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Posted: 8 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Sush,

Your analysis and Shwets' collages continues to keep at least some of us hooked onto the show. I really hope you will continue writing.

Yesterday- I was actually reminded of one of Gul's replies to her bashers on IPK being a franchise and how one has to get out of high school to understand that. The episode was flowing quite smoothly until our shatir dimaag hero decided to adulterate the noodles with sleeping pills and my dimaag suddenly woke up and protested. How on earth did he know Chandni wouldn't have a helping too! This is when I realised I have to get back to high school if I need to understand the writer. (Actually, lower primary or even earlier than that, since I was always quite an inquisitive child)

Seriously! The writer thinks she is writing for school children?!😲

The noodle sedative bright idea for high schoolers and the ridiculous stance on the bed was such an assault on my sensibilities, that I forgot to lose my senses over the ensuing romantic scene- which by itself was a beautiful moment actually. I have no one to blame but myself for not keeping my expectations as low as possible when it comes to the desi soap.

Cut to the next scene- which seemed a copy from season one for the star gazing scene- I had to spend a moment, wondering at how unimaginative people become when they take forward a franchise. But full marks for the scene in the previous episode where Advaiy gently cushions her head as she gets up. (That had been very sweet.😳)

Anyway, some time on the forum today and I have bravely decided to look past these minor deterrents and try and watch in a dumbed down mode.

I think I will definitely stick around- if only for the Sobti factor. He believed in the script and now I hope the script will do him justice.

Also enjoyed the sisters teasing Chandni. This is how I had imagined the track to go, so now will wait to see if it culminates in Chandni marrying Advaiy because 1)Her mother wishes it so. 2)She is at least curious about Advaiy, whereas PP is just a prop in her life and 3) Whatever other majboor situation Advaiy pushes her into.


Word! Chick!!

By comparing soap characters to characters of Austen's brilliant writing...I too am unwittingly setting the expectations too high...

However, you said it! Sometimes...the screenplay doesn't even live up to a soap standard if there is such a thing...

With all my good opinion of Sobti...this soap will keep me engaged with a good story/ screenplay to go along...and not just some romantic scenes that don't connect to me...I didn't finish Tanhayian or IPK Jashn despite Sobti...I hope this one keeps my interest at least for a few months...more than that I do not expect from any soap...

Gotta go to work...the thread today is so rich with so many brilliant responses...will continue later...[just to let the readers know...if I haven't had a chance to respond to you please don't be discouraged from writing and talking to other members on Sushpectives ...I have a concert to attend this evening...and still another book to finish for another book club meeting this Friday...watching this one soap and writing ...is just one of those things that comes on top and sometimes there are not enough hours in the day to do it all]

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: meeyaa

Sush...i just posted this in another thread ...(Rantings on screenplay)

Want to know your thoughts too...

I have still not understood how she has become from the scared girl who wouldnt step out of her house for years... in whose mind the vision of the untoward incident keeps replaying ...is able to allow the advances of a man...however enchanting he is...she looks star-struck...but where is the fear? Where is the anxiety and shiver that would make Advay wonder what is wrong with her...and why his seduction is not working?

As much as I love Barun and Shivani, am feeling disconnected with the serial ...

Advay's intentions are coming across ...but the entire Vasishth family behaves disjointedly ...mother not worried about keeping a guy in the house with 3 young girls...not worried about her daughter's likes...i get that she is desparate to save her samman...but still...just showing that she talks sweetly and daughter is devoted to her doesnt seem convincing...Mahant nowhere in picture...

In fact, every build up has been flat...except Advay's...all the tension about khazana opening...nothing happened...all tension about trauma experience...girl goes on with a normal life...all confusion about kundali matching...marriage still going ahead...all scenes about Chandini's evergreen thoughts about Dev...she has not missed him since Advay came in...all fuss about cleanliness...and she doesnt care about him walking on the bed with chappals on...all "dont touch me" and yellings...and letting him carry her...

its too much too early...

she can be besotted but there has to be some sanity...especially given her traumatic experience...

I see that the scenes of Advay and Chandini, however illogical are going to turn out beautiful and garner appreciation from the public...given we are talking about Barun ( and Shivani )...

but if the makers are going to take that overboard and get too carried away with it, it will hamper their ability to deliver a beautiful story sincerely ... and the entire opportunity would get wasted ...i know all loose ends cannot be wrapped up properly ... but if they want people to follow the serial for the story and not for Barun ...they need to work hard till end to deliver it ...

And the least they could do is to show Chandini's anxious and strong resistance to Advay...


Just one more response quickly...

@Meeya...I couldn't have said it better...THe chemistry is working...doesn't mean they forget the story telling to give us shoddy screenplay ...and ignore every character...but one...



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Very well written, as usual 😊
Even I wasn't sure if I would cringe watching a man forcing himself on a woman, to make her fall in love with him, but no, I didn't. But, the sad part is, unlike most others, I didn't feel anything, except for appreciating the talent of BS and ST.

I always think that the character sketch should be such that, when an actor of Barun's capacity portrays it, I should forget him and just remember the character, but here, because the screenplay is so disjointed, I don't feel anything for the characters yet.

I actually like the changed Chandni, but I am still looking for a reason for her sudden change. Also, if Advay wanted to impress her and not force her into marriage, he could have tried to build a good image of himself since the beginning, rather than threatening her.

I really liked the instrumental Rabba-vey, but the English one just doesn't fit in here.

Even I couldn't watch all episodes of Ek Jashn, inspite of being Barun's fan and liking the Jodi, so, as I always say, good screenplay, convincing acting and Non-distracting costumes are all i want to continue to watch this sabun.

Barun in white has been the best part of IPK till date. He looked like ☺️
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Posted: 8 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: -Sush-


That's a good point Sabi...she does have all those insecurities...and there is little reason to think this guy will make any sense to her...so she just treats him like a puzzle...but still I think she should be more scared of his physical advances...I wish they will show more of him realizing this and being more considerate...today...not grabbing her hand was a good start...

About Shivanis acting skills...ha ha ...who knows what she can do or not...so far what I have seen is good...and as you said she fits the character very well (extremely well)...


yep, time will tell ... I'm enjoying the demure look on Chandni right now ... And I love her voice ...even when she is angry ; she still has a certain softness in tone .. It's not shrilling ( and I hate those shrilling voices in the name of assertiveness ...but that's just me ) ... Thanks for reply
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Posted: 8 years ago
#65
Ecri ,

You around ??? This one is for you 😛





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Posted: 8 years ago
#66

Originally posted by: -Bhavi

bookmarking

will be back😃

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Can i start with Barun looked sexy as hell in that simple white pants and shirt 😳 This is the first episode after a week that i actually looked beyond his face.

ASR is ready to kill. He is at his seductive best. (Its too early for this story but as I said i will just watch it as a stand alone epi to enjoy it) He is confused by Chandni and is confusing Chandni too. He thinks its his haq to invade her personal space, to touch her and cast a spell on her as and when he deems it perfect. In his master plan he wants to hurt Chandni and that little poem that he recited tells us the same thing. He is literally living that famous dialogue:"Kuch haar ke jeetne wale ko baazigar kahete hain" and we all know he is the biggest player out there. 👏

Barun as Advay in this avatar too is rocking. His eyes speaks volume. He acts so well with his eyes⭐️👏

Shivani too is rocking as Chandni. ⭐️👏
Her confusion when he is near her; her dilemna is visible. She knows he is preying her but then he is too big of player for her.

They both burn the screen with their scenes even though its too early 👏 Usually such intimacy starts after few weeks/months when the costar gets friendly with each other.

The sisters today did not annoy me. Their bonding and convo was bearable. I still do not like the youngest one. Meghna is improving. Even their dress were bearable👍🏼

the only person that looked out of place was Indrani today. What was she wearing? 😲 Should she not be cooking when there is the roka happening? They have two masis at home. Why would Chandni be cooking? 😕😕 This part surprises me the most. Would she not be treating her daughter as princess especially on her d day?

All in all pahele it was badlapur IPK now its Mujse Shadi karogi IPK 😆 The only continuity i found was in Advay asking Chandni about that fatal day and calling her zhooti.

Oh and I would have kicked that ASR who climbs the bed with his slippers on😈 with or without white button less shirt he can take a hike. 😛😆

PS - Did they play the tunes in english while he was carrying her? 😕
Big cheer to the dialogue writer👏


Hey Bhavi...!

So glad you stopped by and watched the show again...😃
Enjoyed reading your take...almost can see you hitting ASR with your Jooti...for pulling that climbing on the bed stunt...white shirt and all aside...😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: tucana

Nice post Sush.

On one hand there is this numeric clown/price tag PP who Chandni has agreed to marry only for her family, and then there is this strange man Advay who is trying to woo her with all his charm. Though Chandni might not accept it yet, but she is getting affected by Advay's charm as seen in yesterday's episode and that's not surprising at all. Some women do go weak and fall for such charmers even if their mind warns them otherwise.

Some may feel Advay-Chandni romance has started too early, but I wouldn't call it romance. Advay is only trying to win her over. He is here on a mission. The real romance with sweet moments will start much later in the show.

I really liked the sisters scene yesterday. They asked Chandni if she is happy with the marriage alliance. They also spoke about Shikha's friends engagement. The flow of scenes and the continuity of story has been really good since last week.

PS. I like reading your posts, please do continue writing in this forum.😊



Thanks Tucana!
Yes, I have to agree with you the flow of the scenes has been better this week...I liked the follow up on friends story and so glad they didn't show Shikha actually beating up Mikku...she seems so delicate...the beating up ten boys personality doesn't fit with her looks...😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: Ecrivain.

"My idea of good company...is the company of clever, well-informed people, who have a great deal of conversation; that is what I call good company.'
'You are mistaken,' said he gently, 'that is not good company, that is the best.

Persuasion, Jane Austen

Sush "hides face and then peeps out"

You know I am going to do that again and I apologise in advance but what to do, Sush, writers are always dreamers and I am sure you would agree to it. And I am only going to brush upon the positive strokes that have pulled me in to re-visit the underlying currents of the given juxtaposed equations in the episode last night. 😃

Anyway, so while I am over the moon that you saw hues of Elinor in our Chandni and Marianne in Meghna, which is how it is, and finally if I may add. But last night's episode left me in awe of the subtle writing that the makers have adopted and this one takes me right back to my cave of fairytale love coagulated with hues from Ms Austen's brilliant writing and I feel exuberantly elated at what I see is coming.

And apart from the endearing man who has captivated me with his flawless portrayal, the scene that worked for me in the episode last night other than the surreal romantic one was the brief exchange between Indrani and Chandni. Oh what a masterstroke of finesse. This is why I am here, day after day, those little equations that touch your heart.

Starting with Advay, the man who I thought would do an Edward Ferrars for me, pretty much remained me of Captain Frederick Wentworth last night (and I am only using this analogy for Advay). Yep, Persuasion it is, as he pursues his lady into marrying him. And we see an overlap of Ms. Austen's enigmatic writing playing subtly here. AND this is not it. There are hues of a fairytale prince charming that are underplayed right now to give meaning to his revenge. The writers this time have chosen Rapunzal to address the character and along with Wentworth , Advay takes you back to the man who was his Rapunzel's true love Flynn Rider/ Eugene Fitzherbert. And since I have already written about my love for Ms. Austen analogy to the show, I will touch upon the fairytale today. 😃

Oh the character of Advay is such a charmer and Sobti is devilishly slaying it like its no one's business. Did you see the analogies that were thrown? Advay went away with no family to look back upon and also because he was broke, leaving behind the memories of his childhood friend whom he thought was his confidante. And years later the man is back, on a mission and what is it that is on his mind for his old friend? That she is a 'Jhhooti/ liar." And she, Chandni or the Rapunzel has been living a lie too that her mother, Gothel has woven around her. Brilliant strokes of absolutely captivating writing if you ask me. 👏

And he, is conning her with the lie of love and romance, taking her in a dreamland and yet not giving into his intentions of accepting why he is here and what for. She asks him 'what do you want' and he says, 'you.'

Rapunzel: Who are you, and how did you find me?
Flynn: I know not who you are, nor how I came to find you, but may I just say... that you were my new dream.
Rapunzel: Something brought you here, Flynn Rider. Call it what you will... fate... destiny... ??
Flynn: It was a horse.

Coming to the Indrani and Chandni scene. Chandni or Rapunzel here has not stepped out of the house for more than an year. Why? Because of a lie and a nightmare she doesnt know her mother has woven around her. She is anxious and cant go out, much like how Rapunzel was held captive in the tower, her only friends being the things and the small creatures around her (read sisters in this context). And what a brilliant cue to the story was left in the episode yesterday when Indrani says that the wedding of Chandni is what is her aim and her motif. And Indrani so far has been cautious but there for a minute, she allows her facade to slip away and speaks her heart out.

Rapunzel: Hi. Welcome home, Mother.
Mother Gothel: Oh! Rapunzel! How you manage to do that every single day without fail! It looks absolutely exhausting, darling!
Rapunzel: Oh, it's nothing.
Mother Gothel: Then I don't know why it takes so long.

What lovely blend of portraying Jane Austen's story and improvising it with a perfect fairytale. And it will be even more interesting when Chandni agrees to marry Advay despite Indrani's non approval. Yep, Advay will get what he wants and will make Chandni realise that her Mother Gothel is not her well wisher but her worst foe.

And it will also be fateful to see whom does Chandni, our Rapunzel chooses between her Eugene/ Frederick and her Mother Gothel/ Lady Russell, a dream she thinks, she can live or a lie that awaits to pull her back into an abyss.

Rapunzel: I've been looking out of a window for eighteen years, dreaming about what I might feel like when those lights rise in the sky. What if it's not everything I dreamed it would be?
Flynn: It will be.
Rapunzel: And what if it is? What do I do then?
Flynn: Well,that's the good part I guess. You get to go find a new dream.

OR

Rapunzel: I think he likes me.
Mother Gothel: Likes you? Please, Rapunzel, that's demented!
Rapunzel: But Mother, I...
Mother Gothel: This is why you never should have left. This whole romance that you've invented just proves you're too naive to be here. Why would he like you? Come on now, really. Look at you! You think that he's impressed?
You would indeed have been throwing yourself away. And I should have been failing in my duty as your godmother if I did not counsel against it.

And I will only reiterate that little of what I had said earlier, that I am loving the show and the surreality with which it takes me to a dreamland, typical Gul style. I am happy that the last week and this week the show has shown improvements in leaps and bounds and I cannot wait for the story to unfold further. The characters and the dialogues are bang on. All I need is a little bit of that connect to the initial two weeks, where my Chandni stammers yet stops Advay and gives him a piece of his mind at the temple, letting him know that she is scared but she dares. 😳 And I am sure that with the improvement in the direction, the character clarity will also come in the upcoming weeks.

Apart from that Ritu and Sobti are full on going to keep us glued to the episodes that will follow suit since the dilemma of Chandni, our Rapunzel, will be tested to the T when Advay and Indrani play her along, And needless to say, that one whose a better player will win hands down.

As usual, before I sign off, a word of appreciation to the man who has made this show absolutely watchable and loving for me, Mr. Sobti, the Wentworth and Eugene, who with his flawless acting skills has made Advay believable and endearing. And I am awaiting the day when my Wentworth will acknowledge his true love for his lady, hopefully without meeting a Louisa Musgrove, who by fluke would be Lady Russell's ploy to keep Wentworth away.

I must go, uncertain of my fate; but I shall return hither, or follow your party, as soon as possible. A word, a look, will be enough to decide whether I enter your heart, now or never.
Persuasion, Jane Austen

PS Sush I have said this before and I am saying this again that I pledge my loyalty to the show as long as Sobti is on screen and you are on Sushpectives. Never stop writing, Sush, never. 🤗
PPS A lot has already been said in the thread and I would only say that for me neither Advay nor Chandni are in love now. Its a GK show, the love will come knocking on their doors only later.

@Shweta what lovely monotone to the collages my dear. You should use this one more often 🤗

@Bhavi Good to see you back 😳



Ha ha ...Ecri...from Elionr to Rapunzel...Thats quite a transition!! 😆
Although it will be interesting to see if Indrani actually comes out against the marriage with Advay...which won't be likely or,logical because Advay is wealthy, owns the house and it doesn't help her to come out against this marriage or courtship...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: bangles

Dear Sush,

I am a silent member of the forum- obviously not today, as I want you and other brilliant contributors to the forum to hear this- I very much enjoy reading your perspective and the healthy and respectful exchange of views that takes place on this thread. I also think that Shwets' collages are fabulous and enhance this thread. 😊

Please do continue writing and I will continue to show my appreciation by 'liking' your posts.

Who knows, one day I may start writing actively if the show or characters grip me enough!




I love it when any new/ silent reader responds! Thank you so much...this means a lot!! ❤️
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Originally posted by: -Shwets-

Ecri ,


You around ??? This one is for you 😛





i think this guy is a brilliant find ...what comic timing 👏

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