutely watchable and loving for me, Mr. Sobti, the Wentworth and Eugene, who with his flawless acting skills has made Advay believable and endearing. And I am awaiting the day when my Wentworth will acknowledge his true love for his lady, hopefully without meeting a Louisa Musgrove, who by fluke would be Lady Russell's ploy to keep Wentworth away.

I must go, uncertain of my fate; but I shall return hither, or follow your party, as soon as possible. A word, a look, will be enough to decide whether I enter your heart, now or never.
Persuasion, Jane Austen

PS Sush I have said this before and I am saying this again that I pledge my loyalty to the show as long as Sobti is on screen and you are on Sushpectives. Never stop writing, Sush, never. 🤗
PPS A lot has already been said in the thread and I would only say that for me neither Advay nor Chandni are in love now. Its a GK show, the love will come knocking on their doors only later.

@Shweta what lovely monotone to the collages my dear. You should use this one more often 🤗

@Bhavi Good to see you back 😳
Edited by Ecrivain. - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: meeyaa

Sush...i just posted this in another thread ...(Rantings on screenplay)

Want to know your thoughts too...

I have still not understood how she has become from the scared girl who wouldnt step out of her house for years... in whose mind the vision of the untoward incident keeps replaying ...is able to allow the advances of a man...however enchanting he is...she looks star-struck...but where is the fear? Where is the anxiety and shiver that would make Advay wonder what is wrong with her...and why his seduction is not working?

As much as I love Barun and Shivani, am feeling disconnected with the serial ...

Advay's intentions are coming across ...but the entire Vasishth family behaves disjointedly ...mother not worried about keeping a guy in the house with 3 young girls...not worried about her daughter's likes...i get that she is desparate to save her samman...but still...just showing that she talks sweetly and daughter is devoted to her doesnt seem convincing...Mahant nowhere in picture...

In fact, every build up has been flat...except Advay's...all the tension about khazana opening...nothing happened...all tension about trauma experience...girl goes on with a normal life...all confusion about kundali matching...marriage still going ahead...all scenes about Chandini's evergreen thoughts about Dev...she has not missed him since Advay came in...all fuss about cleanliness...and she doesnt care about him walking on the bed with chappals on...all "dont touch me" and yellings...and letting him carry her...

its too much too early...

she can be besotted but there has to be some sanity...especially given her traumatic experience...

I see that the scenes of Advay and Chandini, however illogical are going to turn out beautiful and garner appreciation from the public...given we are talking about Barun ( and Shivani )...

but if the makers are going to take that overboard and get too carried away with it, it will hamper their ability to deliver a beautiful story sincerely ... and the entire opportunity would get wasted ...i know all loose ends cannot be wrapped up properly ... but if they want people to follow the serial for the story and not for Barun ...they need to work hard till end to deliver it ...

And the least they could do is to show Chandini's anxious and strong resistance to Advay...


All valid points.👏

@bold- I feel we are supposed to decipher that Chandni is subconsciously attracted to the guy because he evokes innocent memories from her childhood that she holds very dear. That was very sweetly depicted in the scene on Friday when he cushioned her head, so she wouldn't hit the cot. Also Advaiy has no need to stop and wonder why she is resisting his advances, because he himself has been behaving quite ungentlemanly with all the sneers and threats. He knows that is reason enough for her to turn him down, so he is not going to give it another thought.

I feel around the time they get married (which could be two weeks or two months from now), there will be another attack of PTSD- which might alert Advaiy, but he would ignore it, since he is focused on his revenge agenda.

Sigh...I would love to analyse this show, so long as I am not made to dumb down through the rest of the scenes. The story is very intense- has a lot of substance- too bad the creatives expect us to become school children at times, when they could do so much better.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ecrivain.

"My idea of good company...is the company of clever, well-informed people, who have a great deal of conversation; that is what I call good company.'
'You are mistaken,' said he gently, 'that is not good company, that is the best.

Persuasion, Jane Austen

Sush "hides face and then peeps out"

You know I am going to do that again and I apologise in advance but what to do, Sush, writers are always dreamers and I am sure you would agree to it. And I am only going to brush upon the positive strokes that have pulled me in to re-visit the underlying currents of the given juxtaposed equations in the episode last night. 😃

Anyway, so while I am over the moon that you saw hues of Elinor in our Chandni and Marianne in Meghna, which is how it is, and finally if I may add. But last night's episode left me in awe of the subtle writing that the makers have adopted and this one takes me right back to my cave of fairytale love coagulated with hues from Ms Austen's brilliant writing and I feel exuberantly elated at what I see is coming.

And apart from the endearing man who has captivated me with his flawless portrayal, the scene that worked for me in the episode last night other than the surreal romantic one was the brief exchange between Indrani and Chandni. Oh what a masterstroke of finesse. This is why I am here, day after day, those little equations that touch your heart.

Starting with Advay, the man who I thought would do an Edward Ferrars for me, pretty much remained me of Captain Frederick Wentworth last night (and I am only using this analogy for Advay). Yep, Persuasion it is, as he pursues his lady into marrying him. And we see an overlap of Ms. Austen's enigmatic writing playing subtly here. AND this is not it. There are hues of a fairytale prince charming that are underplayed right now to give meaning to his revenge. The writers this time have chosen Rapunzal to address the character and along with Wentworth , Advay takes you back to the man who was his Rapunzel's true love Flynn Rider/ Eugene Fitzherbert. And since I have already written about my love for Ms. Austen analogy to the show, I will touch upon the fairytale today. 😃

Oh the character of Advay is such a charmer and Sobti is devilishly slaying it like its no one's business. Did you see the analogies that were thrown? Advay went away with no family to look back upon and also because he was broke, leaving behind the memories of his childhood friend whom he thought was his confidante. And years later the man is back, on a mission and what is it that is on his mind for his old friend? That she is a 'Jhhooti/ liar." And she, Chandni or the Rapunzel has been living a lie too that her mother, Gothel has woven around her. Brilliant strokes of absolutely captivating writing if you ask me. 👏

And he, is conning her with the lie of love and romance, taking her in a dreamland and yet not giving into his intentions of accepting why he is here and what for. She asks him 'what do you want' and he says, 'you.'

Rapunzel: Who are you, and how did you find me?
Flynn: I know not who you are, nor how I came to find you, but may I just say... that you were my new dream.
Rapunzel: Something brought you here, Flynn Rider. Call it what you will... fate... destiny... ??
Flynn: It was a horse.

Coming to the Indrani and Chandni scene. Chandni or Rapunzel here has not stepped out of the house for more than an year. Why? Because of a lie and a nightmare she doesnt know her mother has woven around her. She is anxious and cant go out, much like how Rapunzel was held captive in the tower, her only friends being the things and the small creatures around her (read sisters in this context). And what a brilliant cue to the story was left in the episode yesterday when Indrani says that the wedding of Chandni is what is her aim and her motif. And Indrani so far has been cautious but there for a minute, she allows her facade to slip away and speaks her heart out.

Rapunzel: Hi. Welcome home, Mother.
Mother Gothel: Oh! Rapunzel! How you manage to do that every single day without fail! It looks absolutely exhausting, darling!
Rapunzel: Oh, it's nothing.
Mother Gothel: Then I don't know why it takes so long.

What lovely blend of portraying Jane Austen's story and improvising it with a perfect fairytale. And it will be even more interesting when Chandni agrees to marry Advay despite Indrani's non approval. Yep, Advay will get what he wants and will make Chandni realise that her Mother Gothel is not her well wisher but her worst foe.

And it will also be fateful to see whom does Chandni, our Rapunzel chooses between her Eugene/ Frederick and her Mother Gothel/ Lady Russell, a dream she thinks, she can live or a lie that awaits to pull her back into an abyss.

Rapunzel: I've been looking out of a window for eighteen years, dreaming about what I might feel like when those lights rise in the sky. What if it's not everything I dreamed it would be?
Flynn: It will be.
Rapunzel: And what if it is? What do I do then?
Flynn: Well,that's the good part I guess. You get to go find a new dream.

OR

Rapunzel: I think he likes me.
Mother Gothel: Likes you? Please, Rapunzel, that's demented!
Rapunzel: But Mother, I...
Mother Gothel: This is why you never should have left. This whole romance that you've invented just proves you're too naive to be here. Why would he like you? Come on now, really. Look at you! You think that he's impressed?
You would indeed have been throwing yourself away. And I should have been failing in my duty as your godmother if I did not counsel against it.

And I will only reiterate that little of what I had said earlier, that I am loving the show and the surreality with which it takes me to a dreamland, typical Gul style. I am happy that the last week and this week the show has shown improvements in leaps and bounds and I cannot wait for the story to unfold further. The characters and the dialogues are bang on. All I need is a little bit of that connect to the initial two weeks, where my Chandni stammers yet stops Advay and gives him a piece of his mind at the temple, letting him know that she is scared but she dares. 😳 And I am sure that with the improvement in the direction, the character clarity will also come in the upcoming weeks.

Apart from that Ritu and Sobti are full on going to keep us glued to the episodes that will follow suit since the dilemma of Chandni, our Rapunzel, will be tested to the T when Advay and Indrani play her along, And needless to say, that one whose a better player will win hands down.

As usual, before I sign off, a word of appreciation to the man who has made this show absolutely watchable and loving for me, Mr. Sobti, the Wentworth and Eugene, who with his flawless acting skills has made Advay believable and endearing. And I am awaiting the day when my Wentworth will acknowledge his true love for his lady, hopefully without meeting a Louisa Musgrove, who by fluke would be Lady Russell's ploy to keep Wentworth away.

I must go, uncertain of my fate; but I shall return hither, or follow your party, as soon as possible. A word, a look, will be enough to decide whether I enter your heart, now or never.
Persuasion, Jane Austen

PS Sush I have said this before and I am saying this again that I pledge my loyalty to the show as long as Sobti is on screen and you are on Sushpectives. Never stop writing, Sush, never. 🤗
PPS A lot has already been said in the thread and I would only say that for me neither Advay nor Chandni are in love now. Its a GK show, the love will come knocking on their doors only later.

@Shweta what lovely monotone to the collages my dear. You should use this one more often 🤗


👏 Wow!

And how beautifully you have woven in the fairy tale, dear Ecri.

Those little equations that touch your heart...

So little, very often...but what makes it worth it all.

And of course, Genius Sobti.👏

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