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Posted: 9 years ago
#61
I am quite sure that I would be called a feminazi after typing this but I feel there is no need of physical intimidation when Om played a well thought brain game with Svetlana. He did something the self proclaimed 'I choose brain over heart every single time' Shivaay Singh Oberoi who wouldn't have thought himself. He background checked his ex girlfriend/ future wife now not even after he doubted the baby she is calling his is not his.
Your point is valid, if Svetlana was a guy, he getting beaten up by Om would not have been called being a MCP. I totally agree to it that she is not the best of the human beings & she deserves a far worse treatment then she is getting.
You are absolutely right that this whole situation was a huge blow to Om & anybody would snap under such pressure.
But the hand twisting could have been Omitted. One big difference between Om & Shivaay I felt till now was Om valued women. He cared to treat them nicely no matter what. He did treat Svetlana nicely before. And I did not have any problem with him asking her price bcoz she was willing to sell herself. I am just saying that the invasion of physical space could have been kept aside.
Now whether to call him a Male Chavunistic pig or not. Well I would say no. He is not a MCP. Bcoz he didn't think of her as inferior or nullify her to a thing. She did that to herself. But needless to say the arm twisting was unacceptable.
Coming to Shivaay. He is a MCP. He is a classist & a sexist both( gonna get a lot of hate for this too) & he himself have proved it many times. I am a ShivIka Shipper but I don't feel any shame in saying this that Anika stood strong against him & she has fallen weak but both the times he had been wrong to manhandle her. And the fact that she suffers more is bcoz she has seized to fight.
And please I would like to request this that bcoz of the pseudofeminsts you see around yourself, don't disgust the word feminist. It supports a far bigger cause than any one of us.
Lastly like I said in the other post too No woman deserves to be manhandle, good or bad, priestess or prostitute.
Lastly Karma is a bitch, everyone says that & that's why we have to let karma do the punishing.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#62
@poemssyndrome, I don't think we will ever see each other's point of views on "manhandling a woman". Lol Because I despise the very concept that it is "manhandling a woman" and not "manhandling a human being" . I am just saying that I feel what Om did ti Swetlana was fitting as it was fitting how Shivaay was slapped by Anika. No one complained then because Shivaay was completely wrong then, I just believe that there isn't even a question of complaining when Swetlana is wrong. It's as simple as that for me.
But at least younsee that manhandling Swetlana doesn't make Omkara an MCP, simply because he isn't a person who would use his sex to dominate someone
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Posted: 9 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: victorias

what is the meaning of feminazi? .i never heard that word.could some one tell the meaning?


It's radical feminism, feeling that women deserves better and a concept bordering on the belief that women should be superior.

Feminism stands for gender equality!
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Posted: 9 years ago
#64
I don't know what's been said else where but the definition of manhandling in terms of Indian soaps is not quite like it is suppose to be. To make it easier to understand here is a nonsense logic

Manhandling in ShivIka's case:
Shivaay twists her, Corners her or whatever
Anika 's reaction however is mostly the same "Meine kya kiya hai aap mujhe bataein gay. Meri galati kya hai?"

Did Svetlana say anything in defence or protested? No, because she got to know that she was wrong.

I am not liking it at all since 2-3 days that people have started calling Om a second Shivaay. Just by twisting a 'twisted woman' doesn't make him Shivaay. Shivaay has an aggressive personality since the beginning as he said "Mein aesa he tha, hoon aur rahunga". On the other hand the 'negative' change in Om is because of a very big reason. He was never like this and I believe he will never be like this again.

Comparing Anika with Svetlana is again a silly thing. Anika never did wrong but has been a victim of Shivaay's aggressiveness. On the other hand that 'woman' Svetlana has caused a massive destruction to Om's family. She played with Jhanvi's emotions, toyed a married man and broke a family apart. Did Anika ever do anything close to this?

Om never even touched Svetlana before even when she accused him with a really disgusting thing but today she was teasing him with his mother's 'half dead' condition of which he considers himself responsible. She did it for her own satisfaction and her satisfaction is "money" as the sisters are after Oberoi Empire. Did Anika ever do a thing for money? Ofcourse it was unacceptable when Shivaay named her 'Bikau Maal'.

Svetlana provoked him and he lost control over his emotions and if someone provokes him he has a temper. He clearly said "Don't you dare". Svetlana was clearly scared of Om's never seen before avatar. She will think before hurting him now.He didn't owe her his due and rightful respect because Svetlana doesn't deserve respect even if she is a woman. Did she respect for Jhanvi's rights who is also a woman?

I don't know if I made any sense here. One more thing a few days back my brother twisted my arm real bad when I was teasing him. Was it also manhandling?? He did because I was asking for it. 🤣
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Posted: 9 years ago
#65
for me the question is why can't om be his own person?why become like SSO and all the other manhandling heroes?...gul has disappointed me in a way,somewhere I always disagreed with her critics when they said "she can only handle one type of lovestory"...I used to think that no,if need arises she can do good with other kind of love stories and characters too...but the fact that she did this to om when he is about to become a main lead in a show of his proves her critics and their opinion of her ability to handle only one kind of love story right.
I really wonder about these makers' fascination with rough handling,I am beyond finding this offensive or sexist or whatever...now I only wonder about this.Do they find it hard to depict their main lead's anger or grey shades in his character without resorting to manhandling?
Gul did something new with sanam aahil of QH in my opinion...thus I was impressed and that led to me disagreeing with her critics...but this really kind of is a disappointment.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Ila-

@poemssyndrome, I don't think we will ever see each other's point of views on "manhandling a woman". Lol Because I despise the very concept that it is "manhandling a woman" and not "manhandling a human being" . I am just saying that I feel what Om did ti Swetlana was fitting as it was fitting how Shivaay was slapped by Anika. No one complained then because Shivaay was completely wrong then, I just believe that there isn't even a question of complaining when Swetlana is wrong. It's as simple as that for me.

But at least younsee that manhandling Swetlana doesn't make Omkara an MCP, simply because he isn't a person who would use his sex to dominate someone


I get your point. What you mean to say is ' if it is okay for a woman to slap a man just bcoz she thinks what he said or did was wrong then why is it not okay for a man to slap a woman when he thinks what she said or did is wrong'. What you are putting forward here is equality in treatment & I would like to make it clear that is exactly what I want to put forward. With a additional point that why is slapping needed in the first place?
We can't punish someone just bcoz they did us wrong. We can definitely bring them to punishment. I said it too that Anika should fight. She can prove her marriage to be void. She can file a case against Shivaay for mental & physical torture & she can definitely sue him for attacking on her character. Similarly Om can right now sue his father & Svetlana for Adultry for which his father would be punished (here our law favours women). Similarly he can sue Svetlana for mentally torturing him & his entire family & for ruining his sister's image. And he being an Oberoi will definitely get justice. But the thing is he is similar to Anika, he chooses not to. They have different reasons to do that. Where Anika completely seizes to fight.He took things into his hands. Fine he doesn't have proof. He can lead Svetlana to commit a crime &get her punished for that or just find proof.
But any kind of physical abuse against anyone is not right. That is what I wanna say.
People should not take law in their hands.
Lastly we live in a world were the scale is a little heavier towards the male sex. And that is why may be the word feminist got coined(even though it means equality as u pointed out). And that's why I say 'manhandling a woman is wrong' bcoz most of the time women are the ones who are abused. Doesn't mean I support abuse against men. Wrong is wrong. No matter what.
Edited by poemssyndrome - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#67
I don't agree that Om behaved as a MCP, he had responded in a similar way to ACP too when he was harassing Prinku, his anger was completely justified as he was with a girl who had charged him for r**e
But not being a MCP doesn't justify being a manhandler, Om actually manhandled Swetlana, physically hurting her which is an unpardonable offense, no person has the right to physically assault others excluding for self defense,

I agree Swetlana n Kapsis have done many wrongs to their family n Swetlana especially was a direct vamp inOm's life, but they played their games through mind and did not hurt anyone physically (at least not till now directly) so Om had to trap her through his mind and get back at her n not by manhandling
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Posted: 9 years ago
#68
I respectfully disagree, I feel Om is the kind of person who is not thinking but simply acting out of all the repressed emotions he has had for the woman who has destroyed his life and he is kinda wrong in expressing it in this manner that is unlike him no matter how much he claims he has changed but I love the analysis 👏👏👏
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ohoo I m so late for discussion. Well all I going to say my own perspective.
Saint om is dead. The man who hurt himself rather than hurting other is dead.
This is omkara singh Oberoi. And he is dangerous for his enemies.
For others om manhandled female Svetlana.
But when I watch episode it seems omkara Singh Oberoi threatened person Svetlana. He was not looking at her gender. He was reacting on her vicious words. The words about his mother. He was not scaring a lady thinking her week and helpless but he was threatening an enemy that dare to mess with my family, I will show what I am capable of . the anger, the hurt and suppressed emotion all come out.
His reaction was perceived as wrong because this was never expected from old omkara. Old omkara would have tolerated all this and cried at corner or tried to escape his Pain. But this new omkara is someone who would like to make his enemy shiver, tremble and feel pain. He will not cry but will make those cry who dare to mess with his love one.
First OSO targeted his father and then next Svetlana.
This is my opinion. People are very sensitive to this man woman physical fight.
For them they should watch dangal🤣
IF women think themselves so sensitive then they should never go to army, and other fields where they have to deal with men physically. I am just tired of flag marching morcha everywhere who don't look at reason and cause but termed every man of this planet as some kind of dangerous creature. Woman has right to lost temper, get physical with man, show him attitude. But if a man who react same way then this gender card come in light.
I am not defending those violent jerk who think they have right to look down on woman and abuse them.
But declaring any man jerk ignoring reason, cause, an circumstances behind particular action is really not done.
For example human rights activists say killing is crime.
But if police and army follow human right advice then this society will go in drain.
So this feminist universal ideology that any man who get rough with woman is certified MCP should be checked carefully. Because writing theory is very simple but practical it's ridiculous because life is not a theory.
And I am not saying all this for this show only. From long time I have seen this gender card play. If one side of our society is filled with mcps. Then other side is filled with extremist feminists who think themselves special class and want to get away with anything. Should I say feminazi.
And this mcp and feminazi , both are two sides of sane coin.
There is one thing called intention. What is the intention behind fight. If a man look down a woman and want to coerce her in his wishes and agreement then that man is MCP.

Here om was not intended to hurt Svetlana. But the words made him act in anger and that time he threatened her to shut up. He was not thinking her as woman but enemy. And then he said you will get 100 crores. So he was agree with her wishes.

Ok my rant over.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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He was abusive and it was wrong, but I hate Svetlana so I will admit I enjoyed someone finally took that stupid smirk off her face 😆 Jokes aside, being good or bad woman doesn't really change the fact it's still wrong. Resorting to violence is never okay no matter the reason.

Personally, I don't take IB or any other serial that seriously. I find it both sad and amusing that this is the only kind of ML the writers know how to write. I don't know why they think being disillusioned, jaded, and angry equals douchey behavior towards women whether they be good or bad. Low expectations is the best option for these writers 😆 Hopefully we'll get some cute and fun scenes in middle of the usual TRP crapfest.
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