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Posted: 6 years ago
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SC in her interview said that she didn't question the decision of the producer because as the creative team they know what's best for the show.Also throughout the show neither NM or SC ever questioned the creative team about any of the tracks. Whatever is given to them, they've given their best in performing it! So same can be said for NM now too, he was given track,without questioning it he accepted it and fully in his right to do so. And going forward all actors may work with the same PH and channel. That's between the the actors and channel/PH and nothing to do with the fans.So blaming NM for this entire mess doesn't make any sense.

However,when the actors involved never questioned the creative team in the past/present/future about the tracks , doesn't mean we the viewers can't question the PH and channel about it and this entire movement is based on that, questions r directed towards the channel and PH. And in this some fans direct it towards the actors and bash them is unfortunate and unacceptable. Viewers have always questioned the tracks when they r not good, doing the same now because Shivika story now is rushed and compromised to facilitate the generation leap.

The bottom line here is the producer here made contradicting claims regarding why this generation leap is happening. First it was "Chandu is not happy to do a child track but later it turned out to be that track is only to facilitate the leap. Then came " Shivika story is not holding " Shivika story isn't working etc where almost all the time for them it's an Obros story or super six story. Since merger the focus was never entirely on Shivika, a redux that was meant to test their love and as a gift to Shivika fans have derailed into something else in reality. So how can they blame Shivika and their fans for low trp and hotstar ratings!

Many shows have gone off air since the inception of IB, some ended abruptly too but the channel is willing to give IB an extension based on the brand value created by NM and SC mostly from the cast along with the creative team, an equal partnership here by NM and SC, but when that brand is carrying forward without one of the contributing partner, it's unfair. A generation leap is not the only available creative option out there. The way they've rushed the shivika remarriage now and adding illogical things such as making Sahil from this to next generation villain etc doesn't seem like a logical ending the producer was talking about! And there's Awasthi angle and going back to RU too. All of of these can be shown without further ruining the characters during this extension period!
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Posted: 6 years ago
#22
I feel that NM is taking a risk here. He will be extremely lucky if the risk is paid off. Unfortunately there are so many odds against him. It will be extermly difficult for the fans to get used the change overnight after investing on a show for more than 2+ years. There is no guarantee that the writing will improve with the leap. If it's a copy and paste once again would viewers want to invest time ? Would we get the same chemistry with the new FL? People will compare them over & over again with Shivika. It will be extremely difficult to imagine the new character par would be able to create the same magic or it will take time. How long will the channel's patience run out in this case? Also baring in mind the over roll cast bought power packed performance can we expect the same from the new cast.
Unless the writing is top notch, the new FL & the other characters give air tight performances or the show might fail before it even starts. It will be unfair for NM to carry burden & the previous baggage on his shoulders on his own ( he might have to at least for the first few months). So however much good actor he is if the other departments fail, I hope & pray the blame will not land on MN's head. He is taking a faith of leap with his eyes wide open & hopefully everything will workout.
I might watch the new season for a change but I have many reservations.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: yvon




What makes you think he wasn't aware? Ishqbaaz is Shivaays journey. He's star plus and the phs golden boy, they gave him a chance to play a new character. Off Course they would have told him the others won't be around the leap/season


I think everybody was aware, but they did not think that Surbhi exit will make some difference to fans. They thought that like they sidelined Annika in IB they can sideline SC. I am happy that fandom atleast did not allow makers to insult SC. She is going from IB with her head held high because of fandom.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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SC in her interview said that she didn't question the decision of the producer because as the creative team they know what's best for the show.Also throughout the show neither NM or SC ever questioned the creative team about any of the tracks. Whatever is given to them, they've given their best in performing it! So same can be said for NM now too, he was given track,without questioning it he accepted it and fully in his right to do so. And going forward all actors may work with the same PH and channel. That's between the the actors and channel/PH and nothing to do with the fans.So blaming NM for this entire mess doesn't make any sense.

However,when the actors involved never questioned the creative team in the past/present/future about the tracks , doesn't mean we the viewers can't question the PH and channel about it and this entire movement is based on that, questions r directed towards the channel and PH. And in this some fans direct it towards the actors and bash them is unfortunate and unacceptable. Viewers have always questioned the tracks when they r not good, doing the same now because Shivika story now is rushed and compromised to facilitate the generation leap.

The bottom line here is the producer here made contradicting claims regarding why this generation leap is happening. First it was "Chandu is not happy to do a child track but later it turned out to be that track is only to facilitate the leap. Then came " Shivika story is not holding " Shivika story isn't working etc where almost all the time for them it's an Obros story or super six story. Since merger the focus was never entirely on Shivika, a redux that was meant to test their love and as a gift to Shivika fans have derailed into something else in reality. So how can they blame Shivika and their fans for low trp and hotstar ratings!

Many shows have gone off air since the inception of IB, some ended abruptly too but the channel is willing to give IB an extension based on the brand value created by NM and SC mostly from the cast along with the creative team, an equal partnership here by NM and SC, but when that brand is carrying forward without one of the contributing partner, it's unfair. A generation leap is not the only available creative option out there. The way they've rushed the shivika remarriage now and adding illogical things such as making Sahil from this to next generation villain etc doesn't seem like a logical ending the producer was talking about! And there's Awasthi angle and going back to RU too. All of of these can be shown without further ruining the characters during this extension period![/QUOTE



NM and SC are employed by the Ph and the channel. If you hate or you are angry with them . Or if you have a disagreement with them. You find a solution to the problem or just let it go. If they had to go against their employers they would have been banned by the head honchos and the tv fraternity, where everybody knows everyone and their uncles 😆 . I'm assuming this.

Nothing against Nm sticking around with the Ph. He's given an opportunity, he might as well take it. What bugged all of us was that they came out saying shivaka wasn't working. And off course They put the blame on sc and she was asked to leave along with the others. That's what stunned all of us . Anyways this is all water under the bridge.

Anyways I'm glad she's leaving. Just cannot connect with any of the characters with all the nonsense they have been dishing out off late
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Posted: 6 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: Likiya90

Since people here r giving qh rant let me say few things.first leap happened when ksg quit on his will & new lead couldn't get ratings.second time when KVB quit he was brought back as there was huge backlash & zee heard fans demand & than again leap happened when kvb quit eventually after that show didn't sustain any long if I'm not wrong.

All these cases leap occurred because it was actor's will to quit.ph & channel had a talk to them they were given choice & than things proceeded further.but here while NM was given a chance.changes made to suit his needs other actors were just thrown out just like that without any option given to them.
Everyone knows Ib is what it is today only cos of shivika where nm-sc r equla partner's.u can call it an obros show or show focussed on shivaay alone but that won't change the fact it's only shivika who brought trps.
& Than comes the hypocrisy of channel & gul who say shivika doesn't work & than they go onto chunk off Surbhi while retaining the other half NM.
When nothing works it's cos of shivika & blame only Surbhi for it.but when ratings come it's all shivaay,obros or the other couples.
Surbhi didn't complain when show was termed as obros,no montage was there for her.while NM got everything served on platter to suit his needs.his vacations were accomodated while sc had to cut out cos of shoot needs.
It's the removal of an actor who gave her sweat & blood to make show what it is today without crediting her for her due & making it seem as if its only NM who made it what it is today.
No matter what one preach qh is & will always remain show of asad-zoya/aahil-sanam or a blackmark on daily soaps where a FL romanced record number of heroes.it didn't & would never go down as sj show alone.same would be case with ib.
NM would have his own reasons to stay back but theories of ph forcing him to stay back is absurd as he was the only one out of whole cast who was given a choice to continue or not.
Also bashing is more not cos he choose to stay back but his double standards of coming as someone who stands for a cause in twitter & taking jigs at other controversies but keeping mum when it comes to himself.


completely agree with this.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Lol for me the real tragedy in all this is how everyone starting from Gul is busy twisting the actual topic. Everyone is busy trying to explain away this mess as "oh, leaps happen all the time. Deal with it. Or "haaye my fav is being bashed/victimized or "NM ho ya SC ho, how does it matter if only one is retained. Deal with it

Again, this misses the basic point of exactly why IB or Shivika were not like every typical show where leads and stories are interchangeable. The actors in question had a unique dynamic which it now seems they also don't recognize and seem to think is so easy to move on from and continue doing the same old cliched shit on TV

I never watched anything of NM's before this and I'm not sure how much I will in the future. He only made a mark as Shivaay and SC had a once in a lifetime role as Anika. It was always obvious it all had to end one day. But the way it's ending after it was so painstakingly built up into something of substance for so long. Yeah that deffo leaves one with a sense of disillusionment towards the actors as well who also don't seem to get what the fans are actually hurt about and are oh so keen to jump to the next round of Gul shit. Lol ah well.

Everyone has to move on, grow, evolve. But how you close one chapter before moving to the next does stay with ppl. The actors may find it easy to move on in the blink of an eye as if every character they play will be as memorable. Lol but the audience will take its time. Everyone should be allowed their own space.


I am in no way saying that I am okay with leap or retaining NM as lead post leap is fine. NO..
My intention on this post was is it right to bash/criticize NM just because he choose to stay back !
May be I should have titled my post that way !

@bold...thats very true...Shivika were never "the" typical TRP couple and actors also never tried to portray them likewise...With NM-SC's rare chemistry, they made Shivika even more profound !
Gul even acknowledged in one of her vidoes, but this is was before merger, that they can only imagine the chemistry when they cast them but these two have actually created magic !
But now she conveniently blamed Shivika for low TRPs and SC not playing mom and thus paving for leap !

As you rightly pointed out Shivaay and Annika and in fact Shivika are one of those rare characters that have bound fans with so much respect and love.

I have never imagined that IB/Shivika would end this way ! I thought Gul wont do leap like her other show, because this is her show where both leads are dedicated through out the journey and still continue to be loyal to show in spite of the way the story/script has been spiraling down from last few months...

Edited by ithihaas - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
#27
All I can say is the intention with Rohini made this post is lost. There is always a counter argument for everything.

Good luck with your post Rohini. I can see where this is going.


And really want NM to succeed here.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Michmichi

SC in her interview said that she didn't question the decision of the producer because as the creative team they know what's best for the show.Also throughout the show neither NM or SC ever questioned the creative team about any of the tracks. Whatever is given to them, they've given their best in performing it! So same can be said for NM now too, he was given track,without questioning it he accepted it and fully in his right to do so. And going forward all actors may work with the same PH and channel. That's between the the actors and channel/PH and nothing to do with the fans.So blaming NM for this entire mess doesn't make any sense.

However,when the actors involved never questioned the creative team in the past/present/future about the tracks , doesn't mean we the viewers can't question the PH and channel about it and this entire movement is based on that, questions r directed towards the channel and PH. And in this some fans direct it towards the actors and bash them is unfortunate and unacceptable. Viewers have always questioned the tracks when they r not good, doing the same now because Shivika story now is rushed and compromised to facilitate the generation leap.

The bottom line here is the producer here made contradicting claims regarding why this generation leap is happening. First it was "Chandu is not happy to do a child track but later it turned out to be that track is only to facilitate the leap. Then came " Shivika story is not holding " Shivika story isn't working etc where almost all the time for them it's an Obros story or super six story. Since merger the focus was never entirely on Shivika, a redux that was meant to test their love and as a gift to Shivika fans have derailed into something else in reality. So how can they blame Shivika and their fans for low trp and hotstar ratings!

Many shows have gone off air since the inception of IB, some ended abruptly too but the channel is willing to give IB an extension based on the brand value created by NM and SC mostly from the cast along with the creative team, an equal partnership here by NM and SC, but when that brand is carrying forward without one of the contributing partner, it's unfair. A generation leap is not the only available creative option out there. The way they've rushed the shivika remarriage now and adding illogical things such as making Sahil from this to next generation villain etc doesn't seem like a logical ending the producer was talking about! And there's Awasthi angle and going back to RU too. All of of these can be shown without further ruining the characters during this extension period!



@bold: Exactly this. They are giving IB extension based on brand value which is created by both NM & SC. So carrying forward brand without one of contributing partner is wrong. They could easily change the creative team and bring in fresh tracks because we all know shivika not working in not at all true. NM playing role or not should be out of question and its PH/Channel who should be mainly questioned here. If they have so good story and trust on their writing then create a new show with new name. Why carry your leap with brand name of IB. and if they want to carry it then have both contributing partner on board.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Freebird_91

All I can say is the intention with Rohini made this post is lost. There is always a counter argument for everything.

Good luck with your post Rohini. I can see where this is going.


And really want NM to succeed here.


Nothing against NM here but I wish leap flops and IB gets shut very soon. If channel/PH are so confident on leap story then they can start a new show with another name. Why proceed leap with IB brand value by removing one of contributing partner of brand.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#30
I don't find anything wrong if NM does leap character for whatever reason. It could be promise of good characterization, money or anything that comes with it.

But i would like to know what injustice happened with SC? In leap format only one can be retained. So they chose NM. Since IB has been from SSO POV they might have chosen male character. How is this injustice to SC or discrimination? In female oriented shows, female characters take the lead in leap.

All this are PH or CHannel's decisions. what NM has to do in this? If he did not do leap, another actor would. Vikram was approached as well. If ppl think NM did not do toh leap nahi hoga is false assumption.

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