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Posted: 4 years ago
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Really appreciate you opting in to create this thread Kanika. The issues you have raised are not just yours but are of many of the viewers who've been with the show since its beginning. I'll briefly point out my concerns that are similar to yours in the list below.

In terms of storyline and characters, IPZN is undoubtedly one of the most refreshing ones out there on ITV and one that has brought many of us back to Indian television after a long while. It was understandable that the episodes would have an impact mechanics-wise (as many other shows did) once the team had to shift to the resort in Diu during lockdown. Since the story took a 6 months leap, in particular, the episodes have not been able to meet the standards IPZN itself set in regards to lighting, camera-angles and editing. I admit that the technical issues have improved since they moved to their regular location but only slightly so, and not enough for me to see it as anything above average.

What bothers me most in the recent episodes is the lighting and the camera angles. Technical team, if you see this, I will not compare IPZN with other ITV shows, please just go back to a few pre-leap episodes, either the initial ones or even the ones shot at the resort pre-leap, to see what we are talking about. I will just point out something from the show:

Exhibit A:

This is episode 8:

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This is episode 94:

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I am not talking about warm lights vs blue lights as the backdrop, I am talking about the setup and the angles here. The first one looks like a proper café (whether it is or isn't) whereas the second one is a very obvious and poor attempt at making it look like a restaurant. The setup is not up to the mark (how is that a proper restaurant-style seating arrangement?) but most importantly, the first one is done using a wider shot than the second one. I can see and feel the space surrounding Ishqi and Ahaan. I get this sense of this being a complete scene. The second one appears as if someone put a camera on a tripod in front of them and is trying to cram everyone into one frame. I don't/can't see anything surrounding these five and the average lighting, average setup and average shot make it harder for me to enjoy the scene as an audience because I am not convinced.

  1. Please don't overuse these close shot angles, it feels claustrophobic, crowded and poorly-done. Sometimes we need the wide shots and mid shots as well. We understand that doing outdoor shoots have been limited due to current circumstances but a well-shot scene can still make up for the lack of space in many ways.
  2. While you are at it, please pay more attention to the setup. We understand budget issues and outdoor location issues but an indoor shot can be done with way more finesse than we see now. Again, kindly look at the earlier episodes.
  3. Please give us tracking shots from time to time. It's important because there are scenes where getting a feel of the surrounding completes the shot and gives it a nice finish.
  4. Please be more mindful of the lighting which is mostly dull and bleak nowadays-- it kills the mood you're trying to achieve especially during the romantic or other impactful scenes.

Again, I am enjoying the story and the characters a lot. I have tried doing my part in the recent trends and everything to save the show because I want it to stay but I also want it to thrive for as long as it is here. I cannot pretend to be content with scenes just because it is Ishqaan or the Malhotra gang on-screen--I need pleasing visuals, well-shot scenes which is not much to ask for since IPZN had already done that in the past. I wish LM and team could be brought back but even if that is not doable, I request the new/current team to work on their skills because you have got a great show with great potential here. Please explore and widen your horizons and don't let this opportunity go to waste.

Edited by rubys07 - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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That one restaurant picture is all we need to show the difference. That is exactly we all are talking about. Everythign is in zoomed in mode these days. Look at this shot now.

Ep 96: Why is this aerial shot? Why can't it be straight wide shot or mid shot? Am I suppsed to see their heads? This is so unprofessional. 4 lions PH should not be givign such shoddy scene. This is basic thing yaar. I have zero knowledge in photography and I can still shoot better angle with my phone.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: kankabhor

That one restaurant picture is all we need to show the difference. That is exactly we all are talking about. Everythign is in zoomed in mode these days. Look at this shot now.

Ep 96: Why is this aerial shot? Why can't it be straight wide shot or mid shot? Am I suppsed to see their heads? This is so unprofessional. 4 lions PH should not be givign such shoddy scene. This is basic thing yaar. I have zero knowledge in photography and I can still shoot better angle with my phone.


Bold: 🤣

This was another issue for me as well. That whole setup was supposed to look romantic and to me it didn't do a good job. All the while I was thinking "Am I being too fussy? I don't see what's so special here" because in all honesty, it wasn't well-shot. First off, it looks less like a romantic getaway spot and way more like a birthday party your friends put together at the last minute to calm your nerves down. Negative spaces are important in some scenes but this wasn't one of those in my opinion. THIS is a setting where you need to cover up/use the empty spaces so they don't overshadow the focus (Ishqi and Ahaan) and spoil the scene, and be tactful with camera angles because it seems like a small room and you have to make the most of it.

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Aerial shots are okay where the characters are lying down or where their faces/bodies are clearly visible to the audience but here it was plain unnecessary because it failed to draw attention to anything in particular. I see everything in this scene (why on earth am I looking at the corners of those walls and the floor tiles pray tell?) but at the same time it doesn't highlight what it's supposed to highlight. Param and Akshita are great performers but even their excellent acting skills can't save scenes like these that are so carelessly shot and edited, and this has been the case for several Ishqaan scenes off late (not even taking the non-Ishqaan scenes into consideration).

Edited by rubys07 - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Thank you Kanika for making this thread...based on our EDT discussions I can say most of us on this forum have problem with the issues you pointed out.

My biggest concern is with camera angles, choppy editing. Here I am adding few more examples

camera angles:

I really don't understand the issue with closeup angles post leap. If you are trying to do something new it's miserably failing. For example Episode 68, it was supposed be one of the best episodes of the show. It has beautifully written dialogues/scenes and the actors performed so well but the camera angles were so poor. Entire time I was watching the airport confession scene, I got the feeling they were looking with one eye, it was bizarre.

and what was the deal about camera going round and round during Dadi and Savvy confrontation? (Episode 95)

Choppy Editing:

In the same episode (Episode 68) when Ahaan asked will you marry me, his face was not even shown, these are all basic things how can these go so wrong. and the beach scene in the same episode was poorly edited too. Except few episodes most of them post leap have bad editing issues. Not only this takes away the feel and also makes episodes too rushed.

BGM:

Please tone down on the bgm when negative characters are on screen it doesn't need the loud music.


This show has unique viewers, if you try to make it over dramatic you will loose the core viewers as well. All episodes pre-leap felt so organic and I watched each episode 6-7 times. But post leap even though content is good due to above mentioned issues I cant get myself to watch it more than once.

This is a sincere request, please think about it. All folks on this forum fought really hard for the extension and deserve to ask for better content. Thank You!

Edited by sparklep - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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The camera angle issue: Whose job is it?

Please whom should I send these snapshots so that they understand what is the issue

I am ready to engage with anyone if it solves the issue

Edited by kankabhor - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Abha replied to me that she will forward feedback to the team. But the messege I sent her had only OTT BGM issue not other issues.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: kankabhor

Abha replied to me that she will forward feedback to the team. But the messege I sent her had only OTT BGM issue not other issues.


Kanika I was thinking maybe both this thread and the one we have addressing the writers could be sent to the team on IG since all of them seems to be active there anyways. Even if they not look at this or pay any heed, it's worth a shot IMO. Forum wasis who are on IG, will you guys mind sharing the two thread links with the cast/crew members there? I'm afraid they're unaware how their technical issues are ruining many perfectly good scenes/the overall story.


p.s. Please feel free to tag anyone else who might be on IG as per your knowledge.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Thanks for the thread Kanika👍🏼


Tuesday's epi (EP96) too had sudden cuts/edits. Ahaan takes out the car and tries to reverse it but the scene was cut midway through his action. This didn't have any dialogues but the finesse/completeness seemed lacking as a result. Another one when Savitri had called up Ishqi to thank her but the scene was cut short before she could say thank you and hang up.


Also I've noticed lately, some scenes that would've looked better within the original timeframe are being used directly in flashback sequences in the same episode. Is that intentional?🤔

Edited by Bucky - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: rubys07


Kanika I was thinking maybe both this thread and the one we have addressing the writers could be sent to the team on IG since all of them seems to be active there anyways. Even if they not look at this or pay any heed, it's worth a shot IMO. Forum wasis who are on IG, will you guys mind sharing the two thread links with the cast/crew members there? I'm afraid they're unaware how their technical issues are ruining many perfectly good scenes/the overall story.


p.s. Please feel free to tag anyone else who might be on IG as per your knowledge.


The only person on technical team I found on IG is raju gauli who is DOP. I can share this with him. I can't find director or editor. Can anyone please tell me how to contact director?

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: kankabhor


The only person on technical team I found on IG is raju gauli who is DOP. I can share this with him. I can't find director or editor. Can anyone please tell me how to contact director?

I'm not sure if the director is on any SM but I'll ask around to see if anyone's found anything.

Do you think sharing with the cast might be of any use?

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