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Navin love,
You're one of the only people I know that can make analysis posts sound so beautiful. As usual, you've left me completely floored with your brilliance ❤️AWWW! have some Chocolate fudge cake! 😆 JOKE. I LOVED Cake.Ever since we found out that Annika may be potentially faking her memory loss, from the very first OLV with Annika, Rudra and the fake blood, it's been eating away at me. For someone who, for all rights and purposes, is portrayed as innocent, and for lack of a better word, pure, it sure didn't add up. That was probably one of the first triggers that put me off this whole track.I think I understand why they couldn't have allowed Shivaay out of the plan. NOW. Why they had to make him the mastermind, and not Ani-Rudra. And it has to do with exactly this. Now that you've said it, it resonates. All this while I was thinking logically, but not emotionally.
I told Neha (CrazyForMayur) that Shivaay could not logically know about the ML and still act the way he acted, with that level of panic. It was just too raw. To solve that, they introduced the double dialogue, I think, t give his grief context and to serve a larger plot. But you are right--if Anika was the one doing this to him, emotionally it would make NO sense. Without him being a part of it, her innocence, her refusal to see him hurting would simply never again ring true. Because he looked absolutely crazed, and if she triggered that without his consent, it would be a huge betrayal of them.And then the wedding OLVs came out, and I honestly didn't know what to think. The whole wham-bam-haha-we-got-you thing just didn't work for me. It's too contrived, and it really put a damper on all the ShivIka angst that we, as fans, were feeding off. Put me off even more.
The angst even after knowing that they are in this together has to have another source than "you've forgotten me in youe heart but damned if you'll be allowed to forget me in your heartbeat. We should have thought this earlier Innika-- It had to have another source even if Shivaay DID'NT know back then, honestly--too naked.So honestly, the only thing that I really need to say here is thank you. If there is even the smallest possibility that what this post outlines is true, then the CVs will have a loyal viewer forever.I gave up reading into IB a long time ago, especially because the show and its writers are always so flighty; chopping and changing. I always say this though, each character they have written here is beautiful in its own way, as are some of the subplots, but unfortunately, the writers don't always follow through. So I'm hoping and praying now that they have half as much insight into this current track as this post does.Thank you, but you know, at a certain point you and I as writers, need to switch off from the screen. The reason IPNNKD is unique in the annals of fanfiction, for the sheer volume and frankly, excellence that show triggered in writers (and I'm not calling them fan fiction writers--there are actually published novels out there right now) is because we stopped watching Arshi.As in, we obviously didn't stop watching the show until Barun broke a million hearts. But we stopped depending on the daily drivel onscreen, and used the characters and the basic profiles to launch our very UNBASIC work.
And that pull back was almost instinctive, to end up in wildly creative alternate universes. And it created writers out of completely unknowing folk. Created volume after volume of exceptional narratives. I have read characters CALLED Arnav and Khushi, in lush stories set in pre-partition Pakistan, walked with them as urbanites in New York City, seen them as kings and queens of the British Raj not to mention the assorted doctors lawyers, military and mercenaries they have been in people's minds.
The stories have been practically canon, or barely tied to the main themes. But they have owed their creative and artistic licence, not to mention their very existence, to what we need to do with Ishqbaaz now, as writers. We have to DISENGAGE from the screen when it comes to writing about this world. Stop allowing random dialogue and a completely mute FL and an incomprehensible plot/ML to dry up our work.I completely agree with every single thing you've written. There needs to be some sort of internal battle here. Maybe one that the family still won't be privy to, until Annika actually leaves him. This whole drama, the MFNP arguments, the fake wedding, this can't lead to nothing. At this point, Tia's exposure just falls flat, if there isn't anything else to prop it up. I'm honestly surprised that they managed to drag Tia and her evil storyline on for 9 months, because the way she was acting throughout, makes me think that even a five year old would have been able to catch her in the act.Tia not being caught UNTIL her ARM is in a video is honestly, the worst of it for me. Seriously? 9 MONTHS yaar. Shivaay is not going to get the "Best Plotter Of The Year" award this time at Zee Rishtay that Nakuul might be hopefully eyeing right now.Anyhow, I'm glad that this NB track is over, and now I hope that we actually get down to some more family drama. There are so many open possibilities here; Pinky and Annika, Tej and Jhanvi, Svetlana and Omkara, Shivaay and Tej, and obviously, Shivaay and Annika. They can do so much with what they have right now, so I'm hoping that another random external vamp doesn't come in to screw things up again.At least, we need some insight on what is happening with Shivaay and Annika. They can't go back to awkwardly living in the same bedroom, with cutesy fights, and the occasional blush sequence. It just won't make sense right now. Things have changed, drastically, now that Tia is leaving. There is no imminent wedding hanging over their heads, no divorce proceedings that they can really fall back on, now that he's practically going to announce that he's still married to her. If this is how it keeps going, there is never going to be an end here. Something needs to happen. He needs to confess, or she needs to leave, or he needs to do something shitty, or she needs to find her self-respect again. As long as something changes for them, because it can't go back to normal anymore. There have been way to many insinuations, too much pain, too much lashing out for either one of them to keep going on like they are right now.SIGH. I don't disagree. How can I? Its so painful.. I just wish...sigh.I'm sorry, but I still maintain that that DBO conversation is something, it means something. For god's sake, if they wanted a ShivKara conversation, they could've bloody talked about Svetlana, or their supposed plan, the freaking weather even. There was no need to take the conversation to Annika's NKK, and their future children. Harneet Singh is one intelligent woman, so I assume that she didn't just throw in that dialogue there for the heck of it.
ABSOLUTELY. Harneet is the writer in chief of BOTH shows, she isn't tossing in a line that makes no sense when she is basically doing a Maha Episode every night with DBO and IB. I will be told its not to be counted. There are a lot of exceptionally smart women and amazing creative minds on this very thread who discount the DBO comment as NON canon. They don't think it works in the IB world, given his private actions with Anika. But those are private actions, outpourings of an emotion he wont speak of. In his sane, cold, rational mind he will not even give a name to those feelings. I maintain--the characters are both the same people, yeah? its not like DBO has a different ShivKara. So for me there is no way to separate them out based on the clothing. Just remember that Shivani sucks at her job (NEWSFLASH!) and cannot maintain continuity at wardrobe, by, I don't know, reading the two scripts, once in a while.I think that his beliefs will hold him back. And even if Annika relents, from whatever deal that they've played between each other, she will want answers. Answers that he won't give her, that he's not ready to give her. This is why the DBO conversation is so symbolic; because he's not ready to give her the one thing she really wants. There's going to be some sort of separation; whether its physical, or her cutting him out of her life. There needs to be one, or the current track won't make sense.Shivkara are on their way home, to IB, talking about a woman waiting for them both back there---Anika. The timeline is the same as per the CVs, barring weird off-matched to IB outfits, which isn't the way to establish timelines anyways. And its SHIVAAY speaking, not SSO --and Shivaay never EVER lies to Om. Om is his other half, his conscience keeper, and sounding board. I would have felt better somehow if he denied feeling anything at all towards her to Om. But he doesn't. He points out each thing he can name. Worry, concern, friendship, liking, trust. But NOT a future. Not the mother of his children. He's not saying it to hurt her, or to convince himself. If he says it, in a moment of brotherly contemplation to OM, sitting and ruminating together, he means it. It counts. And it scares the hell out of me. What does she stay back for, now?On the contrary, something else could happen and it absolutely terrifies me. The only way that Shivaay can get her to stay for good is if he tells her that he loves her - which she has assumed is impossible right now. So if there is more development on the romantic angle, and he eventually realises that he loves her, he may tell her to get her to stay. And then, when NKK comes back to bite them, that's when the real angst will start.I don't think he will give this benaam rishta a name. Love would be the ultimate concession here, and Shivaay Singh Oberoi never loses. He will not say it, Innika. He does not feel it, really. Love does not allow room in your heart for such social, worldly, calculating thoughts as NKK. It expands and takes you over, and you are reborn into a person who is exalted beyond wondering who your lover's parents are. all that matters is not you but who you love, and their happiness. That is Anika right now, giving up her very soul so he can be happy, and have the ones who matter to him much more than she does be if not happy, than at least safe. Kurbani saccha pyaar hai.Between the two, I would easily prefer the former. Anything actually, as long as something big comes out of this long-winded, and otherwise pointless track.With love,Innikaxox
Originally posted by: napstermonster
<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Okay. So this is my first post on the main forum in literally
months that is not a story. And I'm going to start off with a demand. I am
going to ask that we all stop assuming CVs hate characters they've spent
2.5 years creating. I'm going to ask that we assume Gul knows that they have
three audiences. One is the TRP ladies, counting how many tolas of
gold Pinky wearsas she gives Anika hell. But there are</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"> </font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">two secondary audiences. Us, the rabid fans,
sure. But please don't forget-- there isan international audience, LATER.</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">
</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">
IPKKND, Geet, Ek Hazar and Rangrasiya are top shows
thathavefound huge overseas audiences. Dubbed inlocal languages, after their full run in India. Good
plot/writingis there,so these aretelecast in countries as far flung as Poland and
Palestine. In Arabic, Afrikaan, Dutch, you name it. This secondary market for Gul's shows
is ten times more profitable than SP. The catch is, thefull story of the serial is known to
these new audiences, before they are telecast. A story that is
rubbish would not get leased. And Gul ..she is one of the first
Indian serial makers to lease out her stories in dubbed forms. Giving Ishqbaaza</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"> disjointed storyline
that's laughable will affect sales.</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"></font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">An example--- Humsafars does
not have an international market at all, and Qubool Hai runs just its
first 3 seasons overseas (before theidiotic witch/vampire crap.) </font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"></font>
<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">
What I'm taking like, 200 words to say is-- the ML and the Farak theme is not lazy writing. Not
yet. It cannot be Shivikaare giving these intense, angtsty performances
because the NafratBaazes MIGHT be watching like bats hangingon a tree. That
would makeour ML/FL nuts. Literally. Needs treatment, over-hysterical
sufferers of some disorder. Crazies who say/do intense stuff to each other for
no reason level nuts. </font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">No, right?
But then why this level of pain, of loss? For weeks, wehaveworried about these two.With bothknowing the memory loss is a lie, Tia is being played, the farakdialogue, their longing, the
intensity of their pain don't make sense. They are not yanking our chain here for TRP bait. SHIVAAY
is worried about these two. Every action speaks to his fear-- his desperate
holding of her, his tears, his rage, his rejection of her thanks. He tried toleave with her at one point, giving heramnesia as an excuse to just walk away from it all.The only way that makes sense is if he was afraid of losing her, if they stayed. Literally. And, in a weak moment, hedecided.. hell with it... and tried to RUN. And don't forget. A woman who has never betrayed her man-- she betrayed him on this. Brought him back to their main plan, accelerated it, with the wedding. And his escape was lost. The Tia wedding was never his plan, it washers.
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Anika right now has a frozen face in every
intimate scene. Stoic acceptance of pain, of Pinky's insults, of Shivaay being
lost, already. Her stiff, almost robotic shutting down, her words to Dadi,
to him--all say she's ALREADY lost him.That sheis barely holding on, until she can run..alone.
And this is our SSO-- a man who is losing it. Who's frenzied
need to make her react to him, to cry, to scream ..anything... </font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"></font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">is as obvious as his pain, his desperation. Those actions
MEAN something more than TRP bait. And ladies-- it means they are communicating
in code. She is telling him, she is still leaving, no matter what,once
theplan is done. And he is losing his mind, unable to stop
it. </font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"></font>
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What is going on here, is a play within a play. Someone on the CV list has
studied Shakespeare, because this is "Doubling."A writing technique that
the Bard perfected in like, 1603, when he used this in Hamlet. The idea is-- the principal
players of the play (the leads) are actually acting twice--once for you, the audience. And again, for themselves. There is "a play within a play." Where the performers
are doing one thing on the surface,but their dialogues / actions are actually for both the play, and for each
other.
Code.
That secret level stuff makes sense only after the climax scene, where these hidden
motives, hidden meanings of the main actors emerge. And there is a SECONDARY reveal. The
first layer of action/dialogue of the main play is enough for the TRP audience,
who get their answers </font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"></font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">(TIA BAD! SHIVAAY
GENIUS! BABY GOT CORRECT WALA DADDY!) and change the channel. And the real audience
(US) go AHHH!!!!! and re-watch obsessively, to see the clues we missed. And there are clues, by God.
Here is</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"></font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">my proof. Go back to any
Shivika scene since the ShiTia Wedding portion.Feb 14</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">th </font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">onwards. </font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">See JUST the Shivika scenes. Load em up, and
watch, one after the other. And hear what they are saying to
each other. In every scene, public or private. There is double meaning in every
line. A meaning that only makes sense if she is offering goodbyes, and he is rejecting it. She wants to leave on
good terms. He wants her to HURT. To break, like he's breaking. See the scenes for yourself, because, not ONCE did I
find anything to contradict my theory.
</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">I would say, this happened a while ago--</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"> </font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">when he went to find her with Rudra, after
the Hospital scene. She refused to come back due to Pinky, and next scene---she's
home. What we didn't see (but should) is-- she has come back, to do the ML, spy
on Tia, all of it. On one condition. She will help him, this
final time, and leave. And this time, he won't stop her, he will let her walk away.
And he? This is why Shivaay is breaking apart, trying so desperately to force
her now. Because heknows, he's letthe unthinkable happen. He'salready said... Okay. </font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"></font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"></font><font face="Calibri" size="3"></font>