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Nandini

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Posted: 13 years ago

#641

Where can we find more info about Mahakanyas and Mahasatis?

and why Kanaya does that mean virgin?

but they werent vergins were they? I mean kunti can be a virgin but others?

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Janaki

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Posted: 13 years ago

#642

Here's the next question:

Why did Lavanasur swear enmity on Shri Ram?

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Varnita Khare

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Posted: 13 years ago

#643

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath
@everyone,

There are some stories that say Pavan Dev had impregnated Anjana like he had impregnated Kunti later on in Dwapar Yuga, which is why Hanuman is called Pavanputra, but the most popular source is that Anjana and Kesari were blessed by him to have a son like him, and that is the one I like best because it does not demean the Gods' greatness.😊 Some stories make them seem like carnal creatures and I don't like that.🤢

Likewise, I am guessing that Rikshaja and Aruni were also the biological parents of Vali and Sugriva, but were blessed by Indra and Surya to have sons like that, so that's why Vali is called Indra's son and Sugriva Surya's son.

But Hanumaanji is also called Kesari nandan, Dosen't He? 😲 Also if Pawan dev has done such thing with Anjana why kesari would have accepted him as his Son? The men in history were not so good and kind! Gutam Rishi is the Main Example of that! And why Shankarji would have taken avatar in the Result of such illegal Preganancy? 😕 I dont think this story can be true anyway!

While Anjani and Kesari being blessed by Shankarji and Pawan Dev for having a Son sounds more reliable and makes COmplete Sence 😊

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Janaki

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Posted: 13 years ago

#644

Originally posted by: Nandiniraizaada

Pawan was the father of Hanuman the way he was of bheem

The Pandavas' birth was different, Nandini. It is written by Sage Vyasa that Kunti was not merely "blessed" by the Gods as in that case of Anjana or Aruni, but she was in a union with them. The mantra Durvasa had given her was that whichever God she thought of would impregnate her as a human would. According to the Mahabharata when Kunti and Pandu did not have any children due to his curse, Pandu told her that as per scriptures, if a husband who is incapable of fathering children gives his wife permission to be in a union with another man, it is not a sin. Pandu told Kunti to go to a brahmin man so that their children could be spiritual. But Kunti thought that if she must be in a union with someone else, to have children with God would be superior to having children with a human, so she told Pandu about her boon from Durvasa and he told her which Gods to evoke.

So the birth of Hanuman and Bheem is different, though they are said to be brothers.

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Varnita Khare

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Posted: 13 years ago

#645

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath
Here's the next question:

Why did Lavanasur swear enmity on Shri Ram?

because Raavan's and Lavanasur's moms, Kakasi and Kumbhinasi were real Sisters. making them Cousins. This is the reason Lavnasura wanted to revenge Ram for the Death of Ravana, Right?

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Janaki

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Posted: 13 years ago

#646

Originally posted by: Varnita.

But Hanumaanji is also called Kesari nandan, Dosen't He? 😲 Also if Pawan dev has done such thing with Anjana why kesari would have accepted him as his Son? The men in history were not so good and kind! Gutam Rishi is the Main Example of that! And why Shankarji would have taken avatar in the Result of such illegal Preganancy? 😕 I dont think this story can be true anyway!
While Anjani and Kesari being blessed by Shankarji and Pawan Dev for having a Son sounds more reliable and makes COmplete Sence 😊

I know it doesn't sound accurate, but then again vanars were said to be kinder men than humans, weren't they? I mean, Sugriva accepted Ruma back desptie her living with Vali for many months or years, whereas a human man would not have done that even if his wife had been kept against her will.

But either way, I agree that the strongest point would be that Mahadev would never have been born of an illicit union. So I too don't think these other sources are right.

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Janaki

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Posted: 13 years ago

#647

Originally posted by: Varnita.

because Raavan's and Lavanasur's moms, Kakasi and Kumbhinasi were real Sisters. making them Cousins. This is the reason Lavnasura wanted to revenge Ram for the Death of Ravana, Right?

Correct, but this was the story shown in AS Ramayan...is it actually written in Valmiki Ramayana like this? I was unsure because some of the stories ASR showed during Uttarkand were debatable.😳

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Varnita Khare

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Posted: 13 years ago

#648

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Correct, but this was the story shown in AS Ramayan...is it actually written in Valmiki Ramayana like this? I was unsure because some of the stories ASR showed during Uttarkand were debatable.😳

I know right! Some stories Says that Lavnasura's Mother Kumbhini was Sister of Raavan. So according to that Lavanasura was the Nephew of Raavana! 😕 What do U think can be correct?

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Janaki

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Posted: 13 years ago

#649

Originally posted by: Varnita.

I know right! Some stories Says that Lavnasura's Mother Kumbhini was Sister of Raavan. So according to that Lavanasura was the Nephew of Raavana! 😕 What do U think can be correct?

What does Valmiki say? He is the one that has Lavanasur's story because RCM ended after Shri Ram's Rajyabhishek and did not have Uttarkand.

Either way, he was definitely related to Ravan in some way, right? So ASR did not make up the fact that he was related to Ravan? But I don't think Kumbhinasi was Ravan's sister because only Shurpanakha was his sister...unless she was the sister of Khar and Dushan and was his cousin sister?

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Janaki

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Posted: 13 years ago

#650

Here is the story of Lavanasura as per wikipedia, but here it doesn't mention about him being related to Ravan.😳

Lavanasura

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Satrughna slays Lavana

In the Hindu epic Ramayana, Lavanasura was an Asura (demon) who was killed by Shatrughna, the youngest brother of Lord Rama.

During Rama's reign, while peace prevailed in most places, Lavanasura continued to torment the innocent and destroy many sacrifices of sages and terrify them in many ways. Many kings were defeated by him and they were all afraid. Therefore, one day the sages headed by sage Chavana (a descendent of sage Bhrigu) came all the way from Madhuvan to Lord Rama with a plea to protect them. Lavana was the son of king of Asuras named Madhu. Madhu was kind and compassionate to Brahmanas, very exalted, made personal friendships with Devas and therefore Asuras and Suras were at peace. He was so pleasing to demigods that on one occasion, Lord Shiva personally came and gave him an expansion of his own trident for self-protection. Madhu built a palace and named the place as Madhupuri (possibly Mathura now). Madhu had a son named Lavana who had the qualities opposite to those of his father.

Lavana was so evil that even as a child he would beat play mates, kill them, and eat them. Madhu handed everything over to his son including his trident and drowned himself in the ocean because of shame. The sages further described Lavana. There was a king named Mandatta who was a descendant in the dynasty of Iksvaku. Mandatta had dominated the whole planet and he became so proud that he wanted to rule heaven also. So he challenged Indra-either to turn over the kingdom to him or fight with him in battle. Indra said, "If you defeat all personalities on earth, then I will give you my kingdom." Lavanasura defeated Mandatta's army with the trident. Hearing all this, Lord Rama promised He would protect the sages and the kingdom of Madhupuri.

Bharata volunteered to fight against Lavanasura. Shatrughna expressed his wish to fight Lavanasura, wanting an opportunity to serve Rama, stating that Bharata had served Rama very well in the past. Then, all brothers agreed that Shatrughna could go. Shatrughna, apologising for violating the etiquette of speaking against the wish of his elder brother Bharata, then prepared to leave for the war. Rama then gave Shatrughna a deity of Varaha, which manifested from Lord Kapila's mind. When Lord Rama defeated Ravana, this deity was taken to Ayodhya. Shatrughna was then crowned as the king of Madhupuri. Shatrughna then left