WHY You Don't Want the Tia Reveal--Because Of What Comes Next..

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Okay. So this is my first post on the main forum in literally months that is not a story. And I'm going to start off with a demand. I am going to ask that we all stop assuming CVs hate characters they've spent 2.5 years creating. I'm going to ask that we assume Gul knows that they have three audiences. One is the TRP ladies, counting how many tolas of gold Pinky wears as she gives Anika hell. But there are two secondary audiences. Us, the rabid fans, sure. But please don't forget-- there is an international audience, LATER.

IPKKND, Geet, Ek Hazar and Rangrasiya are top shows that have found huge overseas audiences. Dubbed in local languages, after their full run in India. Good plot/writing is there, so these are telecast in countries as far flung as Poland and Palestine. In Arabic, Afrikaan, Dutch, you name it. This secondary market for Gul's shows is ten times more profitable than SP. The catch is, the full story of the serial is known to these new audiences, before they are telecast. A story that is rubbish would not get leased. And Gul ..she is one of the first Indian serial makers to lease out her stories in dubbed forms. Giving Ishqbaaz a
disjointed storyline that's laughable will affect sales. An example--- Humsafars does not have an international market at all, and Qubool Hai runs just its first 3 seasons overseas (before the idiotic witch/vampire crap.)


What I'm taking like, 200 words to say is-- the ML and the Farak theme is not lazy writing. Not yet. It cannot be Shivika are giving these intense, angtsty performances because the NafratBaazes MIGHT be watching like bats hanging on a tree. That would make our ML/FL nuts. Literally. Needs treatment, over-hysterical sufferers of some disorder. Crazies who say/do intense stuff to each other for no reason level nuts.
No, right?


But then why this level of pain, of loss? For weeks, we have worried about these two. With both knowing the memory loss is a lie, Tia is being played, the farak dialogue, their longing, the intensity of their pain don't make sense. They are not yanking our chain here for TRP bait. SHIVAAY is worried about these two. Every action speaks to his fear-- his desperate holding of her, his tears, his rage, his rejection of her thanks. He tried to leave with her at one point, giving her amnesia as an excuse to just walk away from it all. The only way that makes sense is if he was afraid of losing her, if they stayed. Literally. And, in a weak moment, he decided.. hell with it... and tried to RUN. And don't forget. A woman who has never betrayed her man-- she betrayed him on this. Brought him back to their main plan, accelerated it, with the wedding. And his escape was lost. The Tia wedding was never his plan, it was hers.


Anika right now has a frozen face in every intimate scene. Stoic acceptance of pain, of Pinky's insults, of Shivaay being lost, already. Her stiff, almost robotic shutting down, her words to Dadi, to him--all say she's ALREADY lost him. That she is barely holding on, until she can run..alone.


And this is our SSO-- a man who is losing it. Who's frenzied need to make her react to him, to cry, to scream ..anything...
is as obvious as his pain, his desperation. Those actions MEAN something more than TRP bait. And ladies-- it means they are communicating in code. She is telling him, she is still leaving, no matter what, once the plan is done. And he is losing his mind, unable to stop it.


What is going on here, is a play within a play. Someone on the CV list has studied Shakespeare, because this is "Doubling." A writing technique that the Bard perfected in like, 1603, when he used this in Hamlet. The idea is-- the principal players of the play (the leads) are actually acting twice--once for you, the audience. And again, for themselves. There is "a play within a play." Where the performers are doing one thing on the surface, but their dialogues / actions are actually for both the play, and for each other.

Code.

That secret level stuff makes sense only after the climax scene, where these hidden motives, hidden meanings of the main actors emerge. And there is a SECONDARY reveal. The first layer of action/dialogue of the main play is enough for the TRP audience, who get their answers
(TIA BAD! SHIVAAY GENIUS! BABY GOT CORRECT WALA DADDY!) and change the channel. And the real audience (US) go AHHH!!!!! and re-watch obsessively, to see the clues we missed. And there are clues, by God.


Here is
my proof. Go back to any Shivika scene since the ShiTia Wedding portion. Feb 14th onwards. See JUST the Shivika scenes. Load em up, and watch, one after the other. And hear what they are saying to each other. In every scene, public or private. There is double meaning in every line. A meaning that only makes sense if she is offering goodbyes, and he is rejecting it. She wants to leave on good terms. He wants her to HURT. To break, like he's breaking. See the scenes for yourself, because, not ONCE did I find anything to contradict my theory.

I would say, this happened a while ago-- when he went to find her with Rudra, after the Hospital scene. She refused to come back due to Pinky, and next scene---she's home. What we didn't see (but should) is-- she has come back, to do the ML, spy on Tia, all of it. On one condition. She will help him, this final time, and leave. And this time, he won't stop her, he will let her walk away. And he? This is why Shivaay is breaking apart, trying so desperately to force her now. Because he knows, he's let the unthinkable happen. He's already said... Okay.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I agree.
I too said she would be the one to want to leave/ walk out this time. He will not throw her out.
She may not leave in the end but she does have so many unresolved issues with him.
I cannot, truly, see Shivvay letting her walk out at this point. We know the man never plays fair and that is how it might be again the second time as well.
I see his desperation as well and it is stemming from the fact that she is refusing to change her mind. I do hope he gives her what she needs to help the healing.
I hope the CV's give us something good after ShiTia
Edited by asya34 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Great Points about ML track not being lazy writing and agree about the assumptions of NBz constantly spying on them...double meaning agreed...Shivika angst, intense scenes, pain, hurt, emotions all being real...yes...have felt the same!

Play within a play, I felt too...like their own feelings coming to fore and egos clashing, both are egoistic for me, not just Shivay!

-They did progress a bit in their relation, from my pov...Shivay realized and he actually said so many things that otherwise he would not have:

-Gobar Scene he said...Ye hamara rishta hai...isse hamari yaadein judi hain----His desperation showed...for me that scene was just not fun, loads of emotions attached!

-Baanjh scene - He said...I don't care if u can't gimme kids, all that matters is u...(in an indirect manner) by forehead kissing her<3

-Sleepwalking...His fear of losing her, she would have fallen, he saved her in the nick of time!

-He made her wear MS and Sindoor willfully twice, in the whole ML track!

-The scene he unbuttoned his shirt, again, desperation, angst...not just random seduction or stripping please! It was intense...his hurt and his pain wen he banged his hand on the tree after going out coz usse Farq nahi pada...or atleast she pretended to have no Farq...hurt him!

-His silence, 2 days back wen he was changing into Jagraata outfit and refused to talk...made Farq to her...she was affected with his ignorance and silence!

-His getting close to Tia over some head massage or engagement scene or dances in ceremonies...Affected her bigtime...so much that she did a Rohit Drama just to tease him and he was Affected again...coz even in a game or in a joke, he just can't let her be with someone else!


-The scene where he went close and asked, ab feel hua? Feelings overpowered the drama truly!

-The Farq, Ehsaas, Dard talk was all real and deep meaning, very much their own and no drama!

-Today's MS and Sindoor scene was their fear...of losing each other coz of a risky plan...what if the plan failed...she said Shivay...he knew she wanted to stop him and say, lets leave the drama and he said, Its too Late Now (My Interpretaion of that scene😆) coz we have reached the climax, now do or die situation it is!

Sorry I got carried away and each scene in the whole ML track had a meaning for me after a lot of thought, after watching OLVs and I thought why did they do this!


BUT, I really don't think Shivika had any kinda deal...read this thought at 3-4 places and felt like this is the best place to share my views 😆 So from what I feel, I really don't think they would show something like going back till the hospital scene where Shivay said U r my Zaroorat and brought her back with a deal that u can go after My work of exposing Tia is done and that she was bidding goodbyes in all the scene or that Shivay knows she is going to leave post this, Or, Anika has any plans to leave!


I really think, Remarriage is happening for Sure!
Pinky would be totally shaken with the whole lot of lies and the reality slapping her hard in her face and that Tia was carrying someone else's child and passing it on Shivay😆 She would be only left with one option, to apologize to Anika and Anika would forgive her and Pinky would happily get Shivika get remarried!

Anika won't go, neither she has any such plans to leave, is what I feel!
And next they will focus on Shivika changing relationship dynamics, Shivika getting close or atleast trying to mend things and also random family issues that keep going😆
And main track would be Anika's past! :)


And In this track, Shivay called Anika Mrs. Shivay Singh Oberoi and infront of everyone he is gonna say, I am already married to Anika and with Remarriage (coz I feel its happening) Anika would be declared his wife infront of all!

Edited by Crazy4Mayur - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Oh my god, please tell me it's not this deep.

Well, either way, Tia's reveal still isn't bad. As much I love the depth, we need to keep moving forward. Shivika will happen when it does, but they have a journey, and a separation might be part of that journey. Fighting themselves and their beliefs and ideals. That has always been Shivika's journey.
Edited by LordLuminous - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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beautiful and this is how i would like it to play out! she leaves, he follows her and tries hard to live like her wherever she is!
i would like to see some of those scenes instead of just pinky nonsense and dadi's ishqbaaz pravachans 😉

and @asya - she definitely needs to heel and can not do that in the mad house full of selfish people that is what Oberoi mansion is 😆! i really hope he sees her pain and lets her go - like listens to her heart over his for a change 😉
Edited by NYCForever - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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You said it..!! 👏👏👏
I was so disappointed that Shivaay was all along with this plan.. Really!! To me, the Shivika scenes lost their intensities 😡😡😡.. but if you are saying holds true, I'll rejoice..!!😃

I'm so on for a separation in REAL..!!
As I said before Annika has been involved with Oberios a little too much..!! I am not looking forward to see Annika as an adarsh bahu.. SP has other shows to fulfil viewers need..!!
Past Scenarios:
1. Annika loves Shivaay, but she knows very well that he'll never accept her as she has no high standards ..
2. During Rudra's marriage revelation, Shivaay confirmed that this kind of marriage can't be taken seriously... and Annika's belief was confirmed..
3. During ML track, Annika-dadi conversation, that her leaving Shivaay will be beneficial for everyone.. I felt that scene is REAL..
4. Finally, Pinky..! I lost my respect for this character.. So selfish she is..! In past, she had kissed Annika, apologized to heras well, but superficially, all for her own selfish reason.. And comeon.. telling her 'manhoos' at every instance?? It's so painful to see.. One can say that she'll apologize now for her stupidity..
but I really want Annika to stay away from that toxic environment.. at least for some time..!!

Annika needs to regain her strength, she needs to find herself..!! She needs to jot down her priorities in life..
I want to see her as an independent, working woman.. I hope the makers now apply SP's nayi soch .. Can they?For a change??
And Shivaay needs his own time.. he needs to assess the situation.. Annika's importance in his life.. it doesn't make sense to cage her at OM for his personal satisfaction..!! Annika is not a thing..!!

At last, as much as I can wish, but my fear is that we'll be disappointed hightime.. and Annika will continue to live at OM..!!😭😭😭
Edited by hi50 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi Navin

Just gonna copy-paste my comment from another post. Hope you don't mind:
Despite the fact that this was all a game, I think somewhere along the way, the line between pretence and genuine feelings became muddled for both of them. That's why Shivaay did so much chance pe dance. Otherwise, the NBs knew ShivIka weren't getting along, there was no reason to force her to sleep on his bed or for Anika to make him jealous.

One user pointed out that CVs want us to to look at this situation in a Big Brother like way. Since ShivIka were being watched 24/7, they can't always be pretending. Aslee personality bahir a hee jaatee hai 😆. I think I'll embrace that explanation.

So I believe that under the guise of the ML, Shivaay and Anika did express their real feelings and because they were protected by this bahana of the fake ML, they were even freerer because neither one could question the other, afterwards. They would just chalk it down to the plan. "Main toh sirf Tia ka such samney laaney ke liye ker raha tha/rahee thee"

However despite all this, I'd still like to say I don't 100% agree with you on the writing front. There have been instances of sloppy character executions in this track. Let alone the fact that from the beginning of the show till now, the writing standards have come down. See how Anika's character has changed.

Still, I agree with you to a large extent. This is a really smart post 😊
Edited by --Risha-- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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This is sooo deeep navin😲
I never imagined that the Cv's would give such a deep thought to this track at all...😳
And yes i really hope that Shivaay finding Anika scene has played out like how u said and that she leaves as soon as Tia is exposed😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I don't think they were faking those angtsty and intense scenes I think Anika might have asked Shivaay to go ahead with the marriage which he didn't want and hence the whole "Fark" game
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: NYCForever

beautiful and this is how i would like it to play out! she leaves, he follows her and tries hard to live like her wherever she is!

i would like to see some of those scenes instead of just pinky nonsense and dadi's ishqbaaz pravachans 😉


I'd be happiest if this happens. Anika going back to work and trying to forge an identity - of her own - and not of an Oberoi, is the best way they can take this track forward. It'll give us the redemption we want and leave ample space for a development between ShivIka's relationship. It'll be the best "middle track", that'll keep both TRP and online audiences happy.


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