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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am in love with your post and completely agree with it.
Thank you Vaishnavi and I yours. You have written such a beautiful reply, and your take on what i wrote, that I did not want to give a hurried response to it (half asleep). Sorry i took my time but I had to in order to do proper justice to what you wrote. 😊

I think this is the first show I have watched with such a steady and slow progress between the male and female lead. And i think credit goes to the makers of these characters and the actors who so beautifully portray the scenes, but more so to the makers for creating those scenes, writing those dialogues. It shows how much thought goes into portraying Shivikas relationship. They dont rush and say okay guys, fans want romance, give them it, fans want more passion and progress, give them it. Yes. In this one respect I am glad that the writers are giving us a unique experience with this couple. They are portraying the beauty of marriage not just of love and romance. They are progressing on a daily basis with daily struggles and everyday response to those struggles.

They progress they way they want to, and hats off to Nakuul and surbhi for portraying these scenes, that very scene where he pulls her into his arms, their expressions were so on point and it all the more highlights Shivikas current equation where he has become devoted to her, and him being SSO that the kinds of things this man does, he would take someones life for her, he'd wipe her tears, lift her forcefully and bring her home because she is his wife, they fight but she is now his wife whom he is fully committed to so come home with me and lets fight. Yes that is exactly what has happened. Shivvay is in a good place right now. He is at peace with what he has and who he has as his 'partner for life'. Now that he has committed and he has her there is no way he is going to let her back out of this 'deal' that he knows is the best for them both.
In everyday life husbands may or may not lift their wives bodily and drag them back but they do say exactly what Shivvay said, "fight, yell, scream and throw a tantrum but in your house and with your husband. This is OUR issue not the worlds and WE deal with it together not ALONE."

She has love for him stored in the most innocent and selfless zones of her soul. This Woman has seen a lot in life and its no wonder that now that she has fallen, she sees him as this treasure, to admire, to love, to tease, to try all sorts of things to get her way.
Yes. He is what she treasures because he truly is the only thing that will ever belong ONLY to her. Sahil will marry one day and be a husband and father even though he belongs to her but Shivvay is hers and hers alone. Even if becomes a Father it is to HER children and he is her husband and hers alone.
She does admire him, look up to him but thankfully does not revere him like a perfect God. She loves him inspite of his flaws and his shortcomings and that is true love.

Her inner child and innocence comes out when she is with him, and as a child she didn't have a chance to be naive and simple, she was always a warrior. And that is why he too indulges her like one. That is what irks Pinky - that Shivvay pampers, indulges, gives in and cuddles the 'child' in Annika. There are times he sounds and acts more older than her but that is the protective and nurturing side of him that she brings out. You see instances when he actually takes her 'in hand' and guides her thoughts and actions.
As far as I can see, for the past few episodes, there has been a conscious effort from Shivvay to 'Groom' the Mrs. Annika Shivvay Singh Oberoi in her. He loves the 'Just Annika' about her but that is kinda of the 'Mere Shivvay' that only Annika sees. The ASSO is the one that will face the outside world and tackle it. That is why he keeps saying, "you are MY strong Annika!! You can do anything and are not afraid of anyone"

So now shes taking a little extra time to fully become that wife in that aspect but her heart and soul already is his. I think this is so beautiful because it shows how much there is a stark differnce between Them and it doesnt try to merge the two characters now that sparks are flying. He is way ahead of this game with much more exposure and experience. We cannot expect Annika to just catch up with him by leaps and bounds!! She has to progress into the physical intimacy at her own pace.

Also, He is older first of all, he was always more exposed, he has been in two relationships before, obviously he is gonna be a lot more comfortable with certain things, he has studied in London, he has seen a lot of this world. He is a logical, practical man. Of course yes.

He is her first love, she has seen this world in a totally different way, love and relationships have never made its way to her except for Sahil. She is modern yes, but he has more exposure. And she is younger than him. Its cute to see the way he brings out naive innocent Annika behind all that tadi. Its not just Anni who brings out A shivaay version 2. Yes. That is true. That is the 'Just Annika' that comes out. It is absolutely adorable to watch her reactions even to his very mild flirting and advances. It is because she has never seen Shivvay like this and cannot imagine him saying and doing such things. He has always been Prinku's older brother or OmRu's older brother. It is only off late that he has started becoming (post Daksh which has not been too long) Mere Shivvay.

I think its amazing because she teaches him while she learns a lot from him too. They compliment each of ther and bring out qualities in each other that have not been fully explored by them individually. They encourage each other to become their true self, to be comfortable in their own skin around each other. They have always, from the very start, been their own selves with each other. Neither tried to impress the other with their good qualities and that is why it is so easy for them to shed all those masks when they are alone and just be who they really are.

Remember when he asked if she was embarrassed? That was the epitome of adoration. That was him saying, I am your husband, do not feel ashamed with me, I want to see the best,the worst, the good the bad, the times when youre happy and the times when youre a mess. Show it to me, let me bring you back to yourself, but dont hide. We are here to help eqch other, to see the ugly parts of each other, to see whats broken, and to not be ashamed, but to console and care for each other, because we are together and in this for life. So cry, bawl and cry loudly in my arms if you have to, sprawl all over my lap and let your tears fall, let your nose run damnit it really doesn't make a difference, theres no shame, no scorn no embarrassment. Just us together. Do not hide from me No words to add. So beautifully explained. That was such a brilliant take on that scene. 👏

They both screw up, they both think differently, and I love the way they haven't made them fall in love and be cliche and mushy as in other serials. They stay true to their form. And in their relationship they are equals.
I have dragged on a lot but such an excellent post about my favourite couple of all times had me riled up. They are and I think will be my favourite for a long time as well. I am going to be measuring all others to them in the near future. I can see myself bawling my eyes out when IB is no more. That is why I like the slow progress. As I said I want a 1000+ episodes of IB

Thanks for a beautiful read and such positivity. I for one have no complains about their development. I think its spectacular and so beautifully captured.
Anyways, is enough rambling. Nice post big hug to you🤗 Thank you so much for posting this very wonderful reply. I enjoyed reading your ramblings. Please always feel free to 'ramble on' on my posts. It was positively enjoyable to meet and read another ShivIka enthusiast

Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#32
Im ok with shivika progress even i love shivika for their emotional bonding e.t.c instead of physically attraction only.
My only prob is that shivika need to spend time with eachother for their growth but in show they r busy with detective stuff aur future mein bhi i see no further growth just consoling stuff aur phir koi dna test e.t.c
They r busy in the problems and r not getting proper scene..by proper scene i don't mean romantic scene but proper conversation scene.
Ib mein nowadays either track starts with comedy and end with comedy or starts with drama and ends with drama.
Since they won international jodi award.They r not even getting proper ss.I mean maximum time is taken by nt-pinky drama or priveer.
beech mein shivika ka hug ya forehead kiss dal dete hain.
next week bhi kuch nahi hona.Because MS mein bhi bakwas drama hoga shivka ka koi proper scene nahi milega.
I don't like random comedy or romantic scene which i m expected that we will get in ms along with drama and drama
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Beautifully explained but my problem is it has taken 220+ episodes for shivay (them) to reach where they are today will it take other 200+ episodes to progress??? From what I see, and again this is only my viewpoint, ShivIka is a journey.

So that was the 200+ episodes was getting to the point where they are at now. I do agree it has been a long journey and there are days I feel the frustration as well but then I look back at the old episodes and understand why.
It was the journey that we enjoyed. Their clashing with each other, their challenges, their back-and-forth, their oh! so naked attraction to each other, their denial that they felt that, their fighting that attraction, them being committed to other people, the angst of not being able to be together and facing the fact that they may never be, their most inner desires coming to pass but in the most dark and unfavorable way, the marriage and then finally the acceptance.
whew!!! That for me was STAGE 1 in the rocket launch.

So the 200+ episodes were life prior to marriage, during the Daksh phase, post marriage, post MU, during Tia and post Tia. I look at their relationship as going from stage to stage and from point to point. You have to agree that they are a very volatile and alive couple and never sit still...lol 😉


I would not mind the slow pace if there was something meaningful going on in at least 1-2 episodes each week but since last1and 1/2 weeks it's utter nonsense( my take) that they are showing ..last week does not even qualify for filler episodes . It has not been utter nonsense I feel (again my opinion) but is laying the foundation and ground for launching the STAGE 2 in this ShivIka marriage.
So he has accepted her and she is now his wife. What now?? This NKK is being worked on but that is not solving the 'Mother of my children' bit till there comes a catalyst that will force him to think or rethink the whole take he has on a future with her. That is the catalyst that is at work here. Her lack of NKK, as Pinky rightly said, forces him think about his future with her. What will he tell his kids about their mother?? Is her being 'Just Annika' enough for him to be proud of or does it matter that he knows who she is and where she is from??!!
Mahi is the catalyst for Shivvay-Pinky dynamics. It is not just Shivvay who needs to change but Pinky as well!! How long is Annika going to call her Pinky Aunty?? What will Shivvay's kids call her?? Bua Ma or Dadi??

Do not know what the CV's are after but I for once did not get or understand what last week was meant to achieve . Like with Tia's episodes had they shown some movement along with these atrocious Pinky and NT episodes it would have made some sense . There is movement if you look outside the box and outside the ShivIka dynamics. They cannot exist in a vacuum and neither can their relationship. These are characters that interact and move their relationship forward and give it the momentum they require.

I really do not like how they start off with new set of troubles n conspiracies with out proper conclusion to the previous ones, no connecting dots at all . lol ... no comments there. That I totally agree with.😆 There is no flow and continuity. Too many Vamps/ Villains with sub plots that are scattred and no connectivity. That is so agree with.

So guys my take is all together revenge, vengeance,plotting,fighting back along with Shivika makes it a whole package for me
.lol true but with more ShivIka in this combination right??? 😉
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Posted: 8 years ago
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So well written and I totally agree with you...!! 👍🏼👏

Actually I am pretty happy with this progress and I feel that it's NOT a baby step and rather quite a steady progress from Shivaay's side..!! The man is in charge and making every first move..!! 😳 lol ... yes he is but then has he not always been in charge of this relationship?? It is seldom that he gives the reins in Annika's hands and even that is only for minor decisions 😉 Control Freak hai humara Billu

He is pretty-much obsessed with his wife and wants to see her every time he opens his eyes.. He wants her in his bed, he wants to be aware of her every move during the day and even willing to share his own daily routine with her... He shares his problems/plans with her effortlessly (which he never does with his brothers) and work in unison with ASSO.. Oh! yes he does and unfortunately he has to ask now because his Annika Radar has been broken since she slapped him on the wedding day na !!! Toh now Billu has to rely on verbal information just like other normal couples. 😆 I think Annika needs to give him another knock to get it working again ... 🤣 🤣

He truly depends on her, mentally..!! During the kidnap trap, he cried with her name.. as he thought she is his savior..!! Yes, SSO is a human being with flesh and blood when he is with his Annika..!!😳😳 I believe it was the fear of never seeing her again. The man cannot imagine what it would be not to have her by his side. He is very soon going to fear death only because now he has a reason to live.

In contrast, he was never ever close to Tia and his body languages said it all, every time..!! Whereas, with Annika he is a different version, SSO2 from the beginning..!! 😃 Tia and he were, like Annika pointed out, more brother and sister ...lol That is what Robin said for Raksha Bandhan remember ??? 🤣 🤣

I hope soon he gets the last inhibition nailed from his side and once that happens I think he'll try to go to the next step...!!😳 And we'll see a 'bhook-track'...😉 I think he already has. It is just that he is no rush with this relationship because he knows that Annika is here to stay and he is never going to let her go. I think he is enjoying teasing, flirting and courting her. It is the fun stage in any relationship you know. The first early days .. sigh!!!

I was quite surprised to see that he was so comfortable with Annika that even telling her about his bachelor-days when he used to watch such movies...😆😆 And Annika is totally opposite to this, as she mentioned Soumya that she can't watch those stuffs..😉😉😉 .. I'm pretty sure there will be many more late-night shows coming in Shivika's life, from 'pyaar ka bukhar' to 'Jism ki bhookh'...😆😆 That is because it was like talking to his GF. He knows that he does not have to pretend with her and he can be himself. And besides, he probably feels it is better for her to now that he does have such thoughts and has an idea of what a marriage takes. 😆
Annika 'Prinyanka key Bade Bhaiya' mode se bahar aye toh usse Shivvay dikhe na?? 🤣 🤣

And I am eager to see Annika's inhibition at this point and a frustrated SSO 😆😆😆. Frustrated toh Bandha earlier tha when he was not sure that she also felt something for him but after winning the Dard game he is only marking his time now.

You have written quite beautifully that Annika may love him, but she has her physical inhibition FULL ON.. she was horribly uncomfortable with SSO's dirty talks... 😆😆 And somewhere I feel that Annika is still unsure of the future of their relationship..!! i don't think she has any doubts about his commitment now after NT but yes, she does need to start looking at Shivvay as a husband for sure. That might take a little while as she is not used to this 'Chichora Piya' 🤣

But I know that my dream to see a separation track (even for a week) and a working Annika will remain a dream only..!! 😆 Because SSO2 will hunt her down and make sure that she remains glued with HIM only..!! 😆 Separation is not necessary for these two because he is redeeming hiself while they are together and that is a very novel concept. Frankly I liked that they did this now. They did not take the cliched route.
We have been shown time and again that he cannot live without her and that is what separation was about right?? His tadap!! So we do see him tadap but not because he is separate from her but because living with her he realizes how alone and vulnerable she has been and still is. His anguish and pain to live that part of her life and understand it is better than any separation.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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One less chameli... Lolz... Never!!! Gouri would never send me a chameli and that I am 100% sure of 😊

Shivika Have made great emotional level progress and that's very imp... Physical intimacy will come when both are comfortable... Annika's fear of abandonment has to go completely whole Shivaay's NKK in terms of mother of my child needs to go for physical intimacy to go to next level and the current track is working towards that... Im loving it but only worried that despite ipl when numbers r low for most shows, IB has slipped in ranks and that's kind of worrying...

I think that the trps will climb once the NT track is done and with Pinky's OMM beginning. Mahi and his revelation will bring that back up.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Very very well said.
You are very astute Asya.(I don't know your real name but loved your post so had to comment) Thank you.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Such an intriguing post pearl! 😊 I love reading your posts and your insight into Shivaay's mind.. this is the first time I'm replying to your post as usually I don't have much to say but today I just loved your points and am inclined to post a reply!! Thank you. That is an honor 😊

I agree.. amongst all the love stories shown on television.. I believe ShivIka's is the most detailed, intriguing and minutely progressed ones.. This is how a relationship in the real world is built (minus the stupid villains of course!). Of course 😆 But real life has it's share of subtle villains and vamps as well that can ruin or damage a lovely relationship. Trust me!!

As Dadi had mentioned once.. Ishq shaadi se pehle hota hai... par Ishqbaaazi toh shaadi ke baad shuru hoti hai.. a person falls in love before marriage but after marriage he rises.. that is the journey Shivaay and Annika have taken upon.. bang on!!! beautifully remembered what Dadi said.

They were attracted towards each other before marriage but never decided to act upon it.. This is not a marriage between lovers because both of them never believed in the concept of love.. for them love is protecting your loved ones, unconditional loyalty and being together no matter what the circumstances.. they have loved their siblings/family this way which is why their siblings are their strength as well as their weakness.. and now they feel the same towards each other.. this is a story about two people similar in some ways but different in many others (due to their experiences) coming together in an arranged marriage. The circumstances may not be that of an acceptable arranged marriage but it was arranged in a forced way.. They realise that fortunately they have found great partners in each other.. And now they are slowly working towards accepting it and building their relationship.. word!! Nothing to add to this beautiful piece.

Shivaay has made a huge progress and I love the growth in his character.. He has accepted Annika as his wife and will now protect her from everything that comes their way.. When it comes to physical intimacy, their relationship has gone through so much that all the issues need to be resolved and they need to be comfortable with each other to take the next step.. He has reached where he wants to be. There is nothing left to resolve where he is concerned. She is his wife and that's that!!

and I agree.. in this case Annika is more of a concern than Shivaay.. I think for him the NKK issue is just about him having all information no matter where it leads to.. it doesn't have anything to do with his decision to have kids or have a future with his wife.. From what I see in his character's progression, he has realised the flaws in his prejudices as Annika defies his beliefs and now he needs information only so as to protect his future with her.. Exactly!!! I am glad you see it that way as well. I remember making a post supporting his decision for wanting the information about her background so that he would be prepared for any unforeseen unpleasant situations arising. If he had not dug into it he would never have caught NT and her lies. He would have had to believe what she said was true.

When Pinky raised the issue about Shivaay Singh Oberoi not knowing about the blood that flows through his children's veins.. he dint flinch but he wanted the information so that nobody could ever point a finger at his wife like his mother has been trying to.. Perfectly said. I too said the very same.

whereas in Annika's case, she has faced so much in her life that she is still a closed book (taking tinnier baby steps towards opening up).. she has never had the luxury of having a permanent relationship in her life barring Sahil (and even for his custody she had to fight so much).. so you can see how difficult it is for her to accept that this is a permanent relationship and her family forever.. As she said she is not used to someone looking after her, fighting her battles and putting her first in their list of priorities. All her wishes she stated to Malika are coming true ❤️

And this is why Shivaay has to take it very slow.. slowly he keeps assuring her to have faith in their relationship and their future together.. plus even when she realised she loves Shivaay her concern was that now he will become her weakness.. she never imagined having a good loving life partner who would love her for who she is..! For her to let go off her inhibitions, realise that this marriage is more than trust, loyalty and friendship.. and take the next step in their relationship.. she still needs to accept from her heart and mind that he is her husband for life and they will stay together always.. if you remember at the end of the jungle track Shivaay says that this is a life long journey and it will take time.. I think it was also for the audience to understand that it is a journey, it will be beautiful but will take its own pace..! Beautifully said 😊

Thank you for this post! Loved reading it and all the responses as well! 😊 Thank you for your reply - one less chameli ..lol 😉

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Beautiful post Asya. ..👏
And the discussion has been great. I know ... I am enjoying all the responses as well. I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels this way.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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U have explained everything so beautifully. 👏
Even I feel that SHiVika's current pace is perfect ... thank you

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