IB Offscreen Drama: Where Gul is Going Wrong & Where Fans Are

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AreYaar

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Posted: 7 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: naadanmasakalli

Just my opinion but did AG go out and started asking for sympathy and tried being a bechari? She kept her class and dignity hence despite all her psycho acts she still remembered Fondly For Whatever Her contribution Was. Even If At ThaT Time Rhe Reactions Wern't Same

So It Is Upto YoU How You Want to Carry Yourself.

This is such a valid point...I personally never agreed with the nicknames the fandom gave to Ragini either...calling her Nagini seemed so childish and petty...but the makers thought it was "funny" enough to incorporate into the show and ran with it.

Mansi seems to be trying to use the same argument that ppl are only questioning this action because it's her and her character is disliked in the show...and I don't agree with that point at all...I've always disagreed with and called out such things being done by other characters also...Svetlana has done far more horrible things and the most she ever got was a slap...do ppl seriously not see the difference b/w a slap to the face and a KICK to the face? lol how are they both the same things?

A lot of ppl denigrate Svetlana with other cheap names on social media too...calling her a "s**t" and whatnot...I don't agree with all that either...ppl can call out her villainous actions without resorting to such low minded name calling...so this argument that Mansi and her defenders seem to be trying to use that no one would have said anything if a vamp had done this doesn't hold water in my eyes...the issue here is that they are trying to GLORIFY Bhavya's kick as "heroic" since she apparently kicked a "vamp" Sumo...and my point is that I would criticize this just as much if this was done to another character...so ppl shouldn't be defending this action any which way, period.

And yes, whether it was AG or the actress playing Tanya or let's rewind all the way back to the original vamp Tia...they all got called all manner of things and had to deal with many personal attacks simply for being the third wheel keeping the leads apart but none of them went about giving extended quotes about it to play victim in articles...so we can clearly see what's going on here given the only two ppl who chose to come out and comment to defend this pathetic action of the kick.

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yellomellow

@yellomellow

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Posted: 7 years ago

#32

Completely agree with everything.

Rikara ended with the Bareilly confession. Nothing more for them.

Nothing going on for Shivika, who also have more that can be explored. Shivika have been doing the same scene with the same dialogue (at times with the same clothes) since the merge happened.

Rudra and Bhavya are the most ridiculous and sad in my opinion. No story, no conversations, and no chemistry. It's like watching siblings when they are on-screen. I don't understand why the CVS are pushing so hard when they don't even care to give them a story. I tried to give Bhavya a chance in DBO because the concept of the ACP was interesting even though there was no chemistry, but her character turned into a never-ending joke much like this shaadi 😆

Two adults getting married are asking other people to handle their marriage for them lol. Why get married then? An absolute joke. There was nothing moving or poignant about those scenes. It was actually ridiculous. Can't pick music for their shaadi, can't put on his own shoes, can't have a conversation, and now other people have to handle their marriage for them. The writers seem to hate them more than the fans 😆

As for the on-screen drama, her explanation or should I say defense of the scene was nonsensical. In 500 episodes, we have seen the most ridiculous vamps and villains doing the most evil things, but not one person got the treatment Saumya did. Tej tried to set his wife on fire, literally. He is dancing and getting hugs lol. This all stems from the fans and TRP audience rejecting Bhavya for the past 9 months and she knows it. The producer is upset and this was her way at getting back for the rejection 😆 Mansi doesn't write the script, but she is benefiting from the bias that's where the fan's anger stems from. I don't think it's right to bash her though. She is human too. The other woman comment was hilarious because Bhavya was the other woman for 9 months before the CVS's sad attempt to make Saumya the vamp. So, according to her it would have been justified if Saumya flew from Australia then kicked her in the face for having a affair with her husband 😆 I understand she reacted emotionally because of the hate and dislike for her character, but truthfully she made no sense.

Also, her comment about fans being upset because it's Bhavya is untrue. All the characters got bashed especially Shivaay, Anika, Pinky, and Tej. I can't speak for others, but I've had my share of rants when the content was sick, disturbing, or unnecessary.

I was happy Neha came back, but I never had any expectations. It obvious from how the CVS completely got rid of her in DBO that she was disposable. It's sad because she is an talented actress, but I hate the fact she she agreed to do that scene. Honestly, I was angry and disappointed with her. I didn't want to even defend her or talk about the scene. I refuse to act like it's some brilliant acting. With her talent she deserves better than that and she knows it. I'm still mad she participated in a scene when she is clearly the better actress.

Edited by yellomellow - 7 years ago

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akanksha

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Posted: 7 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: naadanmasakalli
Bottom line is not everyone can maintain class and dignity. Yes I agree mansi might have gotten some bashers but it is nowhere close to what NM SC get. It is upto you how to take it and how to deal with it. She wants to be bechari fine go ahead and be an able just keep *others out of her nonsense*
Not like the dukhiyara act can make us love her character or her. You are desperate for attention and it peaks through

Besides What Was The Need Of Justifying Something That Was So Outragious And Out And Out Unacceptable how Hard Is It To Keep Your Mouth Shut And Be Like You Can Ask My Boss Or No Comments Am Just Doing My Job . Agar Bohat Zyada Hi Keeda Tha Bolne Ka

I am sorry I can't sugarcoat my words caz bhai hum toh aise hi hai.

Talking about being called anda. Well tbh it isn'teven as offensive last I checked it was no galli . However, if we are talking about that then again take aditi 's character's example girl was called nagin/rags/chudail day in day out not only by fans mind you the makers actually incorporated that in the show and the characters started calling her that which btw is far more demeaning then being called anda

Just my opinion but did AG go out and started asking for sympathy and tried being a bechari? She kept her class and dignity hence despite all her psycho acts she still remembered Fondly For Whatever Her contribution Was. Even If At ThaT Time Rhe Reactions Wern't Same

So It Is Upto YoU How You Want to Carry Yourself.

It Is Simple What Goes Around Comes Around izzat Doge IzzaT Loge And Unfortunately That Is Durr Durr TaK Missing In Mansi ..

But y is a positive female lead kicking a negative female villain outrageous? I mean we see male Lead do that all the time. Infact male leads in many show r abusive both verbally n physically towards the positive female lead. Shivaay om has slapped n kicked many villains. Y is a female kicking a female outrageous? We dont even notice kicks when men do it.

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Nadaanmasakalli

@naadanmasakalli

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Posted: 7 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: luvakanksha

But y is a positive female lead kicking a negative female villain outrageous? I mean we see male Lead do that all the time. Infact male leads in many show r abusive both verbally n physically towards the positive female lead. Shivaay om has slapped n kicked many villains. Y is a female kicking a female outrageous? We dont even notice kicks when men do it.

just because it is normalized doesn't make it normal not even males hitting women or even males. sorry ain't supporting violence. beside just because sumo is negative it is ok. cool then I guess next time I should kick someone in face with a pathetic such like this caz trust me that enrages me just as much Under is negative to me

violence of any sort be it a man or woman is not ok esp kicking someone on the face. then be it svet, sumo, bhavya shivaay or tej. and that is a fact there is nothing entertaining or fun in seeing it or that doesn't make it right . period

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Anonyme

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Posted: 7 years ago

#35

Originally posted by: --Risha--

Ashti-

I can't tell you how surprised I was to see our forum ranking this morning. But then, ut sut shouldn't have come as a surprise, should it? It's been a long time coming. Gul can do the Bhavya chant all she wants but the truth is, the buzz of her show is sustained by the main couple.

Today, people are saying the epi is good, yet I have no interest in watching simply because the main track hasn't addressed a ShivIka issue for so long that I feel like its an effort to switch my laptop on :\

@bold the few she does recieve, she doesn't acknowledge so most have turned negative because thats what she's been replying to the most

One epi good, 2 weeks of nonsense. Earlier it would be 3 good episodes and 2 bad epis per week at most. Right now we can count how many good episodes we got since KRR-KM raaz-SSO was diverted to lame obahus bonding and obros bonding.

I watch only for shivika, but its tiring and zero attraction to see shivika only in group scenes, dancing and doing comedy for past 3 weeks.

Did you read harneet's tweet- full of drama week coming our way. I just want the cvs to finish this wedding and return back to KM raaz now. And please no more groupbaazi. Family scenes are beautiful, but they don't have their place in every scene and track. Groupbaazi can take the essence of any scene very easily. For example when annika for the first time called herself as annika shivaay singh oberoi- which was a major milestone for any shivika fan.

I dont care about ruvya's wedding, so hardly cares about the drama associated to it. Lets hope this torture ends this week.

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akanksha

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Posted: 7 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: naadanmasakalli
just because it is normalized doesn't make it normal not even males hitting women or even males. sorry ain't supporting violence. beside just because sumo is negative it is ok. cool then I guess next time I should kick someone in face with a pathetic such like this caz trust me that enrages me just as much Under is negative to me

violence of any sort be it a man or woman is not ok esp kicking someone on the face. then be it svet, sumo, bhavya shivaay or tej. and that is a fact there is nothing entertaining or fun in seeing it or that doesn't make it right . period
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My point was that if tomorrow veer wld b kicked by shivaay or om or rudy wld there be so much hue n cry? That wld b enjoyed no One wld care abt violence then. Infact shivaay himself has kicked many villains in the past. Here just because the fight is between females its being blown out of proportion.

I m just saying its even normal for male leads to be violent towards positive female lead, y in indian television we give so much leverage to male leads? That they can b violent to positive leads, villains evn govt servants who r doing their duty. But a female cant evn kick someone who is trying to snatch her love away? y cant A female kick a female villain? When male leads kick male villains all the time?

Edited by luvakanksha - 7 years ago

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Nefetina

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Posted: 7 years ago

#37

Gul is gul, the lady aint gonna change. 😆 The real love-hate relationship is the one between her and the followers of her shows- takkar ka ishqbaaazi in the real sense. 😛

As for the scene in question, i don't know what the deal Gul and her writers have with distasteful and sometimes scarring visuals that add nothing to the scene or track in question. The kicking scene did not affect me as much as I am emotionally detached from the show and its characters now.

Watched the clip and my two cents; it was a stylishly executed kick. Had it been part of an action sequence or even if both characters were involved in a physical fight with soumya throwing a few punches of her own it would have been a good scene. There would be a balance of power of sorts. ACP or not, this was someone posing no visible physical threat being kicked in the face, thus an unprovoked physical assault. Regardless of whether its a favourite character or the profession of another, the scene was just wrong. 👎🏼

What made it even worse was the fact the three brothers - grown ass men- watching this and making faces in the background. If Bhavya alone had been handling and interrogating saumya prior to the kick, it would have been somewhat (not really) acceptable, but the fact that she was called to "handle" Saumya because the Oberoi men's "sanskaar" would not allow them to slap or manhandle women. 🤣🤣🤣 Pretty sure all their wives would beg to differ here? I literally have no respect for these characters now.

Simply put it was a totally unnecessary scene and the writers are at fault here. They have achieved nothing here in terms of story or character development (wholesale degradation, in fact), but they have stirred up some controversy, so any publicity is good publicity?🤔

The offscreen side of things - Gul always lashes out. If we are gonna watch her shows, we have to accept that. I am no fan of Gul, but if i am to consider her side of things, she is consistently being bashed by fans of both her current and past shows (largely due to her own behaviour, but whatever), so now she feels attacked by any comment she reads. 😆 Thus she lashes out.

Coming to Mansi, that was not the best response to the question because the scene was distasteful. She could have worded her answer better, sure. But it's still ok, because as an actor and an individual she has the right to respond as she feels fit. Lots of actors say stupid crap all the time. Fans can voice their displeasure but from what i have seen on the SM platforms, they really go way overboard. The environment is really toxic where fans can't really differentiate between character and actor.

I am not a fan of Bhavya or of Mansi's acting. I can voice my criticism of her character sketch and her acting. That is it, because that's all that's out there for us as viewers. But to hound her and other actors daily for things out of their control like sharing a scene with another character, for their appearance offscreen, their offscreen relationships. That's way out of line. Fans must know their limits as a fan and most importantly as a human. Because i can't imagine some of the things being said on SM to these actors (tagging them) to a person in real life. Its basically harassment.

So while i don't say Mansi's response was correct, i can see where she is coming from. She and her character have been dissed from the beginning, so she may be feeling attacked and in her mind this is the reality for her maybe. Regarding other characters who were bashed for other scenes, that's true they were and the forum at that time was on fire. No one was spared. But also she may not know this because she was not part of the show at the time.

I have ranted a lot. I heartily dislike Bhavya as a character, but Mansi deserves some slack. The scene was trash. We can criticise that. We can criticise Gul on her poor decision making skills as a producer, Harneet her writing and Mansi her acting because that's part of the output for consumption as viewers. But we should not cross the line and start questioning their morals, character and personal equations offscreen.

While we expect responsibility from producer, writer and actors for their comments and actions maybe as fans we should also accept responsibility for our own comments.

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Anu5895

@Anu5895

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Posted: 7 years ago

#38

Originally posted by: luvakanksha

But y is a positive female lead kicking a negative female villain outrageous? I mean we see male Lead do that all the time. Infact male leads in many show r abusive both verbally n physically towards the positive female lead. Shivaay om has slapped n kicked many villains. Y is a female kicking a female outrageous? We dont even notice kicks when men do it.

Kicking a villain is ok, when they show FL and female villain are fight with equal aggression from both side then FL can kick villain then it should had great. Kicking just for making her unconsious is not neccessary. Where as u said ML do kick, but their kick when there are in fight. Without fight their will not kick directly on face.

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AreYaar

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Posted: 7 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: Nefetina
Gul is gul, the lady aint gonna change. 😆 The real love-hate relationship is the one between her and the followers of her shows- takkar ka ishqbaaazi in the real sense. 😛

As for the scene in question, i don't know what the deal Gul and her writers have with distasteful and sometimes scarring visuals that add nothing to the scene or track in question. The kicking scene did not affect me as much as I am emotionally detached from the show and its characters now.

Watched the clip and my two cents; it was a stylishly executed kick. Had it been part of an action sequence or even if both characters were involved in a physical fight with soumya throwing a few punches of her own it would have been a good scene. There would be a balance of power of sorts. ACP or not, this was someone posing no visible physical threat being kicked in the face, thus an unprovoked physical assault. Regardless of whether its a favourite character or the profession of another, the scene was just wrong. 👎🏼

What made it even worse was the fact the three brothers - grown ass men- watching this and making faces in the background. If Bhavya alone had been handling and interrogating saumya prior to the kick, it would have been somewhat (not really) acceptable, but the fact that she was called to "handle" Saumya because the Oberoi men's "sanskaar" would not allow them to slap or manhandle women. 🤣🤣🤣 Pretty sure all their wives would beg to differ here? I literally have no respect for these characters now.

Simply put it was a totally unnecessary scene and the writers are at fault here. They have achieved nothing here in terms of story or character development (wholesale degradation, in fact), but they have stirred up some controversy, so any publicity is good publicity?🤔

+100...and notice here that many ppl criticized the Oberoi men for standing there like losers smirking watching this visual too...but we didn't see any of the three male actors come out to DEFEND that action, did we? So it is very interesting indeed that only Mansi felt the need to justify herself out of the whole cast...as if it wasn't enough that she gave the quote for the article, then she went out of her way to tag her female co-stars on Twitter to show how much she loves them in "reel and real"...LOL not sure what she was trying to prove there.

My issue is with the continued SKEWING of what the original problem is...Gul anyways tries to twist the matter away from whatever the real issue is vis a vis criticism and cries foul/plays victim over the abusive comments of trolls...and Mansi seems to be literally copy/pasting her modus operandi here...it's definitely not going to win her any sympathy from the majority of the fandom that anyways can't connect with her character or her acting.

If she wanted sympathy, she could have maintained dignified silence and the ppl would have focused their ire on Gul and the writers who put in the pathetic and pointless scene for the sake of their ego...but Mansi chose to OWN the issue by jumping in and JUSTIFYING it...bad move.