ShivIka's Slow Progress and my take on it

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A lot of us think that ShivIka is making a slow progress but I think it is at a pace at where it needs to be, and yes I may be wrong and in a minority, but every relationship needs time to take root and bloom.

The journey to a new land, with a complete stranger, always begins slow because it is an unknown path being taken with an equally unknown partner. So we proceed with due caution and diligence so as not to make mistakes in our haste and hurry to reach the destination. There are stages that we must finish before we reach the next stage and ShivIka is on the romance, dating and courtship phase as far as I can see.

These two are honestly making an effort to get to know about each other, only now, after the marriage was publicly accepted. They have only now committed that they will spend their entire lives together whereas earlier they were unsure about how this was going to play out. Don't get me wrong, they would have stayed married but it would have been out of a sense of responsibility and a duty towards each other not because they saw a future with each other. I hope that I make sense.

If I may explain it, it is like this...
When ShivIka got married it was more like an arranged marriage between strangers than between a couple. They had so much bad blood and hate between them that it was more like two enemy countries in a relationship... 😆

Then it took a few weeks to settle the MU and post MU Annika needed time to adjust to why Shivvay treated her the way he did. Shivvay needed time to recover from Daksh's lies and adjust to what crime he had committed in his anger and while all this was happening Tia announced she was pregnant.

That started the other drama where we saw, for the first time, ShivIka as a team working on the same side. Shivvay started building his faith and trust in her as a well wisher, which must have been pretty hard for this man who never relies on anyone but himself.
There was character growth for Shivvay there and those were very beautiful episodes.

During Tia pregnancy and post pregnancy, we saw the attraction between the two. This was acknowledged by Shivvay that it was on both sides and not just one sided. We also saw Annika realize her love for him and her fear of abandonment was brought to the fore.

Again, so much growth even with all that was going on around them. It was as if the problems drove them to seek each other, rather than apart. They reached a point where one would take a leap of faith, literally, from the top floor for the other while the other would take a bullet for the first, without a thought for his own life.
Massive ... massive growth. Partners for life through thick and thin. Each absolutely sure and certain that the other has his/her back. "Do you trust me?? - Khud sey bhi ziyada!!"

The crucial phase after that was when he announced that she was his wife. That was the only thing that truly launched Shivika into the space where they were now taking this marriage seriously and both completely committed to it.

Till then they were best friends, buddies, partners or whatever else you may call it and kept their distance as such. There was no life long commitment mentioned or accepted. So to be more than that would have been awkward and wrong for both.

Remember Shivvay has always been a man given to 'Propriety' if nothing else. If he had not committed to his marriage he would have stayed the old Shivvay with just the 'blush' games which his wife was comfortable with. He would not have started the 'dard' and 'FPH' ones. He had to be sure that he was not forcing his decision and attentions on Annika and that she felt the same for him as he did about physical intimacy.

Time and again he had the proof and that built his confidence to move forward.

He may have manhandled and physically hurt Annika on the wedding day but he never crossed the line of decency by taking advantage of her even if he may have been tempted to do so.

It is only after that acceptance of their marriage we see Shivvay physically and verbally comfortable with his wife. He is truly a very unique man and I have seen only a handful of people, quite like him. In the sense that he takes every relationship he makes and commits to very seriously once he has committed to it. You might say that he kind of guy who just flips a switch and turns it on or off!!!

When he married Annika (no matter it was by force or temporary even in his head) he started distancing himself unknowingly from Tia, kind of like reducing the flow in a current, till that relationship was resolved (ie. Divorce) and then, when he found out about Tia lying about her pregnancy he seemed to just flip a switch to turn that whole relationship off!!

I have seen very few people so organized and disciplined in their relationships.

It was the same with Annika. When he doubted Tia's pregnancy he increased the flow towards Annika while he reduced the one towards Tia. He did not need to increase that flow towards Annika unless he was already having thoughts about his marriage having some meaning in his life. That means he had been contemplating this marriage and its merits since that time. He does think everything through before he decides ...lol But even with that increased flow he never crossed a line - he did not flip that switch.

That switch was flipped only the day he accepted her publicly and it was the day he truly became and committed to being her husband. The next day he even teased Annika about not being able to say the word 'Patni' while it just flowed from his tongue like it was the most natural thing to do. It was because all this while when Annika said 'Mein Unki Patni Hun' she never meant it, it was more to keep Tia away. But now that that word had meaning she was finding it difficult to say because, she is well aware, that it had a completely new meaning now with a completely new role. There is more that is going to be asked of her as 'His Patni' but she is not ready for that yet.

She has not progressed - only he has.

As a husband we saw a change in him almost overnight!!! He flipped the switch from 'Bestie' to 'Hubby' because he had prepared for it all this while, but unfortunately, did not give Annika forewarning when he did that. She, the poor girl, is still stuck at the 'Bestie' level waiting for her buddy and friend, who she used to hang out with and chill with, to turn up again. She knows in her heart that he is never going to return to play because he has grown up now but she obstinately keeps calling for him to show up.

She wants to play house again - the 'Gudda-Guddi' shaadi, the childish games and the no strings attached with no pressure kind of relationship. But to her bad luck she wished for a Pati and here he is now!!! Flesh and Blood with real needs and Bhook 🤣 🤣

The Jism Ki Bhook scene where she says, "Aap key muah sey aise baatey sunkar muje mich-miche hoti hai Shivvay", proves it... lol She wants the Pati but who is a Dost. The one she plans wars with, the one she plans the Memory Loss with, the one who she is just a 'Jassos' with ... the one she basically can play with 😃

Bhai Annika! Pati aur kaisey batey kartey hai??? Who kya recipes share kartey hai apney Patni sey??!!

Little does she know that he has moved on to the next level and is now taunting her to catch up with him or else he is going to have to force her up there, to join him. If she keeps dragging her heels I am certain he is going to get desperate enough to just come out and say or do it...lol 😳

She has still not adjusted to this NEW Shivvay because of how he changed from one role to the next like quicksilver. He now hugs freely and even asks for hugs back without any reservations or embarrassment, kisses her forehead more passionately like a husband than affectionately like a friend, he pulls her onto his lap and wraps her in his arms while he kisses her pain and tears away as she sits awkward on his lap wondering how to get out of this situation.

He picks her up in public and bodily drags her back home with him while she is indignant that he can do that to her (as a friend) - the look that Shivvay gave to the question 'Pati hai yeh Tera?' was hilarious. He was like, 'Emm.. Hmm??!! What do you have to say to that now Pannika??'

He flirts with her and takes liberties to talk dirty even when he knows that she is not ready for that level of intimacy yet because he is trying to get her to come out of her comfort zone of being just a Bestie.

ShivIka can be likened to be at the dating and flirting stage right now not only because they are working through the NKK on Shivvay's side but also because they are working through the Best Friend' and Doost' part from Annika's side. She has not caught up to her role and commitment to the marriage as yet and that is why to a certain extent still does not feel like the Bahu in that house even with Shivvay accepting her.

Shivvay has shown considerable growth and needs to only overcome the last road block (mother of my children) now but Annika is still where she was after the MU was cleared. She has to grow and understand that this IS her husband now even if he is her Bestie'.

It is the day he will not need to say, "Tum meri Patni ho. Mujhe hug kar sakti ho. Mujhe lagta hai tumhe hug karna chahiye. Come on Annika??!!"

Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you.. frankly i was a little worried that I would get chameli's for writing this ...lol😃
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you covered all the points asya...actually shivaay is making her comfortable...for Annika she wants words from shivaay for anything...now Annika thinks shivaay and her is friends and husband-wife by only name
both have their own inhibitions...shivaay already accepted annika as his wife but his subconscious mind is still not fully ready for it...but after this Nkk track gets over shivaay will be into a husband in all forms and he will make her come out of the guddi guddi shaadi into the real relationship...one good thing about sso is if he decided something then no looking back
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You explained it all so beautifully, Pearl👏 Agree with everything you said. I know we all feel a bit impatient to see Shivika romance and more so since last week we've hardly had any good scenes (we all are very bhookha for Shivika scenes right now😆) but as far as their growth is concerned, the writers have maintained a fairly steady pace so far and I too think that they're still not at that place where they can comfortably romance with each other - especially for Annika, I feel that she's just not there yet. As you said, she's still stuck at the post MU phase, and she needs to grow a bit and come to accept Shivaay's change before they can move on to next base. Every hurdle that they pass acts as a catalyst, as was beautifully explained by you with respect to hate marriage, Daksh MU and Tia pregnancy track - everytime they face trouble, it forces them to grow as a couple and so far though the growth has been more from Shivaay's side, I feel that Annika's turn will come soon too. We just gotta have some patience till then😊
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Asya, I too agree with you, even if that makes us in the minority. I was actually thinking about their progression the other day when I was re-watching the memory loss track.

When you watch the track originally we were unsure if Shivaay was part of the plan or not, so the viewers acknowledged his efforts to help Annika regain her memories as sweet and loving. We considered the angst in the farak padta games as his frustration, she not being able to remember their relationship, that ESHAAS! But when you go back and re-watch it, now knowing that Shivaay was part of the plan what I see is progression. He remembered every detail of their meetings, he was trying to make her understand what their relationship means to them, even if he couldn't admit that she is his biwi or that he loved her. He wanted her to come up to the same level as him, he wanted to know if these "feelings" he was feeling- if she felt it too.

To me over time, they may be progressing with baby steps but the baby steps they are taking are so intricate and beautiful. We can't forget that the road block that we call NKK is not the only thing lingering over their relationship, the other most important factor is Shivaays redemption. I think he, himself, has a hard time dealing with what he has done to her in the past and we see his redemption step by step in these tracks and I honestly love it.

I feel if they progress to quickly we will loose the beauty... it's a journey and yes, journeys are long and they have a long way to go TOGETHER!!
Shivaay has progressed within the relationship, it's true what you say Annika has not. I feel once this NKK roadblock is out of the way, we will begin seeing her progress and I think she will begin to trust herself and their relationship. She has her own fears which are the main cause for all her hesitancy.

Slowly but steadily I think in time we will begin to see these two merge with each other's colours. Annika calls Shivaay sau raangi, but she doesn't realize that already, a lot of his raang's have blended into her.

I hope the CVs handle the future tracks well, I want to see progression but not at the speed of light, slow and steady wins the race!!!
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you covered all the points asya Thank You 😊

...actually shivaay is making her comfortable...for Annika she wants words from shivaay for anything... Yep! you are right, that is exactly what he is doing. Making her comfortable.

He is a man of the world but he knows she is not. She is the innocent and naive child-bride he has married.
So through these small physically intimate moves he is trying to ease her into the new level of relationship that she is going to share with him. He is sort of coaxing her out of her shell and comfort level of being just a friend and partner in crime. I must say I admire him because he is doing such a fine job of it.
He mixes the right blend of mischief, intimacy and playfulness while he smoothly moves from one to the other making her muddled and breathless with the pace he moves at ..lol
He rarely gives her a chance to recover and find her bearings but instead makes her rely on her natural response. He also knows where to put on the breaks ... 🤣 🤣
Malika aur Tia key alawa kitney aur GF's they isskey ??!!😉 Kafi experienced Billu hai yeh 😆

She for her part has never seen Shivvay this way with anyone!! Not Tia - Not Malika.
So for her it does come as a shock that he has this 'Chichora' side to him. I can completely understand what she feels ...lol 😆
She wants to hold on to the Shivvay she is comfortable with and does not want to even acknowledge that there is another one. The old Shivvay was so much easier - he was reserved, distant, formal and more like your friends handsome and attractive, but scary, older brother you might say
(which ironically he is) who you made fun of behind his back.

He was the one you would stick you tongue out at, when he was not looking of course, after he had lectured you. The one who would look at his watch and darkness falling and tell you it was time to go home. The one who would reprimand you for using language and talking with your mouth full while he straightened the dinner setting at the table.

The one we all know we have at one time or the other made fun of and imitated while he was away from the house. 🤣🤣
Aab aisa bandha aap ka pati ban jaye aur 'chichorapan' karey toh shock toh hoga !! 😲


now Annika thinks shivaay and her is friends and husband-wife by only name
both have their own inhibitions...shivaay already accepted annika as his wife but his subconscious mind is still not fully ready for it...but after this Nkk track gets over shivaay will be into a husband in all forms and he will make her come out of the guddi guddi shaadi into the real relationship...one good thing about sso is if he decided something then no looking back
All I can say is Annika may be able to run but she cannot hide 🤣 We all know Shivvay gets what he wants and he can be a very patient man when he wants something real bad😆😳
As she said, ' aap ki baath manwa ne ke liye aap kuch bhi kar saktey hai ~~ kisi bhi had tak ja saktey hai' .
Truer words were not spoken dear Annika. I hope you actually realized how true that will prove to be the day he 'REALLY" wants to do something😉

Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago
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You explained it all so beautifully, Pearl👏 Agree with everything you said.
Thank you. One less chameli ...lol

I know we all feel a bit impatient to see Shivika romance and more so since last week we've hardly had any good scenes (we all are very bhookha for Shivika scenes right now😆) Me too. But then I think realistically would someone have romanced with all this happening around them and console myself that it is just not the right time.


but as far as their growth is concerned, the writers have maintained a fairly steady pace so far and I too think that they're still not at that place where they can comfortably romance with each other - especially for Annika, I feel that she's just not there yet. As you said, she's still stuck at the post MU phase, and she needs to grow a bit and come to accept Shivaay's change before they can move on to next base. See that is exactly what it is. Everyone keeps talking about Shivvay stuck at NKK but that has not held Shivvay back from romancing, getting physical and talking dirty with his wife?? To him she is his wife - period. He has said it, accepted it, fought for it, acknowledged it and now is even molding his NKK for it (the acceptance of NT). He is very sure about what she means to him and how much she means to him.
NKK is just an issue that he has to resolve within himself not where Annika is concerned and he has already acknowledged that to Annika.

Whereas Annika is still at the 'Doost' stage because it is convenient for her to be there. She has not changed her image of who she knew Shivvay to be - The NKK touting proud, stubborn and unbending man. She needs to let go of that image and embrace the new evolved one with all her heart and soul. She says she trusts him but I doubt she means it most times - especially when it comes to matters of her heart and love.

Every hurdle that they pass acts as a catalyst, as was beautifully explained by you with respect to hate marriage, Daksh MU and Tia pregnancy track - everytime they face trouble, it forces them to grow as a couple and so far though the growth has been more from Shivaay's side, I feel that Annika's turn will come soon too. We just gotta have some patience till then😊 Yes we do have to be patient with Annika just as Shivvay is being. He knows her fears and her hesitation and that is why he keeps restating his vows to her. He has grown more than we expected he would but it feels stagnant because Annika now needs to catch up with him.
It will be a beautiful journey to watch while she does that.

Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago
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Thank you thank you thank you for this post I am so done with people saying they are slow,boring yaad yada yada not in love , are in this caz of a majboori they haven't accepted and the list goes on and that romance chahiye yeh chahiye woh chahiye. To me too they are just perfect the growth of their relationship has been great and I love that I love that they are taking their sweet time and getting to know each other and are getting stronger and stronger with each day passing
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pearl - u are love just like your posts!
i think to each his own and we should respect people's opinion, hence, the existence of this forum 😆 but i for one genuinely think the progress has been great! i am someone who prefers to watch emotional progress more than the outwardly physical one so am liking the pace! i think they have come a long way- people just need to go back to the wedding day and compare it to the present day - the graph of progression is lineally positive 😆

i do agree with you that anika is taking longer but her insecurities are more deep rooted than shivaay's naam khoon khaandan obsession as i am discovering now - after all he did have a more comfortable upbringing compared to her. i dont think writers will every explore that though as such bonding scenes and reflection scenes about her insecurity discussion with shivaay wont give them the trps but for that i have ayesha's ff and urs as well to satisfy my cravings for that kind of mature conversation 😉 so chalega
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Asya, I too agree with you, even if that makes us in the minority. I was actually thinking about their progression the other day when I was re-watching the memory loss track.
My dear cestlavie ... we agree on so many points 😊

When you watch the track originally we were unsure if Shivaay was part of the plan or not, so the viewers acknowledged his efforts to help Annika regain her memories as sweet and loving.
Exactly. And I had done the same when the truth came out. I went back and watched all the tracks again.
It then dawned on me, that he was just not in on the plan but that the whole plan was orchestrated by him. We all gave credit to Annika for that but it was NOT HER PLAN they executed but HIS. I have never bothered to mention this before though. How every one berated him for being the 'Dumb Singh Oberoi', me included, but no one credited him with this master plan that brought Mrs. K's plan to a grinding halt.

If you realize he 'Thanked Kalavati Thakur' for supporting him, not for making the plan. Even when she was left to roam the streets, after he was shot, people wanted to know what made her return - it was this very same thing. The I need you was exactly that. She has always been his strength and his most trustworthy partner. He knew he could not pull it off without her.

We considered the angst in the farak padta games as his frustration, she not being able to remember their relationship, that ESHAAS! But when you go back and re-watch it, now knowing that Shivaay was part of the plan what I see is progression.
Yup!! That is where you see the frustration of her not feeling what he is feeling starting and setting in. He gets to a point where he is almost obsessing about the whole thing now because time is of the essence. He knows Tia is going to be out of their lives soon and he is standing at the cross roads right now. Divorcing Annika is out of the question at this stage because he cannot even imagine his life without her. But he has to decide how he moves forward from here on.
He either keeps the relationship platonic for the rest of their lives and they live as friends and partners OR he starts accepting her as his wife in all respects. But for that he needs to know that Annika wants that as well.
He wants to move forward , of course, but as a gentleman how do you do that when the Lady in question says she feels absolutely nothing for you!!
He cannot force this on her considering he forced the marriage on her already. So any and every opportunity is taken, for him to scout out and screen her feelings and attraction for him. "You like it" was one of them ..lol 😉

He remembered every detail of their meetings, he was trying to make her understand what their relationship means to them, even if he couldn't admit that she is his biwi or that he loved her. He wanted her to come up to the same level as him, he wanted to know if these "feelings" he was feeling- if she felt it too.
Shivvay is the kind of man a woman normally wants. The man who shows more by action and less vocal about his feelings. But to his bad luck Annika needs both because of her past and her childhood. So he is learning that he not only has to show but has to say those things as well. That is one man putting an immense amount of effort into his relationship - hats off to him👏


To me over time, they may be progressing with baby steps but the baby steps they are taking are so intricate and beautiful. We can't forget that the road block that we call NKK is not the only thing lingering over their relationship, the other most important factor is Shivaays redemption. I think he, himself, has a hard time dealing with what he has done to her in the past and we see his redemption step by step in these tracks and I honestly love it.
Yes. Not only Annika but Shivvay needs to put that behind him as well. You cannot have that as shackles around your feet as you are trying to move forward. So the progress seems slow but there is reasons behind it. This is not the usual on-screen couple you normally get.

I feel if they progress to quickly we will loose the beauty... it's a journey and yes, journeys are long and they have a long way to go TOGETHER!!
Shivaay has progressed within the relationship, it's true what you say Annika has not. I feel once this NKK roadblock is out of the way, we will begin seeing her progress and I think she will begin to trust herself and their relationship. She has her own fears which are the main cause for all her hesitancy.
His NKK is not what is holding HER back. Her insecurities (childhood and abandonment) and her lack of comfort in the new level of relationship with him is holding her back.

As I mentioned in response to the other post she has to open her eyes and see the Shivvay she is married to - not the Shivvay she would fight with and stand up to when she was Pinky's friend.
That Shivvay would not have contemplated on being a 'chichora' with her in his dreams but this now is her lawful husband and he has all the freedom to be as big a 'Cheapde' as he wants to be with her.
He is no longer Prinku's arrogant, snooty, cool and distant older scary brother - he is 'Mere Shivvay' now 😆

Slowly but steadily I think in time we will begin to see these two merge with each other's colours. Annika calls Shivaay sau raangi, but she doesn't realize that already, a lot of his raang's have blended into her.
Yes. I too expected that there would come a time when his sophistication and his whole attitude would start rubbing off on her. She is going to be the butt of his jokes very soon for being snobbish and haughty ...lol

I hope the CVs handle the future tracks well, I want to see progression but not at the speed of light, slow and steady wins the race!!!
I love this speed for now. I want to enjoy every transformation and every metamorphosis. I want IB to last 1000 + episodes and see little Shivika's
Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago

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