It's complicated Bro... 11.7 - Page 3

Originally posted by: blackorwhite

Sorry.. I just have to comment.. and I don't want to make this Anika vs Shivaay discussion(I do like them both a lot...😊)..

sorry to butt in but couldn't stop myself from replying

Why do your posts generally and primarily just highlight how Shivaay failed Anika.. How he was not there for her..How he did not trust her.. How he broke his promises to her.. How he threw her out and divorced her..How his brain is not working.. How he is not figuring out things.. All facts and valid points..BUT

Why do they never talk about how Anika failed him... How she broke him.. How she did not trust him either - He also created a place of trust for her.. How she also broke her promises to him - Jungle and NT track..

After jungle track started NT track and he was the first one to not believe her when she said that she has seen pinky with NT. I totally agree that it is very hard to doubt on your mother but still he also knew that annika will not point a finger on pinky like that only bcoz she didn't do it before NT whereas pinky was all nasty with her all time. He even hurt her with his mother comment (although in anger but it still hurt for an orphan girl). He wanted to keep NT to know the person behind her but as soon as annika pointed that pinky is the one he threw NT out and when Om asked valid question he dismissed him and then didn't even dig that matter, why? It was matter of his wifes pride isn't it then why didn't he try to dig that matter further after throwing her out?

then again in prinku escape case, he yelled at her as soon as annika took pinky name that she went to see her. In private he said sorry but didn't dig the matter? Someone did open the door right and that same person tried to defame annika so wasn't it his duty to dig matter that who is trying to defame his wife.

.How she emotionally manipulated him during the separation and even after the lapse.. How she still has not realized how ruthlessly she went about the separation - She has realized he is lost without her and regrets giving in to Pinky's blackmail...but I still have not seen any regret/guilt in her for the method(emotional manipulation) she used... If she regretted that she would have apologized..

For separation she spoke all truth and I won't say that was emotional manipulation. What OmRu & Annika did after 3 months that J & drma that is pure emotional manipulation but in separation she used all harse truths.

She spoke everything she went through, all truths. Yes she was wrong not trusting him enough in his NKK matter and giving in to Pinky's blackmail but she didn't expect him to give her divorce.

She spoke harse truths and he threw her away? Shouldn't he had at least one private conversation with her before throwing her in that way. If she would have denied truth even after their private conversation then I would have been fully content from his decision. so apology is needed from both side not only from one

Also, Why is it only Shivaay's fault that there was imbalance in this relationship? Yes, he is at fault and yes this had to be addressed..I am not denying that.. BUT Anika silently let him take the lead in this relationship, so she is at fault as well.. She could/should have stood up for herself..

yes and that's her fault that she let him drive their relationship and she followed. But now we are seeing that she is not going to let that happen and that "I" needs to be converted in "US"

She did not think Shivaay was her family either.. he was her friend.. Otherwise she would not have done what she did.. and this was partly due to Shivaay's behaviour and partly due to her insecurities..

yes agree it was more due to her insecurities and Shivaay's behavior added to it. It was matter for his NKK and it was easy way for her. He did not trust her enough to include her in his family secrets be it Om's case or Prinky preg case bcoz somewhere he didn't have enough trust on her that she could protect his NKK(his family pride) and he gave it to those blackmailing. Similarly she didn't had enough trust that she matters more to him than his own NKK.

And not just Anika.. How will even Shivaay trust her now?? IMO, Even she has to gain Shivaay's trust back as well.. She has to work on/for this relationship as well.. She has a lot of learn as a well.. She has to redeem as well..

agree

As far as Anika is concerned.. I blame the writing for the above rant...😆

And I really don't mean any offense.. & Sorry again! Also,yes I have not read all your posts.. 😊So, maybe you did point out Anika's failures/flaws in one of them.. but I have not seen it in any of the ones that I have read..

Originally posted by: AnnzSageflower7

One thing though, when Annika tried to tell Shivaay, that Pinky was behind Nayantara, he completely blanked her out. She tried hard, saying that she was just telling the truth. And he didn't believe her. With what leg will he stand if he were to accuse her of withholding truth from him?

In anger, he shouted at her over and over, said cruel things about that. Saying she did all that because she didn't grow up with a family herself. So she cowed to blackmail, "You're never to accuse a mother" he said.

What was she supposed to do in that position?

That day, he was so sorry for shouting so much at her, and pointing fingers at her lack of parvarish.

Soon, he'll be so sorry for throwing divorce papers at her and cruelly throwing her out of his life..😭

Originally posted by: Docshradha

I rewatched the ranveer-priyanka engagement episode where kamini doesn't want Annika to be a part of the ceremony. Shivaay had made Annika return to their room . .

Originally posted by: angel_nonu

Since you mentioned this.

I still could not get that why couldn't shivaay tell annika about Prinku preg & daksh blackmailing at that time. I could still not figure it out that what was stopping him taking annika into confidence & telling her the truth. She got to know from msgs but why didn't he tell her then she wouldn't have gone all mistress taunts/humiliation in front of full family/media

Same in case of Om's truth when he let sahil get insulted. Some people say annika didn't trust her and was angry. But I remember that in their room when he came the first thing she said was there must be a reason that you couldn't support me their in open. What is it Shivaay tell me, why did you let sahil insulted when you know he is innocent. I wonder why didn't he tell her Om's truth. Or at least he could have said that I couldn't tell you annika but I have no choice as he told her in annika confession track that I could not tell you but I have to speak to Om as soon as possible and she understood. but he told her in attitude that i don't feel like answering to you. and just after that when she was said about her brother being insulted, he again threaten her about her brother, although false one but it did opened her wound that time isn;t it. Anyone understood why didn't he tell her the truth or at least explain that there are some reason & I can't tell you those?

Originally posted by: angel_nonu

Since you mentioned this.

I still could not get that why couldn't shivaay tell annika about Prinku preg & daksh blackmailing at that time. I could still not figure it out that what was stopping him taking annika into confidence & telling her the truth. She got to know from msgs but why didn't he tell her then she wouldn't have gone all mistress taunts/humiliation in front of full family/media

Same in case of Om's truth when he let sahil get insulted. Some people say annika didn't trust her and was angry. But I remember that in their room when he came the first thing she said was there must be a reason that you couldn't support me their in open. What is it Shivaay tell me, why did you let sahil insulted when you know he is innocent. I wonder why didn't he tell her Om's truth. Or at least he could have said that I couldn't tell you annika but I have no choice as he told her in annika confession track that I could not tell you but I have to speak to Om as soon as possible and she understood. but he told her in attitude that i don't feel like answering to you. and just after that when she was said about her brother being insulted, he again threaten her about her brother, although false one but it did opened her wound that time isn;t it. Anyone understood why didn't he tell her the truth or at least explain that there are some reason & I can't tell you those?

Originally posted by: angel_nonu

Originally posted by: Santhi_40

Infact I was okay with Annika till the separation track but post lapse as someone said I dont want her to sit n baby feed Shivaay like this. Doesn't she need to take care of his baby brother? or why can't she work while being at OM.

Originally posted by: Docshradha

There are many such incidences where I feel that shivaay has wronged her more . I can't pin point each and every episode . Annika being an orphan values relationships and bonds more than anything . She makes relationships with everybody who she meets . The policeman , khanna , inanimate objects like her chappal, bag , Scooty. Coz she has had no one in her life . She forgives easily . Trusts easily. Yet she is insecure . Insecure that in her life relationships are not meant to stay . People come into her life to leave. Shivaay had wronged her several times . The chip thing , dev misunderstanding , tia, daksh , forced marriage and many more . She has always forgiven him easily . Every time we wanted shivaay to work on his apologies, but he somehow got the easy way out .
Shivaay always uses Annika as a way of his convienience. He could have told her about the truth . Told her the reason why he was doing what he did . Yet he didn't . Because it was his family's reputation that was involved. To tell her about tej's adultry, om's drug addiction, prinku's preganancy was going to hurt his ego . The picture that he had showed her about his perfect family was a fake one . The oberoi khandaan's reputation was at stake . His pride was at stake . He couldn't do that . I think it was his ego that made him hide the truth . And he made Annika suffer , bare the brunt for his family's sake . And she did . Because she values him and all that he loves .

Originally posted by: angel_nonu

Cv's does not like to show Sahil until they need him for getting insulted/being kidnapped & all. We are left to assume about sahil. They said annika will be working post lapse but I guess at the end they will show her solving Oberios problem only and not working. Or probably they will have it as a track itself with her working.