The sudden hatred for Kabir :O

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peeyara

@peeyara

Stunner

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Posted: 7 years ago

I am seriously annoyed at people hating Kabir as if his character had made a 360 degree turn🥱 Initially I thought this show have sane fandom but ever since Kashmir's track happened, I am seeing either harmonal fans or feminist brigade🥱 Just take a chill pill and smell the coffee

Why kabir isnt holding zara hand or why is he never the first one to initiate *seriously*

Since epi 1 we have seen how shy kabir is and how bindas Zaara is. Give him some time, he will come around. In real life too, majority of men dont know how to show affection, they have bizarre n weird ways to shows affection and they follow this entire life. But since this is fiction, let the character of develop, let him turn into a butterfly, he will openly show affection. Just stop acting like harmonal teenagers and for once enjoy this old school romance(trust me hawwt romance can never make u feel the way OSR does😳). Kabir cannot turn into some lover boy just within a month of marriage. Strong relationships are build brick by brick. Kabir is now *farz mode*. It will take time for him to come into *love mode*

Their conflicts have just started and feminist brigade is saying zara should leave Kabir *rolls eyes* Breaking relationships is that easy? You have one disagreement and you will walk away from your marriage? There is a thin line between ego and self respect.

May be most of the viewers have watched fairy tales and that is why they are saying this. But whatever couples I had shipped they have been imperfect individuals who made their marriage perfect. Be it Ram-Priya or Zaroon-Kashaf, they have their own short comings yet they stick by each other and made a wonderful strong relation.

Exactly like a quote goes, "A great marriage is not a union of perfect couple, but an imperfect who accept and embraces ech other's flaws"

Kabir isnt some rude, arrogant guy who is insulting or mistreating zaara. He is as real as he can get. Yes, look around yourself, you will find them-in your family, in friends, in locality. There are many men out there who have issues with working wife and if all those wives will start walking out or giving divorces, there will be no marriages left😆 Kabir is reserved, have backward thinking yet he is soft, respect women. Even I felt bad when he threw zara's work in dustbin, when he refused to take her help but then if zara would have done same, we would hv applauded her saying woah! She is dignified, she is independent so why double standards for Kabir? Cos he is a male? When you are marriage, you support each other and there is no harm in taking help of your spouse-wife or husband

Also this show is about women empowerment so how do you suppose makers to show it? If Kabir will start giving in each of zaara's demand, if he will follow her blindly just cos they are married, what will makers show? This will turn out into some "Joru ka ghulam kaise bane" show 😆 To make viewers understands, there have to be Pro n counter arguments and this makers will achieve by showing both side's thought process, pros n cons of both side, perspective of both side.

Zaara have every reason to love Kabir. Remember she is so against idea of divorce and when kabir's life was at stake he flatly refused to divorce her and pteferred dying. Which girl will not fall for him? Its a huge thing for zaara and also she is open minded and she keeps seeing his good side and she is falling more n more for him. Whereas for Kabir, Zara has done nothing great-wore Abayah for him and what else? She is making small gestures for him and trust me small gestures makes huge difference but it takes time. Kabir will definitely realised all her small gestures and fall hard for her. Right now its just farz for him and love for her.

People are angry that why he is thinking about Ruksar's words. The answer is - she is speaking truth. Irfan have given him Nayab Qaazi post just cos he is his SIL and if he had a son, he would not have done so. He didnt got the position cos FIL thought he is worthy of it and Kabir certainly didnt liked it and he is pondering over it.

Kabir was gud in Kashmir and now he is behaving strnge? Really? He created the scene in reataurant just to follow sunnah. They decided to behave properly and they were alone. Zara and her safety was important to him and his responsibility. They had gud time. And now coming back he has his whole focus on his project.

He stopped zara from going to Board and Zara took it lightly as she have her fangirl blinders on. The moment she is out of her dreamland, you will see strong zara who will fight for her rights and will also make sure that her marriage works out. I believe women have more resilience, patience, high tolerance and that is why they always try hard to keep relations intact. If women too will start behaving like men and say "when he dont care, why should I" phir toh upar wala hi reham kare lol...in a relationship of two, atleast one person need to have patience. Not saying that women should take all the shit, there is always a line and the day that line is crossed, better walk away. Walking out just cos you have diff perspective, without even trying to solve is a sign of cowardice.

The nazar n nazariya ka fark have just begun and fans have already given up. There is a long way to go. Kabir will slowly slowly suffocate zaara, zaara will have a heartbreak realising that her feelings are not return and she is just a "farz". Have patience and watch the show and please let the makers unwrap it slowly n steadily. Do not form opinions, do not hate kabir cos he is being same since epi 1. Wait to see how zara moulds her maulvi

We are yet to reach the point,

"Pyaar tujhse karega jo pachtayega, umar bhar dukh bharee geet hi gaayega,zindagi ki usey phir zaroorat nahi,tere pehlu mai ghut ghut ke mar jayega"

Long journey it is!

PS: this post went pretty long I guess😆 khair the whole purpose of typing this much was to say try to understand the characters and their basic characteristics before judging or expecting too much. Kabir is being typical man who have this MCP nature yet he took zara to the place where he wants to start his project, he is sharing each of his dream and all the problems asaociates wid project ONLY wid her and that speaks something. But he isnt ready to take her help cos of their diff of opinion which will spark some arguments...indirectly trying to have easy breezy life with her

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peeyara

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Posted: 7 years ago

I hope i hv not blabbered some rubbish stuff and made sense🤣

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Ammy

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Posted: 7 years ago

Bang ON!! You've summarised whatever I said in different posts upto a certain level.

I do understand you but there are always people who have the same stance as you and also who have different opinion, you should learn to ignore the latter ones.

I guess there're many people who are yet to be married in this forum, even I'm one of them and so we can't really know the depth till we touch the water. All we need to do right now is giving time to the show for the setup of its plot, once the characters are set only then we can see them changing as we expect them to. I do condemn Kabir right now but I would also appreciate him when he starts changing.

Yes, I said I'm taking a break from the show but its only because I watch the shows only when its purely positive or in a good phase to save myself from heartbreaks, I'll marathon later when the plot starts shining again, anyways I'm an online viewer who doesn't contribute to trp's. Regarding feminism, I think many people misunderstand the concept, true feminism considers everyone equal and if Zara behaves the same way as Kabir its wrong even then, feminsim doesn't support women irrespective of their behaviour.

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aqua.m7

@aqua.m7

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Posted: 7 years ago

Every day I log out and promise myself I won't get go on the forum.

And everyday I break that promise because there are really thoughtful people in this forum. People of all ages, views and wisdom due to different experiences in life.

What I love about this fact is that I've started to see everything in a different light with every single analysis.

THANKYOU for this. Its made my re evaluate the situation and see kabeer and zaras relationship in a new light.

Every since this track started I've been so immature and impatient. And don't get me started on the constant buck throwing. It's kabirs fault. No it's not, yes it is. Arghhh I'm having so many conflicting emotions about him.

But what you just highlighted is in fact the truth of life. It's not a fairy wprld, and its most definitely not the sugar costed crap we see on tv.

However I'm still very much against his actions and attitude towards Zara and by no means am I ever going to justify his actions.

But... I feel like it's needed. It's needed for zara to snap out of her la la land, for kabeer to appreciate and start to love her presence and thought. But most importantly it is important for us, for society to realise that injustice is becoming part of the norm, that its wrong and one should raise their voice..

P.s that stuff about the qazi post was on point. It's true. He only got the post because irfan and salma want to secure zaras position in the ahmed household. If he was so against the mehr he should have spoken up against the post too.

Great post!

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ZaaraBB

@ZaaraBB

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Posted: 7 years ago

I have so much to say! Firstly, i cannot believe what i just read!!! The tag lines we got( and i say WE because i am upset with how Kabir's character is developing and I do feel its taking a huge turn), how we fans are described as 'hormonal fans' and 'feminist brigade'; that is down right rude and pathetic. Sorry if i sound crazy, i do apologize, but i find that very low and disrespectful.

I agree, I am one, of lets describe it as "Anti-Kabir" at the moment. When this serial first started, I enjoyed watching a fresh new ML who i felt didn't hesitate to stand up for women, or stand up to say how he fully feels no matter the situation, regardlesss of if it was his father or whoever, what he thought was wrong was wrong. He had always made a stand for what he felt was right. Be it their first encounter in the train, then standing up, well basically shielding Siddique's respect> or let me say Zara- a woman's respect in front of the media. The playful Kabir who came back after his madressa who was in the kitchen cooking for his family. Or the Kabir who actually looked at his wife lovingly. WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM ???? every since he returned from Kashmir he is a changed individual. Doesn't smile as often and barely cares to show any care or RESPECT for his wife. The truth is, maybe Kabir is not so vocal about his feelings, but before expressions were there na?

As quoted, "Kabir cannot turn into some lover boy just within a month of marriage. Strong relationships are build brick by brick.". this is very true. I personally do not expect him to just fall in love with her like that. She has not done anything superior as yet for him to fall in love with her anyhow, however He has, he saved her and as you said he perform his duties, but within these duties where is the RESPECT. NO ONE wants him to be a 'joru ka gulam'. It is just his thinking that changed and lack of respect. I understand the show is about women's rights and how she and Kabir adjust and live thier life. But in any relationship, the foundation of any relationship in my opinion is respect. Respect comes first. And, i am not sure if Kabir even realizes it, but he is belittling Zara in so many ways. He threw the papers she wrote away, he was ready to show his affection by holding her hands when he wanted the Mahr's cheque and without fully listening to her, he made an assumption and then quarrels her out. For a newly married couple, that is not healthy at all.

Another issue, I agree Kabir is opening up to Zara with his dream project and investors and trials and what not. BUT its all about him. His dream, his issues and his problems. Kabir is not being fair at all. But when Zara says she wants to come to the meetings and join back work, he has an issue and tells her to stay home!! WHY???? Where are her rights then? Her dreams? Kabir is being sick selfish!

All in All, i loved Kabir's character and so as Zara's. I mean come on, Kabir has good ways. He doesn't talk to her in a loud tone, and when he did he immediately apologized, and the other stuff in Kashmir, like calling her parents and what not. So even though i am venting I am still going to watch the show to see how it unfolds for us. But Lack of RESPECT is my issue. If that makes me a feminist brigade so be it!! Another thing, if we women sit down and take bullshit from men, because we grew up seeing men put crap on the table and the woman silently conforms because this is how 'typical men' are then something is wrong with us!! We as women need to teach men, that both men and women are valuable in their own ways, and women can do the same as men, visa versa. Men must realize just because you married the woman does not mean you own her. She stills has all rights she previously had. The only thing that comes to her is her responsibilities towards her husband. What Kabir is doing, or what it is portrayed to me as, is Kabir believes that Zara must stay at home because he said so. But the next morning he tells her come and Zara jumps and goes!! See, this is why i am annoyed. LACK OF RESPECT!!!!!

Anyways, i hope i didn't come across rude, because seriously, that was not my intention. I support strong healthy discussions. Hope there is no hard feelings!! Btw good posts!! Opens more discussion😆

Edited by -Zaara-. - 7 years ago

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shereenm

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Posted: 7 years ago

Hi I am a silent member and don't really post much, I love to read others posts. In this case I can see why people are hating Kabir and it is all because of Ruksar. It is her intervention and conspiracy that is lead to a different thought pattern in Kabir. Think about it if there was no Ruksar then Zara would not be infatuated with Kabir ( I don't call it love because I don't think she is in love she is just trying to make the marriage work by impressing Kabir). There differences would be shown in a different way, but because we have this third wheel and Kabir is kind of taking on her words is leading to the hatred. Think about it in every marriage is there a third person there might be in some but not all. I feel the writers should not of involved Ruksar and left her as a bystander not do all the things that she has done, then both Zara and Kabir's flaws would be shown.

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adni143

@adni143

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: -Zaara-.
I have so much to say! Firstly, i cannot believe what i just read!!! The tag lines we got( and i say WE because i am upset with how Kabir's character is developing and I do feel its taking a huge turn), how we fans are described as 'hormonal fans' and 'feminist brigade'; that is down right rude and pathetic. Sorry if i sound crazy, i do apologize, but i find that very low and disrespectful.

I agree, I am one, of lets describe it as "Anti-Kabir" at the moment. When this serial first started, I enjoyed watching a fresh new ML who i felt didn't hesitate to stand up for women, or stand up to say how he fully feels no matter the situation, regardlesss of if it was his father or whoever, what he thought was wrong was wrong. He had always made a stand for what he felt was right. Be it their first encounter in the train, then standing up, well basically shielding Siddique's respect> or let me say Zara- a woman's respect in front of the media. The playful Kabir who came back after his madressa who was in the kitchen cooking for his family. Or the Kabir who actually looked at his wife lovingly. WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM ???? every since he returned from Kashmir he is a changed individual. Doesn't smile as often and barely cares to show any care or RESPECT for his wife. The truth is, maybe Kabir is not so vocal about his feelings, but before expressions were there na?

As quoted, "Kabir cannot turn into some lover boy just within a month of marriage. Strong relationships are build brick by brick.". this is very true. I personally do not expect him to just fall in love with her like that. She has not done anything superior as yet for him to fall in love with her anyhow, however He has, he saved her and as you said he perform his duties, but within these duties where is the RESPECT. NO ONE wants him to be a 'joru ka gulam'. It is just his thinking that changed and lack of respect. I understand the show is about women's rights and how she and Kabir adjust and live thier life. But in any relationship, the foundation of any relationship in my opinion is respect. Respect comes first. And, i am not sure if Kabir even realizes it, but he is belittling Zara in so many ways. He threw the papers she wrote away, he was ready to show his affection by holding her hands when he wanted the Mahr's cheque and without fully listening to her, he made an assumption and then quarrels her out. For a newly married couple, that is not healthy at all.

Another issue, I agree Kabir is opening up to Zara with his dream project and investors and trials and what not. BUT its all about him. His dream, his issues and his problems. Kabir is not being fair at all. But when Zara says she wants to come to the meetings and join back work, he has an issue and tells her to stay home!! WHY???? Where are her rights then? Her dreams? Kabir is being sick selfish!

All in All, i loved Kabir's character and so as Zara's. I mean come on, Kabir has good ways. He doesn't talk to her in a loud tone, and when he did he immediately apologized, and the other stuff in Kashmir, like calling her parents and what not. So even though i am venting I am still going to watch the show to see how it unfolds for us. But Lack of RESPECT is my issue. If that makes me a feminist brigade so be it!! Another thing, if we women sit down and take bullshit from men, because we grew up seeing men put crap on the table and the woman silently conforms because this is how 'typical men' are then something is wrong with us!! We as women need to teach men, that both men and women are valuable in their own ways, and women can do the same as men, visa versa. Men must realize just because you married the woman does not mean you own her. She stills has all rights she previously had. The only thing that comes to her is her responsibilities towards her husband. What Kabir is doing, or what it is portrayed to me as, is Kabir believes that Zara must stay at home because he said so. But the next morning he tells her come and Zara jumps and goes!! See, this is why i am annoyed. LACK OF RESPECT!!!!!

Anyways, i hope i didn't come across rude, because seriously, that was not my intention. I support strong healthy discussions. Hope there is no hard feelings!! Btw good posts!! Opens more discussion😆

exactly everyone is quoting its real life or fairytale life but point is we need to fiight for future generation by acknollaging it in real life ya it will give some bad test but its neessary for our chindren healthy future i in my house even have lot of difficulty when i tell them truth they bicott me sometime or start scolding me and thus its not easy i have to fight back more and more in a hope it will makeem reallise that money is not everything but real happiness and future of children not lie in the money they save in bank but te morals they have and what they follow as a feminine will come and everything will drown but values will be always with us

there are mNY CASES IN MY HOME AND RECENTLY I WAS SURPRISED TO KNOW ABOUT MY ONE COUSIN WHO GOT MARRIED TO EINGINEER AND THE GIRL IS JUST SITTING IN THE HOME MAKING FOOD AND ALL ARE SAYING THAT THERE IS NO NEEDOF MONEY SO WHAT THE NEED FOR HER TO WORK

I DONT WHY PEOPLE EQUATE EDUCATION AND PASSION WITH MONEY AND COMFORTS

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Anniiee

@Anniiee

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: -Zaara-.
I have so much to say! Firstly, i cannot believe what i just read!!! The tag lines we got( and i say WE because i am upset with how Kabir's character is developing and I do feel its taking a huge turn), how we fans are described as 'hormonal fans' and 'feminist brigade'; that is down right rude and pathetic. Sorry if i sound crazy, i do apologize, but i find that very low and disrespectful.

I agree, I am one, of lets describe it as "Anti-Kabir" at the moment. When this serial first started, I enjoyed watching a fresh new ML who i felt didn't hesitate to stand up for women, or stand up to say how he fully feels no matter the situation, regardlesss of if it was his father or whoever, what he thought was wrong was wrong. He had always made a stand for what he felt was right. Be it their first encounter in the train, then standing up, well basically shielding Siddique's respect> or let me say Zara- a woman's respect in front of the media. The playful Kabir who came back after his madressa who was in the kitchen cooking for his family. Or the Kabir who actually looked at his wife lovingly. WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM ???? every since he returned from Kashmir he is a changed individual. Doesn't smile as often and barely cares to show any care or RESPECT for his wife. The truth is, maybe Kabir is not so vocal about his feelings, but before expressions were there na?

As quoted, "Kabir cannot turn into some lover boy just within a month of marriage. Strong relationships are build brick by brick.". this is very true. I personally do not expect him to just fall in love with her like that. She has not done anything superior as yet for him to fall in love with her anyhow, however He has, he saved her and as you said he perform his duties, but within these duties where is the RESPECT. NO ONE wants him to be a 'joru ka gulam'. It is just his thinking that changed and lack of respect. I understand the show is about women's rights and how she and Kabir adjust and live thier life. But in any relationship, the foundation of any relationship in my opinion is respect. Respect comes first. And, i am not sure if Kabir even realizes it, but he is belittling Zara in so many ways. He threw the papers she wrote away, he was ready to show his affection by holding her hands when he wanted the Mahr's cheque and without fully listening to her, he made an assumption and then quarrels her out. For a newly married couple, that is not healthy at all.

Another issue, I agree Kabir is opening up to Zara with his dream project and investors and trials and what not. BUT its all about him. His dream, his issues and his problems. Kabir is not being fair at all. But when Zara says she wants to come to the meetings and join back work, he has an issue and tells her to stay home!! WHY???? Where are her rights then? Her dreams? Kabir is being sick selfish!

All in All, i loved Kabir's character and so as Zara's. I mean come on, Kabir has good ways. He doesn't talk to her in a loud tone, and when he did he immediately apologized, and the other stuff in Kashmir, like calling her parents and what not. So even though i am venting I am still going to watch the show to see how it unfolds for us. But Lack of RESPECT is my issue. If that makes me a feminist brigade so be it!! Another thing, if we women sit down and take bullshit from men, because we grew up seeing men put crap on the table and the woman silently conforms because this is how 'typical men' are then something is wrong with us!! We as women need to teach men, that both men and women are valuable in their own ways, and women can do the same as men, visa versa. Men must realize just because you married the woman does not mean you own her. She stills has all rights she previously had. The only thing that comes to her is her responsibilities towards her husband. What Kabir is doing, or what it is portrayed to me as, is Kabir believes that Zara must stay at home because he said so. But the next morning he tells her come and Zara jumps and goes!! See, this is why i am annoyed. LACK OF RESPECT!!!!!

Anyways, i hope i didn't come across rude, because seriously, that was not my intention. I support strong healthy discussions. Hope there is no hard feelings!! Btw good posts!! Opens more discussion😆

Bang on post!👏👏 You have just summed up everything i feel/wanted to say.

Edited by Anniiee - 7 years ago

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Anniiee

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Posted: 7 years ago

I have a right to my views just like you are entitled to yours... but calling others "hormonal teenagers" & "feminist brigade" just because they have opposing views as to yours is downright rude and insulting...

I don't expect Kabeer to fall in love with her just because she seems have to have fallen in love with him...nor do i expect him to become romantic overnight...but the utter lack of respect he has for Zara is disturbing... he was more respectful towards her before..be it during the tripple taalaq clash in the train or the Sleevless dress vala debate...He always let her keep her points and state her view even if he didn't agree with it...

Maybe he wanted to work alone... not wanting Zara's help/interference is justified... but throwing her work in the bin..? that's not okay and its just a sign a male chauvinism... I agree that many males in the society are like that...But if we as women don't raise our voice and continue to accept this sort of behavior then nothing will ever change..😊 And yes in relationships people have to be patient and also compromise at times...But if only one of the two has to be patient/compromise every time the relationship starts becoming suffocating... I think once Zara comes out of her bubble she would realize and withdraw herself from Kabeer and this would pave way for a redemption kinda track...

P.S not trying to be rude or anything,just giving my view... If i can go gaga over kabeer,i can also be pissed at him... Peace!😃😃

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ZaaraBB

@ZaaraBB

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: Anniiee
I have a right to my views just like you are entitled to yours... but calling others "hormonal teenagers" & "feminist brigade" just because they have opposing views as to yours is downright rude and insulting...

I don't expect Kabeer to fall in love with her just because she seems have to have fallen in love with him...nor do i expect him to become romantic overnight...but the utter lack of respect he has for Zara is disturbing... he was more respectful towards her before..be it during the tripple taalaq clash in the train or the Sleevless dress vala debate...He always let her keep her points and state her view even if he didn't agree with it...

Maybe he wanted to work alone... not wanting Zara's help/interference is justified... but throwing her work in the bin..? that's not okay and its just a sign a male chauvinism... I agree that many males in the society are like that...But if we as women don't raise our voice and continue to accept this sort of behavior then nothing will ever change..😊 And yes in relationships people have to be patient and also compromise at times...But if only one of the two has to be patient/compromise every time the relationship starts becoming suffocating... I think once Zara comes out of her bubble she would realize and withdraw herself from Kabeer and this would pave way for a redemption kinda track...

P.S not trying to be rude or anything,just giving my view... If i can go gaga over kabeer,i can also be pissed at him... Peace!😃😃

Love it ❤️ I agree. That time will come too where Zara will get back her senses. Poor girl is in love, with her hero who saved her...i guess with the Kashmir aftermath, she ought to fall in love. But Zara int stupid that girl will be back in her feet in no time!!!

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