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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.


The old patient Kabeer is still there, he just feels he doesnt need that to be with his wife anymore! Horrible it is , but at the same time story of every home as well !! I am sure we will gte him back better than ever! 😳


Wife is his property.see him he's nice to all because
Get doesn't own them per him.he was ok with Zara earlier
As she wasn't his wife.even yesterday he never made her
Sleep on the sofa.he won't do such things but working
Outside is a no
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: athai

Couldn't have said it better myself!...thank you for echoing my thoughts.Hats off to the CVs for daring to show such a real character in Kabeer.The morning after his marriage he had told Imran that men don't change,Zaara will change because women have to change. This shows his thought process and this is what we are seeing in practice now. We are all looking for the respectful,patient Kabeer but let's please remember that Zaara was not his wife back then. What a man is to me need not be what a man is to his wife. Husband-wife relationship is completely different from any other relationship because there is a lot of demand and expectation from both sides...he didn't manhandle her because what she thought didn't affect his life and more importantly, he wouldn't and couldn't be violent with a random woman! Kabeer is a typical man in a typical patriarchal society: he is not a bad man, he is not a rapist and therefore did not throw himself on his wife on the wedding night in the name of a husband's right, he is not an irresponsible man so he could not be normal with his wife going missing or was not okay with someone taking his wife away.

Kabeer is a good son and can be a good husband to many women in our society. But he is not a good husband to Zaara and he does not think Zaara is not a good wife to him. They are just incompatible. The manhandling that we are all so disturbed about is unfortunately not even considered as such by the larger segment of society. Unless there is slapping, beating, hair pulling involved, physical violence in not acknowledged. In ITV pushing pulling women against cars,walls,holding hands tightly has been shown as romantic with thousands of girls going ga ga over it. Had this been shown as a romantic scene, it would have been believed as such. Let's applause the CVs for showing abuse, for showing anger, for showing a couple's fight as it is: scary, heart wrenching, unfair and blood-boiling.

This is exactly the kind of fairy tale the world needs right now, to show that change is possible, to give hope of not giving up or relenting. Zaara is love whereas Kabeer is our fathers, our brothers, our husbands and every other man we meet. They are not villains with horns, they are just as society brought then up to be and through Kabeer this show is striving to show that there is hope. If Kabeer can change, others should too.



Your expression is SO good !! 👏 👏

parts @ bold - couldnt have been summarised better.

The old patient kabeer is for the society, he wont go lectureing anyone on a road but hi standrads are different for his wife, hypocritical yes? Real yes?

How how true is it that kabeer can be a good husband to so many girls out there, he can be a [erfect husband to ruksaar, but he is the complete opposite to Zara, so what happens when you get into a marriage with a complete opposite man .. you walk out ? no .. I am proud to stan ISA to give us a fairytale which can bring a change in the society ..
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: MsChanadlerBong

Amazing post!

This is what I was going to post about today. Thank you for doing it. 👏👏
Agreed with each and every word.
Its not Kabir or his old traditional religious views but every men out there with the same thinking despite the religion, culture, creed or nationality. I just watched yesterday's episode and realised the whole point of Kabir's behaviour or ZaBir 's argument is Zara working out of the home. Kabir still cannot accept the fact that a woman can work out of the house also. And its predictable looking the way he is brought up. CVs are showing a typical male chauvinist and maybe will show how utimately with time he will change however thats a long road and Zara needs to give in a lot of effort.
I loved the dialogue you quoted! Never heard it before but its so true. And its just not with ZaBir but with every other household. The whole mentality of housework should be done only by girls is so wrong. 😡
ISA is trying to make a change. Instead of the typical show with saas bahu fights, unlimited vamps, its showing something realistic minus Ruksar . Proud to be a ISA viewer, thou at times I just want to kill myself. 😆


firstly, why no gif? 😭 ..😆

Yes it comes on tv so it will come with its dose of cringy things and we will want to kill ourselves multiple times 😆 .. but if i have to choose between watching a man who is abusive to a random girl because XYSHD in his life left him, and ISA where a realistic male lead is shown and his anger is shown as anger and not a viel of his love then i will go for ISA.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sonatia

Awesome post👏
Agree with this post word by word !
Very well said.😊


thank uu 😳
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Posted: 7 years ago
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FANTASTIC POST!!!
I keep trying to remind myself that its good that they are showing this cus it's educating the rest of us. Cvs are trying to leave the impression that this is wrong, and no doubt it is. It's to awake us as a society. (I'm good at explaining what I mean urrghhh 😡, God this is like my English essays again!😆)

I'm so glad the cvs aren't justifying his behaviour with some dark secret like he's been tortured in the past. They are trying to get this reaction so no one sympathizes with kabeer or dares to think this is right. NOPE IT REALLY ISN'T!

So THANKYOU for this!

P.s I've seen your username with the hashtag ishq subhan Allah on Twitter. Is that you? If so your really good at putting thoughts down into words
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Sorry thought to write some small but seeing and facing these kind of situations almost everyday i would not resist from making a long post...(i was just trying let out my frustration, sorry if could not express properly).
You rightly said this is what having in the real world irrespective of the place, religion and education of the boy.
I myself personally encountered these kind of men, to be frank worst...

To be frank my father is very traditional in his actions but modern in his thoughts and that's how my family is ... My mother was working till she got retired and I have never seen my dad asking her not to work and even i grandmother who stays with us always helped my mother to take care of the house if my mother was busy at work...But mostly my mother had the efficiency to manage both of them.My parents always encouraged me and my sister to become strong and independent women who should never be dependent on any one for financial assistance, because they believed that they can give birth to children but not the their fates and we never know what we have will have to face in future...And being financial dependent on one will kill once confidence...And till we joined jobs we thought that the entire world is similar and most of the men think like my dad, my super hero but once we joined jobs and started to meet people and share our thoughts especially on marriage or expectations about our spouse i realized that world is contrary, and onces my parents started searching for alliance for my sister I have seen something i never expected. ..

That is when i realized in reality most of the men look modern and their actions are modern but not their thoughts...

I meet men who want their wife to leave the job and stay at home after marriage..
I meet men who think a women even after working for 6-7 years should not have any ambitions related to careers and they think Women work only for fun and once married they should stay at home and prove to be best wife, daughter in law, then mother and then even grandmother...
I meet men who want their wife to leave job and take care of kids once they have them...
I meet men who wants their wife to leave job and take care of their kids once they have them and again re join the job once kids are 5-6 years old... That is at their will and fancy...
I meet men who wants their wife to work and even take care of the home without him helping her...something like superwomen...
To my horror I even meet boys who want their wife to be educated but should not work and obey to each and every word of his without voicing her opinion...
And so on...list is very long..
Even the men whose mother are working women share similar thoughts..

ANd in reality 90% of men are like this and that is harsh fact...

I don't say all of them are like that, most of the men i encountered are like that...

And why ISA is different almost all the serials serve us the same, a super women who is mahatma and in most of the serial where women work after the marriage ...



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Posted: 7 years ago
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I may be the few that completely agrees with you.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: spshastr


Wife is his property.see him he's nice to all because
Get doesn't own them per him.he was ok with Zara earlier
As she wasn't his wife.even yesterday he never made her
Sleep on the sofa.he won't do such things but working
Outside is a no


hope yu guys are right... guess we need to be patient!😳
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.




Your expression is SO good !!👏👏

<font size="2">parts @ bold - couldnt have been summarised better.</font>

<font size="2">The old patient kabeer is for the society, he wont go lectureing anyone on a road but hi standrads are different for his wife, hypocritical yes? Real yes?</font>

<font size="2">How how true is it that kabeer can be a good husband to so many girls out there, he can be a [erfect husband to ruksaar, but he is the complete opposite to Zara, so what happens when you get into a marriage with a complete opposite man .. you walk out ? no .. I am proud to stan ISA to give us a fairytale which can bring a change in the society ..</font>



Thank you,you yourself write so well! Marriage is not a matter to be taken lightly.To make a marriage work is not easy and to walk out of a marriage is not easy either. Of course people should walk out of marriages which are abusive and toxic but Zaara and Kabeer's marriage has not yet reached that phase. Arguments between a husband and wife is the most common thing in the world, especially in the first year or two of marriage when they struggle to adjust with other. For some its relatively easier, for others it's a bit more complicated. Zaara and Kabeer have only started working on their marriage and unless one of them is physically and/or verbally abusive or an addict of some sort, there is no reason to give up so soon. I am by no means justifying Kabeer's holding Zaara tightly but Kabeer does not strike to me as a person who would raise his hands on her ever. Why? Because he is not a horrible person. He is just an emotional person who, when he is angry, gets really angry. The only reason he held Zaara tightly was because he didn't even realize that he was holding her so tightly and hurting her. Raising his hands would be something he would know would be hurtful to her so I don't see him going as far as that. I am saying this because he keeps repeating that it is his responsibility to take care of Zaara and keep her happy. He just doesn't get it that he is in the process of making Zaara unhappy. If he did, he would try to do something about it. It just didn't register with him because he has always associated a woman's happiness to her home,husband and children.

Marriages fortunately or unfortunately have grey areas which cannot be put in black and white. Between being in a healthy relationship and an unhealthy one, there is also one where couples hold each other tightly, argue more often than people consider healthy and put up with things that many people would think unacceptable. They need not necessary always cross the line and become abusive to each other. I think Kabeer and Zaara are right now in that grey area where they are being quite unhealthy for each other, Kabeer being more so because his belief and attitude is likely to leave a scar. Zaara, without realizing, is invading Kabeer's private space too. I think my husband would be quite annoyed if I behaved the way Zaara did with regards to taking the issue to shariya board. Honestly, if my husband turned up in my workplace and placed my work on the table, I would be royally pissed. On top of that, Kabeer also needed to hear that by virtue of being the husband to the chairman's daughter, he would anyways get his project passed. Also, in a marriage, not everything can be put in a box of right and wrong. If my husband lets me wear what I want to without forcing me to wear burkha, then I think I would let his deal be sealed even if I didn't like the man or agree to his thoughts. Standing up for what you believe in is healthy but knowing what to say where is smartness. She would have plenty of time and opportunity to influence people's thought through her work in the Sharia board, she need not get into argument with every tom,dick and harry she crosses path with. Both are taking too much of each others personal space: Zaara cannot herself decide she wants to be a part of Kabeer's project, its upto Kabeer to decide who he wants onboard and who he doesn't and Kabeer can't dictate whether Zaara works or not, that is her freedom to decide.

I am enjoying seeing Kabeer's ideologies come to the forefront and waiting eagerly for the ones regarding women to be dismantled one by one.

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