19.6.16- Some thoughts about the episode& precap - Page 2

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Posted: 9 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: YeHoKyaRahaHai



Yes...hypocrisy is the word. Which of us isn't a hypocrite😳And i do think that women's equality is a topic about which a lot of people say things that they don't practice in real life...lol

I do agree with you about what you said about women wanting men who are established...but in this day and age men too want working women to supplement the family income I guess.

At the end of the day it all boils down to one thing. The short but powerful dialogue of Prinku...that it should be a choice and not a matter of compulsion.

Lovely comment...thanks for the response😊


So true.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: ...Tanu...

Nice post. I agree with whatever you said. Shivaay is a hypocrite. 😆
He needs some dhulai from Annika. 😆


Thanks 😳

Dhulai with gobar 😆
Edited by YeHoKyaRahaHai - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: poemssyndrome


So true.
Welcome & thank u to u too!


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Posted: 9 years ago
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amriii you beauty! took my thoughts and worded them so stunningly!
detailed reply follows :P
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: YeHoKyaRahaHai

So the Malika track finally comes to an end.


I am glad to see that for once they portrayed an ex as a genial, affectionate person who will be a lovely memory always- otherwise, in Indian Television, an ex-girlfriend is synonymous with a vamp.

And Malika seems to be the only one who can be this frank with Shivaay and call him out on his shit- If this doesn't justify the cameo, I don't see what does.


As an outsider who was just exposed to the ShivIka dynamic, she could see what only OmRu could...that there is something undefined and beautiful that is sprouting between Shivaay and Anika. Her letter to Anika which encouraged her to hope for love was just beautiful, and so was her advice to Shivaay to find someone who would make him happy...rather than looking at external trappings of wealth and power.


In any case, I do think the cameo was stretched and the plot revolving around Malika problematic and far from being perfect, but Gul did make some meaningful points about female empowerment in the interim, and also made Malika a device to make Shivaay introspect about his attitude towards Anika. If anything I applaud Gul for daring to show these things in a largely regressive TV space. Good job, Gul!


Coming to the precap...I also anticipated why Shivaay should want a housewife as his life partner- because if you look closely at the Oberoi family, all the women are cast into traditional roles; even Prinku does not get the privileges that her brothers get. It has always been implied that the Oberois are traditionalists.


And the very fact that Shivaay let go of someone like Malika and chose a flowerpot like Tia shows you that what kind of a partner he wants- someone who can be a social equal accompanying him to gatherings and bearing his children and furthering his bloodline- as sad as it sounds. As he says, all relationships, including marriage, is a deal for him🥱


If you are wondering about why Shivaay despite being a Cambridge-return should have an attitude like this- well, education does not automatically equate to enlightenment, does it? I guess he supports women empowerment as an abstract idea, but for himself prefers a partner who will merely be a wife and a mother. His takkar ka pyaar Anika will give him an education in this matter that he will never forget:)


Om, on the contrary is a sensitive man who has been privy to the sufferings of his mom. No wonder that he feels deeply about why women should have identities of their own. His mom does not have the freedom to make decisions because she is confined to being an Oberoi bahu...who is stuck in a dysfunctional marriage and has to deal with her husband's adultery.


Essentially what this track did was firmly establish the foreshadowings with respect to the ShivIka ship as well as the ideological differences between the ObBros and their attitude towards women. I am happy that the main plot can now move ahead and we can see what lies in store for our Ishqbaaazes😊



1) YES!! Literally what I tweeted harneet! she replied with a kiss :P


2) Oh My Malika! That bangles and letter bit was so touching!! Anika could not stop smiling! Shivaay was worried as to why she was dazed 😆 I LOVED that they made shivaay read the letter too! HE KNOWS HE KNOWS! Both shivika, do not believe in love (diff reasons) but now, malika has left a good message that will come n haunt them :P Shivaay knows why he is with tia.. perhaps he did love malika or rather was aftraid to fall in love with her so that r/ship did not work.

It is going to be awesome to watch him become an ishqbaaaz but not without some angst ;)

3) YES!! Shivaay is flawed. He aint a MCP but , he does not overly vouch for empowering. He supported malika and her reasoning for loving. HE SAYS women should be given importance but he just doesnt care. He does not want women to be flowerpots as such but he just doesnt care too much about it like OM does.


LOVE! CAN'T WAIT EITHER! xoxoxox




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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: FhatTheWuck.

amriii you beauty! took my thoughts and worded them so stunningly!

detailed reply follows :P


My kindred spirit Ishu 🤗

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: FhatTheWuck.



1) YES!! Literally what I tweeted harneet! she replied with a kiss :P


2) Oh My Malika! That bangles and letter bit was so touching!! Anika could not stop smiling! Shivaay was worried as to why she was dazed 😆 I LOVED that they made shivaay read the letter too! HE KNOWS HE KNOWS! Both shivika, do not believe in love (diff reasons) but now, malika has left a good message that will come n haunt them :P Shivaay knows why he is with tia.. perhaps he did love malika or rather was aftraid to fall in love with her so that r/ship did not work.

It is going to be awesome to watch him become an ishqbaaaz but not without some angst ;)

3) YES!! Shivaay is flawed. He aint a MCP but , he does not overly vouch for empowering. He supported malika and her reasoning for loving. HE SAYS women should be given importance but he just doesnt care. He does not want women to be flowerpots as such but he just doesnt care too much about it like OM does.


LOVE! CAN'T WAIT EITHER! xoxoxox




1. Oh...that's so cute. Lucky you😃

2. This is the beginning of his love journey. Introspection leads to knowledge. And Malika just opened up a Pandora's box for Shivaay that he can't ignore😆 How brooding he looked at the end...he was in a daze and for a second couldn't understand what was happening to him.😳

3. I agree with you on this...Shivaay doesn't think as deeply as Om. He is content with maintaining the status quo and following the rules. Sometimes I wonder whether seeing his family has made him so disenchanted with himself as a person that he closes himself off to any possibility of true love and companionship...But when the dam will burst...what a sight it will be

Love you Ishu😳
Edited by YeHoKyaRahaHai - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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AMRI!!!! POINT NUMBER 3 ^^^^^^
I AM LIKE THAT IN RL SO I AM DAMN SURE SSO IS TOO
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: FhatTheWuck.

AMRI!!!! POINT NUMBER 3 ^^^^^^

I AM LIKE THAT IN RL SO I AM DAMN SURE SSO IS TOO


They're killing me Ish. Can't wait to see what lies in store for them. But Shivaay is already a goner...that's for sure😃
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: poemssyndrome

Absolutely well written.

The problem with Shivaay is that he is just like us. He is a little bit of a hypocrite. He might be supportive of what Mallika said, but when it comes to him, he wants something similar to most men out there.

Yet I do partly agree on what he said to Om. It is a legit point. Many women want a man who has already faced the struggle and is now stable & well built. Very few find the courage to stand with a man during the worst period of his life. Very few want to build a man up.


Although I might be taking his point of view in a hopelessly positive light. Also I am not demeaning any gender. I am a girl, a feminist too. And that's why although I partly agree with Shivaay, I do believe a equal relationship will be where both people are building each other, where no one is sacrificing their dreams for other person.

This is on the basis of what I saw in the precap. I might find Shivaay going all sorts of Bullshit tomorrow.



Absolutely loved what you wrote... Many a times in the hype of Feminism we do forget that a beautiful healthy love is to b there at all phases - growing, struggling & settled..

Many girls and their families want a settled guy with a car and a house and well paid job... this is a bias... so why cant guys ask for a girl who is a housewife ?

Also many women have chosen to b mothers over their careers... its unfair to say that its always due to pressure.. many choose it as a priority.. so generalizing this issue is not fair ... yes but if the wife wants to juggle both the husband shud b there to support against family and against society.. That's wat mallika was fighting for... on a larger scale sid did respect her wrk and her ambition but in the confines of their walls.. wen it came to support her in front of his mom he didn't.. so the track was to highlight the hypocrisy ..

But def loved ur view point

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