ShivIka's Slow Progress and my take on it - Page 2

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Interesting post!

It reminded me a comment on Instagram that said it's either emotional stagnation due to the lack parental warmth as a child so she wants a family to belong to not a marriage. That she clings to the concept of family even though she hasn't fully accepted them either. If he was really family to her then he would already know about her childhood, her adoptive parents, Sahil's Bua, her friends or simple facts about her. She keeps everything about herself safely guarded so he needs to go to Sahil. She barely bats an eye at Pinky's constant shaming because that's something she recognizes and is used to it. It's kindness and affection that unnerves and makes her retreat inwardly apart from her interactions with Daadi, but even with her she shares to a limit. Or the writers don't know what to do with her character so they are stalling 😆

I'm with you I like the pace that writers are going with. I prefer the writers build their story on sincere feelings and equality. From the start, he was never shown treating Tia or Mallika disrespectfully outright, but he was dismissive. With Tia, her existence in his life didn't matter because he just needed the perfect trophy wife. As for, Mallika he didn't value or give her the affection and love she deserved. She was just another candidate for the "wife" position except she was competent and didn't need a deal to come along with her like Tia be considered a choice. Everyone needs support and affection, but mutual respect and equality are just as important. While he's working on it he isn't there yet. I know it's a serial and I shouldn't expect much, but there are many issues that need to be addressed first.You can't jump to romance with all their issues still pending. Progress is better with a foundation.

I completely agree with you I love the progress in his character, but I wish her character gets the same attention in the future. After catching up with all the episodes this week its obvious that Pinky will be the catalyst in their relationship. She might open up or close up even more. Either way, I'm excited to see what happens next.

Edited by yellomellow - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#12


Thank you ... 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Tbh, imo out of all of gul's couples so far, shivaay and anika are probably the ones who are gonna have the healthiest marriage because there's no rush about things and both of them understand that it's a lifelong process. And that they both need to mold themselves according to each other and there's gonna be a lot of compromise in this journey. The fact that they realize that makes this a healthy relationship.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am in love with your post and completely agree with it. I think this is the first show I have watched with sucha steady and slow progress between the male and female lead. And i think credit goes to the makers of these characters and the actors who so beautifully portray the scenes, but more so to the makers for creating thhose scenes, writing those dialouges. It shows how much thought goes into portraying Shivikas relationship. They dont rush and say okay guys, fans want romance, give them it, fans want more passion and progress, give them it. They progress they way they want to, and hats off to Nakuul and surbhi for portraying these scenes, that very scene where he pulls her into his arms, their expressions were so on point and it all the more highlights Shivikas current equation where he has become devoted to her, and him being SSO that the kinds of things this man does, he woul take someones life for her, hed wipe her tears, lift her forcefully and bring her home bcause she is his wife, they fight but she is now his wife whom he is fully committed to so come home with me and lets fight.

She has love for him stored in the most innocent and selfless zones of her soul. This Woman has seen a lot in life and its no wonder that now that she has fallen, she sees him as this treasure, to admire, to love, to tease, to try all sorts of things to get her way. Her inner child and innocence comes out when she is with him, and as a child she didnt have a chance to be naive and simple, she was always a warrior. So now shes taking a little extra time to fully become that wife in that aspect but her heart and soul already is his. I think this is so beautiful because it shows how much there is a stark differnce between Them and it doesnt try to merge the two characters now that sparks are flying.

Also, He is older first of all, he was always more exposed, he has been in two relationships before, obviously he is gonna be a lot more comfortable with certain things, he has wtudied in London, he has seen a lot of this world. He is a logical, practical man.

He is her first love, she has seen this world in a totally differnt way, love and relationships have never made its way to her except for Sahil. She is modern yes, but he has more exposure. And she is younger than him. Its cute to see the way he brings out naive innocent Annika behind all that tadi. Its not just Anni who brings out A shivaay version 2.

I think its amazing because she teaches him while she learns a lot from him too. They compliment each of ther and bring out qualities in each other that have not been fully explored by them individually. They encourage each other to become their true self, to be comfortable in their own skin around each other.
Remember when he asked if she was embarassed? That was the epitome of adoration. That was him saying, I am your husband, do not feel ashamed with me, I want to see the best,the worst, the good the bad, the times when youre happy and the times when youre a mess. Show it to me, let me bring you back to yourself, but dont hide. We are here to help eqch other, to see the ugly parts of each other, to see whats broken, and to not be ashamed, but to console and care for each other, because we are together and in this for life. So cry, bawl and cry loudly in my arms if you have to, sprawl all over my lap and let your tears fall, let your nose run damnit it really doesn't make a difference, theres no shame, no scorn no embarrassment. Just us together. Do not hide from me

They both screw up, they both think differently, and I love the way they havent made them fall in love and be cliche and mushy as in other serials. They stay true to their form. And in their relationship they are equals.
I have dragged on a lot but such an excellent post about my favourite couple of all times had me riled up.

Thanks for a beautiful read and such positivity. I for one have no complains about their development. I think its spectacular and so beautifully captured.
Anyways, is enough rambling. Nice post big hug to you🤗
Edited by vaishnavi31 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Beautifully explained but my problem is it has taken 220+ episodes for shivay (them) to reach where they are today will it take other 200+ episodes to progress??? I would not mind the slow pace if there was something meaningful going on in at least 1-2 episodes each week but since last1and 1/2 weeks it's utter nonsense( my take) that they are showing ..last week does not even qualify for filler episodes . Do not know what the CV's are after but I for once did not get or understand what last week was meant to achieve . Like with Tia's episodes had they shown some movement along with these atrocious Pinky and NT episodes it would have made some sense .
I really do not like how they start off with new set of troubles n conspiracies with out proper conclusion to the previous ones, no connecting dots at all .
So guys my take is all together revenge, vengeance,plotting,fighting back along with Shivika makes it a whole package for me .
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you thank you thank you for this post ... lol you r welcome. One more less chameli then I suppose 😉

I am so done with people saying they are slow,boring yaad yada yada not in love , are in this caz of a majboori they haven't accepted and the list goes on and that romance chahiye yeh chahiye woh chahiye. To me too they are just perfect the growth of their relationship has been great and I love that I love that they are taking their sweet time and getting to know each other and are getting stronger and stronger with each day passing
I fully agree with you. There is so much to learn and understand about each other right now that going to second base will seem hurried.
They should be shown courting, flirting and just getting physically comfortable with holding and hugging each other without the awkwardness. It is only when they are past that can they move ahead to second base!!
Yahan toh he flirts and she starts getting awkward and if she makes a move toh he becomes the stuttering Billu... 😆 Aage ka action kaise hoga iss situation mein 😲

As for the acceptance, there is no majboori anymore. Both are mature and sensible people who are very aware of what they want in life and from life.
Shivvay accepted Annika as his wife - not in majboori but because he wanted to .
Annika did walk out when he spoke about wanting to know Annika's NKK in a conversation with OmRu in the kitchen. He dragged her back, true, but she opted to stay when he said he needs time to work through the NKK and that means she is fine with giving him time to work throught it.
She, for her part, honestly told him that she would always remain 'Just Annika' no matter how long he knew her or what he unearthed about her in the future- that would never change. He for his part accepted that.
They are honest about what they feel, expect, want and are able to give this relationship. That is more than most marriages start out with, I can assure you.
Where do people see the majboori and bending?? I see acceptance and understanding.
Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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So well written and I totally agree with you...!! 👍🏼👏

Actually I am pretty happy with this progress and I feel that it's NOT a baby step and rather quite a steady progress from Shivaay's side..!! The man is in charge and making every first move..!! 😳

He is pretty-much obsessed with his wife and wants to see her every time he opens his eyes.. He wants her in his bed, he wants to be aware of her every move during the day and even willing to share his own daily routine with her... He shares his problems/plans with her effortlessly (which he never does with his brothers) and work in unison with ASSO..
He truly depends on her, mentally..!! During the kidnap trap, he cried with her name.. as he thought she is his savior..!! Yes, SSO is a human being with flesh and blood when he is with his Annika..!!😳😳

In contrast, he was never ever close to Tia and his body languages said it all, every time..!! Whereas, with Annika he is a different version, SSO2 from the beginning..!! 😃

I hope soon he gets the last inhibition nailed from his side and once that happens I think he'll try to go to the next step...!!😳 And we'll see a 'bhook-track'...😉 I was quite surprised to see that he was so comfortable with Annika that even telling her about his bachelor-days when he used to watch such movies...😆😆 And Annika is totally opposite to this, as she mentioned Soumya that she can't watch those stuffs..😉😉😉 .. I'm pretty sure there will be many more late-night shows coming in Shivika's life, from 'pyaar ka bukhar' to 'Jism ki bhookh'...😆😆

And I am eager to see Annika's inhibition at this point and a frustrated SSO 😆😆😆.
You have written quite beautifully that Annika may love him, but she has her physical inhibition FULL ON.. she was horribly uncomfortable with SSO's dirty talks... 😆😆 And somewhere I feel that Annika is still unsure of the future of their relationship..!! But I know that my dream to see a separation track (even for a week) and a working Annika will remain a dream only..!! 😆 Because SSO2 will hunt her down and make sure that she remains glued with HIM only..!! 😆
Edited by hi50 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: NYCForever


pearl - u are love just like your posts!
Ty Ruzz ... I feel the love 😉

i think to each his own and we should respect people's opinion, hence, the existence of this forum 😆 but i for one genuinely think the progress has been great! i am someone who prefers to watch emotional progress more than the outwardly physical one so am liking the pace! i think they have come a long way- people just need to go back to the wedding day and compare it to the present day - the graph of progression is lineally positive 😆
How very true. He has come such a long way from that day to this day.
On the wedding day he married her by force but had absolutely no intention of publically accepting her as his wife.
Now here is is - not only accepting her but even willing to accept someone like NT as his MIL only because she is first on his list of priorities now.


i do agree with you that anika is taking longer but her insecurities are more deep rooted than shivaay's naam khoon khaandan obsession as i am discovering now -
Yes they are.
Shivvay's NKK is a belief system. Kinda like a caste system where he grew up with prejudices that he has to overcome. Not to say he does not have issues of his own with his childhood or lack of it from what I understand. But that has no bearing whatsoever on his NKK.

Annika truly is a basket case with all the stuff that she tends to keep bottled up - unable to share and off load.

She puts on a brave front because that is her 'force field' she wears against all that can hurt her. Her antics, her laughter, her craziness and her nonsense is to hide the true sadness she feels at being all alone in this big huge world.

And that is why when people were upset for her not being the 'Dabang' Annika with Shivvay, after her forced marriage, I was actually upset for the insensitivity towards an orphan who probably has traumas of exactly the same thing she suffered at the orphanage. She wakes up in cold sweat asking someone not to hit or abuse her on almost a daily basis, prior to her marriage with Shivvay, and has an 8 year old comforting her, this same Dabang Annika, because of her nightmares.
Now we are expecting that this same girl should be ok after she has suffered physical brute force and mental humiliation at the hands of the very man she grew to respect and trust. She needs to just brush off her wedding skirt, straighten her messed up hair and carry on the way she would have without feeling the after effects of this shock. I remember likening her response or lack of it to one of a victim who has suffered a 'bomb attack'. She had periods she would resurface and fight back and then she had periods she would sink into depression. To top it all she did not have a soul that she could talk to or confide in who would guide, comfort or stand up for her. It was why she followed all Dadi told her to like a lamb because only she sympathized with her situation and did not judge her.
That is the Annika that Shivvay sees now even when her guard is up because he truly and honestly is looking past all his prior prejudices about her, like Om did.
Even though Rudy loves Annika and adores her it is Om who knows and knew the 'Real' Annika under all the masks of happiness that she put on. That is the Annika that Shivvay is discovering.

It is why he always encourages her and prep talks her to boost her morale, "Tum Meri Annika Ho.. dabaang Annika!! Meri Annika kissi Daksh -Vaksh sey nahi darti hai".

after all he did have a more comfortable upbringing compared to her.
If you are talking about physical luxuries - then yes but that does not mean he does not have 'demons' of his own to battle and wage war with. Just as she had little Sahil, he only had little OmRu as he was growing up. The only perk was that he had the guidance of Dadi.

i dont think writers will every explore that though as such bonding scenes and reflection scenes about her insecurity discussion with shivaay wont give them the trps but for that i have ayesha's ff and urs as well to satisfy my cravings for that kind of mature conversation 😉 so chalega
ha! ha! .. ayesha is way better yaar!! .. I cannot reach her level yet ... she is an awesome writer


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Posted: 8 years ago
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One less chameli... Lolz... Shivika Have made great emotional level progress and that's very imp... Physical intimacy will come when both are comfortable... Annika's fear of abandonment has to go completely whole Shivaay's NKK in terms of mother of my child needs to go for physical intimacy to go to next level and the current track is working towards that... Im loving it but only worried that despite ipl when numbers r low for most shows, IB has slipped in ranks and that's kind of worrying...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Interesting post!

It reminded me a comment on Instagram that said it's either emotional stagnation due to the lack parental warmth as a child so she wants a family to belong to not a marriage. That she clings to the concept of family even though she hasn't fully accepted them either. If he was really family to her then he would already know about her childhood, her adoptive parents, Sahil's Bua, her friends or simple facts about her. She keeps everything about herself safely guarded so he needs to go to Sahil. She barely bats an eye at Pinky's constant shaming because that's something she recognizes and is used to it. It's kindness and affection that unnerves and makes her retreat inwardly apart from her interactions with Daadi, but even with her she shares to a limit.

It is true. She is a very complex character as we see the layers peeling and falling off. I always knew that they would take their time with Annika only because they have kept her past such a closely guarded secret. This whole thing is because it is going to connect with the Oberoi past in some way or the other. So the more they reveal the trails of her childhood the greater Shivvay is going to loathe his Naam, Khoon and Khandaan once it is out in the open.

Or the writers don't know what to do with her character so they are stalling 😆

I'm with you I like the pace that writers are going with. I prefer the writers build their story on sincere feelings and equality. From the start, he was never shown treating Tia or Mallika disrespectfully outright, but he was dismissive. With Tia, her existence in his life didn't matter because he just needed the perfect trophy wife. As for, Mallika he didn't value or give her the affection and love she deserved. She was just another candidate for the "wife" position except she was competent and didn't need a deal to come along with her like Tia be considered a choice. Everyone needs support and affection, but mutual respect and equality are just as important. While he's working on it he isn't there yet. I know it's a serial and I shouldn't expect much, but there are many issues that need to be addressed first.You can't jump to romance with all their issues still pending. Progress is better with a foundation.

Being the character Shivvay is getting to that point of equality is going to be a slow walk but I can see him getting there. It is his journey, as Gul said, so we can expect that to be a long arduous one for him and us ..lol

As long as they make it meaningful and sensible I am fine with that.

I completely agree with you I love the progress in his character, but I wish her character gets the same attention in the future. After catching up with all the episodes this week its obvious that Pinky will be the catalyst in their relationship. She might open up or close up even more. Either way, I'm excited to see what happens next.

I think Pinky is going to bring about a major chance in both Shivvay and Annika. Shivvay's change more towards his mother I feel and Annika's towards accepting Shivvay for his word - that he has accepted her no matter what her NKK

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