Why Harneet Needs To Read This Request By The Fandom - Page 3

Originally posted by: napstermonster

Actual gaps in storytelling:

Did he stalk her by visiting the chawl every day/night or what?

Did he stop her from getting all those jobs?

Does she know she literally caused him to have a heart attack?

Why did he buy her goddamn chawl for god's sake? Give us a romantic or insanely in love reason. Chalega. But close that.

Did she ever tell him what happened at the dargah?

Why a bike? And highlights? Seriously? Can she at least tease him, please?

NAPS..hahahahh beautifully written n way to logical for gulneet...😆😆😆

Originally posted by: --geny--

Me three...my patients level have gone down down with this shadi shadi drag fest!!Come on yaar...iss dragging se pak gaye hai...no patients even to know what will happen next-Shadi & SR...and phir kya?drag drag!

IMO both Shivaay and Anika have acknowledged their shortcomings about the separation day in the gazebo scene. They've apologised and shown regret for it and promised to each other that they'll never repeat this again. And both of them are not holding it against each other , they've decided to forget, forgive and move on. To be fair on him , throwing her out was in response to extreme provocation by her and her intention was just that. Before Shivika marriage she was fired from work in the Dev-Prinku fiasco, fast forward 100+ episodes and similar scenario where he was shown evidence that it was Anika who helped in Prinku-Ranveer marriage, he got angry with her but later apologised, there he didn't throw her out for that. Similar situation in NT and Pinky connection where Anika pointed out the same he got angry and said some hurtful words but immediately regretted it, so again no throwing her out there either. She targeted his weakness and the very reason she fell in love with him that is his love for his family. Had he not reacted the way he did on that separation day, it would've been out of character for him.

Of course they should talk about how difficult it was for them during post separation days. And the full extent of Pinky's deeds should come out in front of the whole family before Harneet attempts any redemption for her if at all it's possible!!

Originally posted by: Innika.

Thank you for this. This post absolutely needs to be framed, and re-read on national television, and maybe even be implemented on IB! I'm been on a bit of a forum hiatus for a while, but this post was just too goddamn tempting to not comment on. And I always do love reading your posts on the main forum, Navin! ❤️

If a loved one goes away from a weekend, the average human being is compelled to ask them how their time fared. These two love each other, were torn away from each other for three whole months, and the first thing Shivaay really does post proposing to her, is try to jump her in the kitchen?!

I think this is genuinely a big ShivIka problem; this idea that they know how to address everyone else's emotions and problems, but when it comes to their own issues, they just push it all aside. It seems to be quite common for elder siblings, or moreover, anyone who has been a protector for all of their life. They always seem to arrange their priorities in a way where they come last. Shivaay seems oblivious to most of his problems in the face of his family's, and Annika recognises them, but is so used to sacrificing, that she practically doesn't know how to help herself. Eventually, they're supposed to fill in these blanks for each other. Right now however, this is where Annika's insecurity is glaring.

Exactly. I dont know if Harneet can manage finesse, she does have 45 minutes she likes to fill with men in monkey masks and Rudra fixing water pipes, but there is a shorthand way of showing her insecurities--an event, or a festival. I would like one where Anika is run off her feet, trying to please everyone,Maybe she;s sick. Maybe she's sad, and no one notices. Shivaay noticing that, unlike every other time when she has been the glorified maid to his family. I remember how she was treated throughout the Prinku wedding fiasco, and my blood boiled not for Daksh, but for how she was expected to be the event planner and not his wife..and was supposed to be okay with that. But the time has come for him actually treating her like an Oberoi, firmly stopping everything else, making it clear to his sometimes clueless family (other than OmRu. those blessings) that she is MORE. She is his ASSO. So festival bhi, husbandly rights bhi. God, I've become a TRP aunty considering serial writer!😆

It won't take away from either of them, and I don't personally think it'll take away from the subtlety of their story either. I've seen some comments here that imply that Shivaay doesn't need to beg, and I also saw you clarifying that in a reply later. Hyperbole or not, personally, I don't think that that's too much of an ask. Yes, she gave their relationship up because she loved him, and hurt him bitterly in the process, but goddamnit, for all she knew, he threw her out with divorce papers in his hand, in an hour. That's all that it took. She didn't get that small luxury that he got. She didn't get to watch him from afar, every night. She couldn't track him down, and make sure that he was alright. She was jobless for three months, doubting herself because she just could not get a job, no matter where she went. She did not know the man that she loved had not divorced her, after all. He got that small luxury, did he not?

He did indeed. (But did he watch her every night? Or was it something he started to do after the dargah meeting?) AND he had Omkara, Rudra, and a good friend in Ragini. He got his mom's concern and his Dadi's tender care. He got to ride his bike around and be broody Heathcliffe. She got to worry--where will my next meal come from? How will I take care of Sahil?She got to stay with her friend and I am like 99.99% sure he was stopped her jobs. Bu why? to what end? I would like there to be a moment of her going, not self pityingly, but just, matter of fact... THIS is what my life was like. THIS is what you did to me. THIS is how I dealt, alone, without the suport that is your birthright. I would want him to go back to the promise he made to her when he found out about her being an orphan, alone and scared, fighting for everything. He had promised he would fill her life with happiness. He failed.

And yes, like you said, I do want scenes where Shivaay and Annika thank Omkara and Rudra. Personally, I love Bhavya and I do like Gauri, but their sacrifice was minuscule when shaded against what their respective partners did. The fact that both brothers could keep Annika's promise for three whole months, while being forced to watch their brother disintegrate in front of them, is one of the most heartbreaking yet most loving thing that they could do. The idea that despite being privy to their immaturities, none of them lost faith. I want a special shout out to Rudra and Gauri from respectively Annika and Shivaay; because both of them seemed to be the most heartbroken during the stupid Annika-Vikram wedding track. And obviously to Omkara and Bhavya, for holding the fort while their resident protectors were too being angsty.

Innika, I am telling you this show has made me realize that I have never seen a sibling bond as strong as this, on TV. And the love, the sheer and encompassing love these three men feel for each other is remarkable. Nothing breaks them. And more than love, which i suppose it common. Its the respect they feel, that goes both ways Thats rare. From the youngsters up, and from Shivaay, down to Om and Rudra. If Shivaay had been any other hero, he should have been furious with the younger brothers, for keeping her secret and not telling him. Think of the faith, the respect that he feels towards them, to say..okay. You've made a promise to someone ripping my heart out. But you have the right to your word. And I love you no matter what, and I will not force you through your love, to tell me.

And most of all, to each other - apologies and thank yous, for hanging in there, and not letting their relationship break, despite falling.

YES, they need a talk! One really soon, too. Romance and sensuality will go one, but right now, this is of the prime importance. Thank you for such a beautifully eloquent, and intelligent post as usual, Navin! Hope you're doing well, on your end ❤️

With love and hugs,

Innika

ps. What do you make of the Pinky issue, right now? Yes, he's ignoring her now but he won't forever. If they go the traditional way with this, then Annika will step in with her Mission Milan and save the day. Goddamnit, I really don't want her to have to - but how else will they close the track? Also, do you think she will be a permanent villain, or will they eventually redeem her? How will they redeem her, even? Thoughts?!

I dont see redemption, though of course Anika will engineer Milan like it's her day job. But the character graph that challenged Pinky with a "I will return, and he will bring me back" --I dont want that Anika to forget what Pinky did to SHIVAAY and to OM and RUDRA. Leave aside her own pain. What she did to her devars, to her husband? I don't see redemption actually taking hold-- Do you? And that sucks, because Pinky truly does love Shivaay.

We are not seeing a black villain. We have to see pure evil intent, right? And in her mind, Pinky believes she did what she did FOR her SSO. For the boy she created into the epitome of Naam Khoon and Khandaan. For that version of SSO who Pinky knows, Anika IS poison. IS an insult. In her mind, Pinky was helping. Was protecting. The problem is, the man she was protecting no longer exists. And that is something Pinky does not realize.

Because that man DID exist, even 3 months ago, when he threw Anika out, right? Pinky does love the SSO she has created. No matter how much that love is twisted into a selfish ownership, there is love there. She thinks of him as her prize, as the reward for her years of suffering. She created something perfect for the society which rejected her, but embraced him-and in so doing, gave her life meaning. SSO AND PINKY ARE THE SAME.

You do love your prize, your favorite and lost valued possession, right? She did do something right. Did that gilli-mitti form into a ruthless, ambitious, brilliant man through Shakti's influence? Of course not. Did the businessman of the year come via Anika's love? Of course not. PINKY made Shivaay Singh Oberoi. That man was all there was, for 30 years, and that man was one she made.

The problem is that SSO is wholly Pinky's creation, just like "Shivvay" is JUST Anika's. And it is Anika's Shivaay who wants to live now, who is in control now. This Shivaay does not recognize, like or even need Pinky. If she had been a better mother, she would have made her peace with the new person her son was turning into.

Like Dadi has no use for SSO, but has made adjustments for that version of him, even as she nurtured her Billu. Like Anika has made room for SSO (actually identifying it when he switches persona from Billuji, Shivaay to SSO and finding the SSO version hot, thank you very much).

Pinky has not done this. And she's lost him, the essential him, forever. And I think Pinky sensed that, way before anyone else did. She made SSO, because she is like him.The way she tried to stop Anika is exactly identical. She was using the ruthlessness, the planning, the working with enemies, the blackmail and sheer cruelty that SSO would have used if he needed this outcome, you know. We should recognize how much of Pinky is IN SSO.

Too bad, Shivaay is the one who got hurt.

Originally posted by: AnnzSageflower7

I get your point somewhat .. I don't think more apologies are required too. They established that both have been equally hurt & manipulated by Pinky's lies , they were just stunned that they had let go of each other's hand and gone apart so far over a cruel lie.

It was like he finally understood why she was so cruel that day, and she forgave what he'd done in reaction. Fine, we got that.

But where are the reassurances and promises that this won't happen again?

Annika should promise to go to him NO MATTER WHAT, trust that he will be there for her and not to make unilateral decisions.

Shivaay needs to promise to trust her word, argue and contest if necessary, but ultimately be the 'go to guy ' he promised to be long ago.

Pinky's duplicity was their acid test which has been identified and neutralized. But the threat is still acidic and present. Truth exposed but nothing resolved. That's why little doses may come in as they go into marriage again.

I think it's coming slowly. Pinky's insecurities still exist, in fact she acts like a martyr, unappreciated mother by her ungrateful son whom she had degraded herself for.

Notice that the only thing addressed in the expose was Pinky's lie about his illegitimacy. No one talked about how Pinky let ACP run off with Priyanka, as result the girl is stuck in hell awaiting madness and disgrace. No one talked about how she brought in an opportunist Nayantara to pretend to be Annika's mother, with sole purpose to degrade her and make her unworthy of being SSO's wife.

No one talked about how Annika was blackmailed to the point she was thrown out by Shivaay himself in disgrace. Instead of lovey dovey, I'd prefer if he was actively making it up to her by making her feel special. Yes, in words.

Originally posted by: LilyJames0194

Hi Navin! Nice to see you back.. :))

So I sort of agree and disagree with some of the points here...I will go with the agree first. All these gaps (above)...couldn't agree more!! In an ideal situation it would be amazing to see these two get around to each of these in classic ShivIka style - true feelings underlying within their small small arguments/bantering... and looking at the fact that they seem to be in a drag mode anyway again..these can easily be spaced out amongst the next couple of episodes...😆

I have often seen posts that aggressively get into Shivaay v/s Annika very quickly..so this is sort of an explicit disclaimer that THIS is not the intention... (I think I have read enough of your work Navin, to know that this isn't your intention either..but just for anybody else who might feel otherwise...:p). Having put aside the disclaimer aside, let's get into the whole thing.

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One of the main reasons I HATED the first ShivIka wedding was because of a simple reason: nothing that Shivaay would/could do would truly make it okay after that. He freaking kept her only family's life as ransom to ensure her 'consent'. I put consent in quotes because consent under duress like the one Annika was in not only morally wrong on a hundred different levels but also legally problematic.

However, having said all that...the journey that we HAVE seen...Shivaay's gradual journey into turning into this Ishqbaaaz is beautiful. This is the reason I ship them even now. This is the reason you ship them even now. This is the reason ShivIka are the definition of unconditional...fluffy eternal love that only truly exists in reel life.

2. Shivaay's love borderlines extremity

Assuming that most people have experienced love in any form, it is a grounded fact that love both weakens and strengthens us. This antithesis is most strongly tested in 'partnerships'.. mostly because other familial bonds like the ones between siblings and parents-children are sort of wired within us since the moment we start understanding the world..right? But partnerships.. no..we learn afresh the absolute vulnerabilities of being in love with a person who is by definition not of one's own blood.

Shivaay's love EXEMPLIFIES this. His most prominent vulnerability is his weakness for his family..especially his brothers..and falling in love with Annika has tested THIS vulnerability time and again. For example, the first windshield breaking scene...that was his ego hurt...watch that it didn't get out the reaction of obsessive hatred out of him the next time they met... but the minute his brother was impacted.. it was a whole new ball game.

But watch when he is actually learns that it was NOT her fault.. the obsession does not transform on to the third person who was responsible. Almost like only Annika brings out that extremity won't in him.

And this is tested AGAIN. The weddiing again blatantly testifies here. Having been proven wrong about her, he sets out to punish himself and her.

Cut to subsequent moments when he finally learns a truth that he actually knew all along - that Annika was not in the wrong. Watch again as the extremity dies not actually transform into obsession to get to Daksh - it's always Daksh who comes in their life. Shivaay's focus has always been central. Annika.

Then comes blackmail track (Mrs Kapoor)... here too his vulnerability is tested in terms of Annika. Anyone remember the way he asked for a divorce? For a man on redemption journey he sure didn't seem like he was trying to make up for it, did he? All his reactions...actions and subsequent nuances within the ML track all hint towards the same thing - Shivaay's world now..irrevocably revolves around Annika.

Finally cut to the beginning of the separation track. Three incidents - first, mom; second, his sister (Prinku) and thrid, his brother (Om)... all of them figuratively an attack on his vulnerability. All at the time when he had started coming to terms with being a 'unit' with her. His words about how not trusting her would mean not trusting himself come to me here. So for me, this was never about Shivaay's trust anyway. (It's another matter that the CVs made it about it later 😆) That day's extremity was just another REACTION to his vulnerability of having fallen in love with her.

All things : his extreme jealousy..possessiveness..protectiveness all of it.. just collateral damages in this war path to love that he sort of set himself and her on.

And honestly, don't we all love this trait of his as obsessively too? SSO doesn't do thing half way...once he commits he commits..right? 😆

And all of this...all of this Annika knows. Innutively...almost as if she was always a part of him. (Proved by the hundreds of chances that she continues to give him despite his reactions 😆😆)

I mean let's be real, this woman was okay with turning down not only her love, but his love too for him. Twisted...contrived... (turns out all for nothing too)... but isn't that also extreme?

Anyway, long winded way to the same point: Shivaay's love is extreme. And hence, him actually begging or even being more apologetic for this extremity in this sense dilutes the very essence of this love for me. And thus, my disagreement.

A token "I love you" or him asking her to forgive him won't cut it. His every gaze a caress of love, his every smile (which comes only for her) all of it stand testament to his love. I think a lot of people will agree (especially after yesterday's episode..) smooth arrogance yet underlying sweetness defines SSO... him begging or grovelling destroys THAT. So, while I am all ears for cute fights or uncomplicated conversations with underlying subtext that slowly builds together just how much he is IN love with her... a full blown out 'confession' would be tricky to digest as part of their story.

Plus, no matter how heartbreakingly beautiful Annika's unselfish love HAS been (and really, I mean this..it's truly beautiful how much unselfish this woman IS)... she used intimate knowledge of HIM and THEM almost ruthlessly to get him to do exactly THAT. So no more one sided apologies in this case please... I am honestly surprised by just how beautifully addressed this whole after math has been on the show..

Long post, with some ramblings..hopefully not fully incomprehensible. :))

PS: I am all up for the fun if Billu does decide to speak out the full speech of Ishqbaaz-eee as Annika wants.. but honestly it's a slippery slope.

Despite me also getting swayed away with the proposal and the adorable ShivIka moments with the family, I too feel it was brushed under the rug. It would really give the track more depth and give an even clearer purpose to it if they show Shivaay and Annika REALLY talking about it.

But I doubt they will ever attempt to even show this through. It is so common in indian shows for a MU to be cleared and then...the patch up. The closest ShivIka came to this is when Annika said during the gazebo scene "Mujhe aap se baat karni chahiye thi" and Shivaay agrees that yes, she should have talked it out with him. The whole point I suppose was for this to be the nail in the coffin for the NKK thing making it a closed chapter.

I've maintained that whole separation fiasco involved both of them making mistakes. Annika's biggest fault was that she tried hiding such a big thing about Shivaay from himself, irrespective of it being the truth or not. This is not the stuff that is hidden and Shivaay deserved to know about his lineage. But I also understand it was in her nature to try and protect her husband from something she thought would shake his very foundation. OmRu agreeing to it and not even bothering to explain to her was even more surprising to me. That said, OmRu have been the strongest pillars in these times. It must have been so testing to have to be faithful to both their brother and their bhabi, and I love them for this.. And the fact that if this turned out to be true, would it not be even more embarrassing for Shivaay to know that except for him, everyone else knew? I had wanted Annika to admitting she was wrong (which she kind of did) and Shivaay acknowledging the same. I though Shivaay would have been slightly upset the she never even tried fighting for him, their relationship.

And I know people complained about Annika taunting Shivaay about not having bharosa on her even though she literally staged everything to have it end up the way it did. But its true isn't it? Yes, she planned it all. But there must have been a part of her that would have wanted him to trust her enough to believe that she couldn't possibly mean it and there just has to be something definitely not right about it. Trust, yes. She did try and tell him about Pinky, he thought it couldn't possibly be true for his mom to do such a thing. Then why would he believe Annika could do ...all that? Then it became about Annika vs. family. Didn't he claim she was his family too. Then how can they be pitted against each other? He wouldn't have done the same were it some other family member, would he? Plus, her being humiliated in front of the media. Yet, I get it that it is hard to believe your own mother would do such a thing and it is very like Shivaay's character to toss common sense out where his family especially his brothers are concerned. AND it is also relatable that Annika still wished that Shivaay would have thwarted all her plans and just trust her. I had thought Annika would question Shivaay if he ever really trusted her or did it only when it was convenient. And like you said, I too think she needs a verbal confirmation from him about her standing in his life in spite of his actions showing it.

Both were in the wrong and this is just scratching the surface of it all. The chawl thing I too want it to be cleared but I feel like that was planned to get Samar's story incorporated but somehow Samar (and his dynamic with Annika) never happened. Instead, in came Vikram.

I really really hope Harneet brings the points you've mentioned to attention. I'd rather have all this being shown that go over all these unheard of rasams all over again. Wish we could just cut to the wedding.

I really went out of my way to throw in a lot of my thoughts about the separation here lol. Its all over the place too. There's still so much more to be said but I needed to get it out.

Originally posted by: blackorwhite

Hey Lily...

Don't have a lot of time to write a more detailed comment for this one.. Lily this was beautiful! 👏

@bold WORD to each and every WORD... Same to Same feeling on this end!

I agree with you it would be nice to see an apology and an acknowledgement of what happened by all the parties involved. I'm not a fan of "let's blame everything on Pinky" going on in the show right now. Pinky set off the chain of events, but everyone played their part in what happened. Sadly, I don't think we'll get anything more than everyone ignoring Pinky and none of the emotional trauma she inflicted on all of them will be addressed. Pinky is still the victim in her head and Anika is already feeling bad for her, which means operation unite mother and son will start soon. I do want to know what happened in the 3-month lapse, but its just a plot device to move the story along I doubt it will be revisited.

I might be alone here, but I genuinely disliked all the characters during the separation track. All the characters did and said cruel things all in the name of family and love. Everyone showed the worst side of them by lying, manipulating, and had no respect for any of their relationships or each other's feelings. I understand no communication and misunderstandings are daily soap staples, but I was rolling my eyes so hard from the sheer stupidity of their actions. Everyone went blind, deaf, and dumb to set up and execute the separation. The writers exaggerated everything up for the drama quotient, but ironically it didn't get the desired effect TRP wise and the bond between all the characters suffered.

I do find it interesting that Anika and Omru's actions aren't being viewed negatively. We have seen him do the same countless of times for his family, but he was always checked for his behavior by the fandom. Here, it's the same reason (for family) and their actions were just as cruel, but the reaction is different now. Everyone was wrong here, period. It's not exclusive to IB, but I dislike the concept of characters hurting others for their sake. This trope irks me beyond belief, but unfortunately it's everywhere and I can't escape it 😆

So much happened Daadi watched her entire family humiliated for the world to see by someone she trusted. A mother allowed her son to be outed publicly as illegitimate to save another son. If Om is illegitimate what does that make her? She made a mockery of herself and her marriage. Two brothers experienced heartache by lying and manipulating their own brother. A woman broke the man she loves to save him from even more pain. A man was broken by the people he loves the most. Another woman went batshit crazy and tried to destroy her family out of jealousy. Hitting the reset button and pretending none of it happened is a bit anticlimactic 😆 I was expecting more of a reaction after months of evil Pinky so this is a bit disappointing.

If none of this acknowledged and addressed then what about the viewers that waited months for a proper conclusion? They need a family meeting to discuss WTH happened where everyone takes turns apologizing for their part in Pinky's grand plan. It can end with one giant group hug because they all need it. It also wouldn't hurt to establish a family mission statement considering how many enemies they have 😆 I don't really mind all the daily soap tropes, but it gets annoying when the characters never address months of show material. The resolution should fit the months of buildup, but maybe the writers don't have the time or something.