IB Offscreen Drama: Where Gul is Going Wrong & Where Fans Are - Page 3

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--Risha-- thumbnail
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: OyeNautanki

Rish, Gul should stop being a producer & go back to directing or whatever coz she neither has the business sense nor basic courtesy.


She is ditching IB again for her new project & has gone too far this time. She can not disregard the show which got her out of bankruptcy time & time again & demean NarBhi, they always rise above the mediocre script & get the numbers with the right dose of supporting cast.

Everyone deserve the credit for the show's success but not everyone can claim equal credit 🤔

As for the other actress, yes she is human & is hurt by her character's trolling & bashing. As per me people in showbiz should have thick skin to tolerate all this if not find another profession. Liking comments on show getting closed, mocking & things, playing victim card & acting foolish will not gain any sympathies from me 🥱


It isn't Gul's refusal to name people who ACTUALLY deserve the credit that gets to me, I somehow can still take it if she had the basic courtesy - as you rightly put it - to address fans with respect.

You want respect, you've got to give it back, madam jee.

I also don't think she's as bothered by the bashing coming Bhavya's way that's bothering her. I think it's the personal attacks that made her snap. She's mostly been silent until recently when the personal attacks got too much.

Also I don't think attacks on Bhavya have been harsh - most of them are pretty accurate and come from a genuine frustration about the storyline.

P.S. which new show?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...Nihara...

Gul tells media that the fans trolls should be ignored and advice media to not take them seriously but herself jumps to react to those trolls desperately and retrolls the online fans by showing shit on the TV as if trp aunties doesn't matter to her but she always tells online viewers doesn't matter.


Recently she creates stuff only to take revenge on online fans,she doesn't care for her own money,her own show ignoring even trp aunties,who is going to be at loss?We viewers move on after some time but she is the one going to loose as she can't get this previlage for any show in future like Ishqbaaz,so she looks childish,dumb,foolish to me by ruining her own creation playing these childish games rather than focussing on what is needed.


You know what's funny? Gul doesn't realize the potential her production house has online. Her shows are always huge hits online and that's where the future is. Yet, she's hardly been able to create personal goodwill on the internet.


Ironically enough, even here EK takes the cake 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Risha--

You know what's funny? Gul doesn't realize the potential her production house has online. Her shows are always huge hits online and that's where the future is. Yet, she's hardly been able to create personal goodwill on the internet.


Ironically enough, even here EK takes the cake 😆


Lol yes as i have said earlier Gul needs to take buisness 101, even star wants to promote hotstar as a digital platform like Netflix, if she wasnt hell bent on ruining the show the show could have moved to hotstar only if star wanted it off tv, but even that doesnt look to good.
Whatever anyone says about Ek shows she is one hellava buisness women she has made smart choices at right time. Lol even today someone told me that apparantly guls fav hero is going to work on ek produced web series.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I love all these long essays - really enjoying reading them. But there is a common problem here, that is curtained behind our separate complaints.
IB's writing team is awful now. The creativity of the creatives has gone too far. It's not the fandoms, the 'extra' characters, or anything online audiences helms as an issue ruining the show.

It's the fact that the writers are writing horribly nowadays. Nothing makes sense. No continuity. Characters are now props.

Offscreen drama is unfortunately good for a show in the world we live in today. If the show is not performing well, this lies purely on how the track is being written.

P.S. Just my honest opinion.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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This is what the writers are doing on their grocery shoppings I guess...😊


Someone needs to guide them to better healthier choices... Only writing, writing is at fault... once that gets better, everything else surely will get better as well... 🥱 😳
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Posted: 7 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: --Risha--



Coming to the other side of the story - Mansi.

I'm sorry but the personal attacks on the ACTOR are where fans are going wrong. You're pissed about the track, I get it. You don't wanna see her onscreen, I get it. Her character literally has nothing to offer except to satisfy Senior madam jee's dinosaur sized ego, I AGREE. She's an average actor at best, I AGREE.

But she's also a real person. With feelings and sentiments. So comments that personally target her - where fans mock her for coming in the frame offscreen with other actors or mocking her natural looks or the way she eats (yes, that has happened) - it's TOO MUCH.

In the article released over the weekend and then the tweets in which she was defending herself, you can see the hate's getting to her and she lashed out back at fans (I honestly don't think she was talking about Annika in anyway but that's just MY OPINION). Was it childish? Yes. But for me personally, it isn't unfathomable. It's exactly the way fans have been reacting, too.

I don't wanna draw comparisons here because then this post will totally go somewhere else, but we all know how much our favs were once mocked, too. It doesn't feel good. And in some cases, the hate sticks for a longer period of time.

So you hate her acting, let her know that. You hate how she dresses ONSCREEN, let her know that. You think Bhavya is a waste of space, that's fine. But please differentiate between the ACTOR and the CHARACTER.




Are we allowed to discuss the actors here now? LOL ok my two cents then...


You state that Gul is guilty of only focusing on the "negative" feedback and not taking only constructive feedback into account, thus twisting the actual issue at hand...aren't you a bit guilty of doing the same yourself now in this case?


You are making this about the personal attacks on Mansi...when the issue is about how she tried to JUSTIFY the act of one woman kicking another woman in the face as "light entertainment"...that is what she got criticized for everywhere...her twisting the issue into "personal" attacks when most ppl were criticizing Bhavya's actions before Mansi just again deviates from the main issue.


If we really want to get into all this, should we delve into the amount of personal attacks SC has faced over the last two years and never responded in such a manner too? Relentless and way worse than what Mansi claims to receive in many ways...and what has her response been? Letting her WORK speak rather than the two minutes of PR fame.


Has Mansi in any way indicated that she's OPEN to constructive criticism about Bhavya? Where? Do point me in that direction, I'd love to see...when the character itself is the epitome of pointlessness, why wade into this muck? If she feels stuck as part of Gul's whims, the least she could have done was maintained dignified silence...instead she made the issue worse and only invited more criticism, much of it justified.


I would never condone personal attacks against anyone but the criticism of Bhavya's actions was justified completely and Gul and Mansi both twisted the issue into a whole another direction rather than addressing the matter of what was shown onscreen.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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According to me , for a show to work , u don't need villains .
Once or twice is fine , but every other day there are unnecessary villains popping up in the story.

I was kinda confused as to why Shivika fandom is disappointed even though Shivika come onscreen everyday.
But now I've kind of managed to come to a certain conclusion.

Every character here has a personal life , there are so many things which could be explored. But rather than paying a little attention over their own matters , each character is busy following the other. Currently the track is all about Veer's unnecessary , random badla for God knows what illogical reason ! Which fandom would like to see their favourite character running behind plans and people all the time?
ShiVika are behind Veer and Saumya ;and OmRuRiVya are blindly following them. So in short all are behind Veer ?
TejVi and ShinKy have nothing else other than planning parties and laughing around !
Are their personal lives so sorted that they can't even think about themselves ? Like seriously none of them have talks about themselves ; family planning and discussion of past is a far away thing !

Those TRP garners which I've seen always have multiple tracks running at a time. Leads have their own problem. Leads brother and SIL have separate problems , Mom and dadi have their own problems . Yet all are shown and there's no discontinuity . At the end of the day they are a family , and help or trouble each other only.

This is what is lacking in IB. They try to forcefully push everyone into the same problem. There is no management of an ensemble cast at all.In real life , if we don't have people around to add mirch masala to our problems or to help us out , would it have any taste ? Or how would things be if the whole world follows you 24/7 ?

There's so little to relate with this show .No wonder the audience is falling apart.
So basically , the whole fault is in the write up ! Maybe the writer doesn't have an idea of how joint family works or she purposely doesn't want us to be happy. NOT SURE !

We all may fight with each other ...but deep inside we all know how depressing and annoying it is.
At present no one is happy...No one !

P.S This was completely my POV. People dont have to get offended.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar



Are we allowed to discuss the actors here now? LOL ok my two cents then...


You state that Gul is guilty of only focusing on the "negative" feedback and not taking only constructive feedback into account, thus twisting the actual issue at hand...aren't you a bit guilty of doing the same yourself now in this case?


You are making this about the personal attacks on Mansi...when the issue is about how she tried to JUSTIFY the act of one woman kicking another woman in the face as "light entertainment"...that is what she got criticized for everywhere...her twisting the issue into "personal" attacks when most ppl were criticizing Bhavya's actions before Mansi just again deviates from the main issue.


If we really want to get into all this, should we delve into the amount of personal attacks SC has faced over the last two years and never responded in such a manner too? Relentless and way worse than what Mansi claims to receive in many ways...and what has her response been? Letting her WORK speak rather than the two minutes of PR fame.


Has Mansi in any way indicated that she's OPEN to constructive criticism about Bhavya? Where? Do point me in that direction, I'd love to see...when the character itself is the epitome of pointlessness, why wade into this muck? If she feels stuck as part of Gul's whims, the least she could have done was maintained dignified silence...instead she made the issue worse and only invited more criticism, much of it justified.


I would never condone personal attacks against anyone but the criticism of Bhavya's actions was justified completely and Gul and Mansi both twisted the issue into a whole another direction rather than addressing the matter of what was shown onscreen.


Guys bhavya's actions are not the worst in this show by far... there are far more worthy candidates. The extreme bashing was uncalled for given the show we are talking about...

Again, writer badlao...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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It's the writing writing writing. We don,t know any actor. It's the story and portrayal on screen what we relate to.can't relate to stupid dumbed down characters.
So sorry for the waste of talent of good actors, director.

Harneet and gul are story tellers, my son would write a better one in school.

No audience whether TRP junta or online audience will accept crap. Is this what the writer thinks of the Indian audience, it's an insult.

Annoyed.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: SRKisLove



Er, I hope my post does not spark off a debate and/or unnecessary fanwar.


Anyways, the thing is, I think, and no offense to any fans, but TRP in general comes from storyline. I mean, look at YHM, its not really selling good stuff, the same sort of nonsensical tracks. And its definitely not the couple or the romance which brings them numbers. People do not watch for Raman-Ishitia's love story, but in general for the story. Because the story is interesting. High drama + coherent story which is progressing in some direction.


TBH nobody knows that TRP aunties want. TRP just measures choices for 10% of television sets in the country. And thats a really low number of audience.

I understand why there are villains, because every show needs a villain to bring in the drama. But IB has too many villains now. And it doesn't make sense also because the whole thing is going in circles.

I think Gul's first mistake was launching IPK3 when IB was at its high point. Her entire focus shifted to IPK3. She needed crew for IPK3 so she took the crew out of DBO, and transferred it to IPK3 (eg. Atif).


But IPK3 turned out to be a disaster. Gul should have waited imo, wrapped up IB/DBO (separately) by around November-December, and then started IPK3 this year.


'Cos clearly this lady cannot handle multiple projects at the same time. She was having a tough job handling IB and DBO, and consequently DBO suffered. Instead of curing DBO, she started IPK3 and added to her headache.


Her second mistake, as regards Shivika, was when she listened to online fans. Online fans went mad at Shivika separation and created a huge brouhaha over Aditi and Ankit's entry. Thats why two weeks after separation we see Anika coming back into the Oberoi Mansion. Gul had a golden chance to give Shivika a proper angsty, separation track. But she blew it all up, made Ragini a clown and Ankit left the show, so well we don't know what Samar track would have been like.


DBO was merged just when the track for Rikara was going to get good. Rikara track did improve in 40 mins post-mereger IB, they had no villains and actually dealt with real issues. But also they had no screenspace. Its only ShreNal who could convey emotions in like 2 mins, otherwise Rikara would have fallen flat. As it is after the Bareilly track in November, Rikara fans left, and the TRPs also started dropping, until the drama quotient was brought up with Vanvaas track.


The worst was the whole Tej-Jahnvi-Svetlana track which went on for weeks and came to nothing. No fandom cared about that, no online audience cared about, and till date we do not know the purpose of that track. It was just some nonsense forced in the serial.

I really feel there was some change in the writers in the merged IB (+DBO). Some ghapla happened which we don't know.

I just think as a production house 4Lions is really bad because it does not take tough decisions like getting better writers or retaining good ones.


Coming to fans, yes some fans go overboard in abusing, but Gul also stoops low in responding.


Obviously this lady does not have the dignity to conduct herself as a producer.


Also, coming to Bhavya, please don't get me wrong but really there is something weird about the character. Before her introduction, DBO was doing okay not great but still managing, and doing way better than other shows in 10.30 slot on SP. But after her track started the tv audience just started leaving.
The same thing happened with 40 mins merged IB, I dunno I somehow feel that Ruvya track did not go well with tv audience even here.


Whatever happens, the actors do not deserve the hate they are getting, they are just doing their job and going home. People should not bash/mock them. Especially not make fun of how they look or giving them death threats (which has been done by all fandoms).

So whoever reading this, please stop wishing bad for actors, who are real human beings.



P.S. No point replying to my post, because I won't be replying back, or even checking this thread again. I had to write my view and so I wrote it. But I don't expect any decent replies. So, hasta la vista, kaju badam pista!


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