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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: ShivangBuch

Oh yes chelli. I was enjoying. There is noway you can offend me. And I was also not justifying to you. I mean I didn't mean to defend myself offending you. I was just saying that our discussion had nothing specific to offend anyone. And even there was no point of popularity of RS shows vis a vis other shows in our discussion. The topic was whether there is any scope of value addition or not after RS shows and if there is, in which areas of production. I can't find any statement where relative popularity was compared. Absolute popularity of RS shows is evident and that can be discussed here since this is the thread of RS shows. It was just the question of need of new shows rather than how they are once they have already been produced. NDTV Ramayan is successful without doubt. Even this new one also can be attractive for new generation. I don't think we were deviating from the rules. Topic was broad and general about the need of remakes rather than quality of remakes already created. In fact I was very conscious (and still natural and fluent in thoughts) not to bring the actual quality aspect of new shows in the discussion (and I can't bring in fact since I haven't watched them to be able to comment either way). If after being so conscious, still we are breaking or even deviating to break the rules, then it would be very difficult to even absolutely appreciate RS shows in this RSPP and I would say rules are unnecessarily restrictive too much and over conscious (I mean howsoever perfect the remake is, themewise it will still be compilation of sources - same theme of old shows with perfect contents - with different technology and different actors so better would be to have a VR or RCM exclusive creation - that was the broad view. Now there is no better place to express this view than either this Ramayan 1987 thread or Ramayan 2012 thread). I haven't read your PM yet. I also haven't read your reply to Lola above. Now I will read your PM and will continue this discussion over there only. Let's keep this RSPP a fun and not get involved into rules now. Our discussion is now getting boring for Lola (which I always knew it would be but then I dared thinking that she would simply not read it 😆) is sufficient reason for me to discontinue it rather than worrying about deviating from the rules. Let's have fun.

I'm glad, as I don't want to offend you even in my dreams.🤗
Anyway, to conclude this discussion since Lola is getting bored😆, a Ramayan solely based on VR or RCM would be a good idea, I think, but in my honest opinion I think a serial based on many sources would be more interesting.😳 The reason is that there are parts of each source that really stand out in my mind (like the whole pushp vatika-swayamvar stories of RCM which VR does not have, or many of the Yudh Kand scenes which VR has but not RCM) and I'd like to see them all in a Ramayan serial. RSji did a beautiful job compiling different sources in his show, and I think though AS also used the same theme, he tried to be different from his father also so that the show was not a total remake. He showed a lot of background stories which we were familiar with in mytho movies but not shows, and he also showed scenes from VR and RCM itself which RSji could not show maybe because of time constraint, like that scene in Yudh Kand where Indrajit creates a maya Sita and chops off her head to distract the vanar sena while he prays to Nikumbila Devi. That story is from VR, isn't it? But many people do not know about it because it's not the sort of scene we typically see in mytho shows (which are family-oriented) because of its violence factor.😳 That's why I did not think ASR to be a waste of time. It did teach me a lot of stuff that was not shown in RSR, and if this new Zee Ramayan teaches me something now covered by any of the previous versions, I will appreciate it too. I just think that if a show is remade, it should be different from the previous versions and teach the audience something new. So far it's the same thing we've seen in RSR and ASR, but if down the line they show stories from other sources we never saw before, I'll be grateful to it. Otherwise I will think it was not needed because it has not attempted to be different.
Anyway, Lola is probably yawning right now so I'll chat with you next on this topic through PM.😉😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
to be quite honest, I enjoyed the whole Ramayan discussion 😳 I've just come back from stalking the last few pages and phew! I would definitely contibute my opinion but I think you guys have concluded the topic and plus, I don't want tomatoes thrown at me 😆
And I don't think I'm capable of sounding as intellectual as any of you and unfortunately I don't have enough time to type "essays" :( I have a huge series of Pride & Prejudice assignments due tomorrow and right now my only option is to use Sparknotes 😕 Anywho that is so off-topic 😆
but I haven't posted here in a while...Lola thank you for posting the videos! I watched the Lankeshwar Ravan intro video and the Mohini video. Thoroughly enjoyed the classical dance and the feeling associated with viewing a mytho. I haven't actually watched a mytho in forever! I quite miss it actually. And this has no religious significance whatsoever but I liked the costumes 😆 I noticed you made some sort of costume analysis/appreciation thread but I tuned in kind of late so yea...😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
Yes, this is lovely - sab apne lambe chaude paragraphs likho and then after boring me sufficiently, add a line pretending to worry about Lolaveri's boredom 🤣

Janu, I just want to respond to this real quick:

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

You have to admit that even with older guys, people do prefer if they have a muscular body and a trim figure, right? The looks of the older guys from 20 years ago doesn't attract people today, because regardless of age nowadays an actor has to have a hollywood type body. That's true even of Indian folk.


Trust me, it's difficult if not impossible to generalize like that about today's audience because there is SO much diversity, be it in television fandoms or w.r.t. film. The audience includes the desi telly fangirls you encounter here on IF (they may be louder about their preferences, but that doesn't mean that there are more of them than any other type of viewer), who take notice of a show only when it's headlined by well-built actors. It also scholarly, bookish crowds like the ones Shivang is referring to who might like a single-source Ramayan remake as a reference material or an annotated bibliography edition of the originals for research purpose. It even includes a sizeable share of absolute weirdos - believe it or not, the most popular ship from HP among the gals in my 'circle is Snape-Hermione 😕 So yeah, given the very different preferences I've noticed among girls otherwise belonging to the same demographics as myself (thanks in part to tumblr), I can't buy into that reasoning.

But that being said, IMHO if remakes manage to capture these different sectors of the audiences and plant the tiniest seed of devotion or even a passing interest in spirituality in their minds, then no matter how many such remakes are made and how flimsy I might consider their basis for differentiation, I will be grateful that they exist and appreciate whatever I can from them :) I know I've said that before, but everyone else is repeating themselves at the expense of my boredom so why not I 😆

AND NOW NEW TOPIC! I<3NISHI EXTRA FOR COMPLYING 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago

Here's a new sig by me guys, hope you like. :)

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: lola610

Yes, this is lovely - sab apne lambe chaude paragraphs likho and then after boring me sufficiently, add a line pretending to worry about Lolaveri's boredom 🤣

Janu, I just want to respond to this real quick:

Trust me, it's difficult if not impossible to generalize like that about today's audience because there is SO much diversity, be it in television fandoms or w.r.t. film. The audience includes the desi telly fangirls you encounter here on IF (they may be louder about their preferences, but that doesn't mean that there are more of them than any other type of viewer), who take notice of a show only when it's headlined by well-built actors. It also scholarly, bookish crowds like the ones Shivang is referring to who might like a single-source Ramayan remake as a reference material or an annotated bibliography edition of the originals for research purpose. It even includes a sizeable share of absolute weirdos - believe it or not, the most popular ship from HP among the gals in my 'circle is Snape-Hermione 😕 So yeah, given the very different preferences I've noticed among girls otherwise belonging to the same demographics as myself (thanks in part to tumblr), I can't buy into that reasoning.

But that being said, IMHO if remakes manage to capture these different sectors of the audiences and plant the tiniest seed of devotion or even a passing interest in spirituality in their minds, then no matter how many such remakes are made and how flimsy I might consider their basis for differentiation, I will be grateful that they exist and appreciate whatever I can from them :) I know I've said that before, but everyone else is repeating themselves at the expense of my boredom so why not I 😆

AND NOW NEW TOPIC! I<3NISHI EXTRA FOR COMPLYING 😆

That's what I'm here for honey, to do whatever possible to increase your boredom.
Anyway, I agree that it's hard to generalize today's audience, but I was just speaking from what I've seen online and in real life around me, but like you said fandom can be very random and weird nowadays, so it's best not to delve into that (especially Snape and Hermione).
And I agree with your last part. That's why I think the new mythos are not "unnecessary" nowadays. If they plant even an iota of devotion in the sort of people who would otherwise not spare mythos a second glance, then I will appreciate them and be happy that they exist.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: .anishaa.

to be quite honest, I enjoyed the whole Ramayan discussion 😳 I've just come back from stalking the last few pages and phew! I would definitely contibute my opinion but I think you guys have concluded the topic and plus, I don't want tomatoes thrown at me 😆
Ah, the joy of being feared 🤣 Nobody else seems to be worried about my stash of tomatoes so if you've got something to add, please don't hesitate to do so Nishipie... they're all rotten and squishy so they won't hurt anyway 😆

And I don't think I'm capable of sounding as intellectual as any of you
Cue *tomato* for even thinking that 😳
and unfortunately I don't have enough time to type "essays" :( I have a huge series of Pride & Prejudice assignments due tomorrow and right now my only option is to use Sparknotes 😕 Anywho that is so off-topic 😆
Janu can help you, she's the biggest Austen fan I know! Now I have to worry about her throwing tomatoes since I volunteered her for extra homework as if she doesn't have enough of her own :P
but I haven't posted here in a while...Lola thank you for posting the videos! I watched the Lankeshwar Ravan intro video and the Mohini video. Thoroughly enjoyed the classical dance and the feeling associated with viewing a mytho. I haven't actually watched a mytho in forever! I quite miss it actually. And this has no religious significance whatsoever but I liked the costumes 😆 I noticed you made some sort of costume analysis/appreciation thread but I tuned in kind of late so yea...😳
OMG join the costume thread PLEASE! Better late than never, and it's my favorite way to destress - which is all I feel like doing with the little time I have for IF now anyway, hence the lack of interest in deeper sociological/research-based discussions nowadays.

As for the costumes in these songs, I really love the green and yellow combo used on the Prem Satkaar Karo song from the Jarasandh-Banasur scene.

Musically, I think the rhythm of Raag Rang Chhayo is exceptional, as is the handling taans by Kavita Krishnamurthy and Hemlata. Vocally it's a more challenging feat than the other songs, IMO.

For overall the entertainment factor I like the Mohini Avtaar song; always had a weakness for dancing daanavs 😆

As for choreography... I'm kinda torn. Mohini avtaar song's not even in the running, because it's more about the acting than the movement so the steps aren't that complicated. Certain steps from the Prem Satkaar Karo song are really impressive; they do proper bridges and there's that one chakkar they do with their arms interlinked and every 2nd dancer is reclined - will cite the timing when I get a chance to log back in, but I always found that really cool. The choreography in general is more semi-classical, though, for that one - Lankeshwar Raajeshwar is a bit more authentic. Need Aishu to weigh in on this too. What do you think?

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: lola610

Yes, this is lovely - sab apne lambe chaude paragraphs likho and then after boring me sufficiently, add a line pretending to worry about Lolaveri's boredom 🤣
I know I've said that before, but everyone else is repeating themselves at the expense of my boredom so why not I 😆


Lolzzz. Maza aya. We enjoyed. Definitely I if not Janu. Ab tu bore hui to ye tera problem. That made us enjoy this even more. 🤣 By this way you are inducing us to write even lengthier paragraphs of debate to bore you until you order us to stop.😆 😆 Maza ata hai.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: lola610


and unfortunately I don't have enough time to type "essays" :( I have a huge series of Pride & Prejudice assignments due tomorrow and right now my only option is to use Sparknotes 😕 Anywho that is so off-topic 😆
Janu can help you, she's the biggest Austen fan I know! Now I have to worry about her throwing tomatoes since I volunteered her for extra homework as if she doesn't have enough of her own :P

Oh, I don't use tomatoes hun. I employ other methods of torture.
Leaving all jokes aside, I'll be happy to help you Anisha, because Lola's right. I am such a big Austennite that I even dream of P&P sometimes.🤣 I've read the book at least five times and watched the movie (the BBC adaptation of course, nothing else exists muahahaha) 20 times. I also read P&P fanfictions in my free time in-between IFing so trust me, I can help you in my sleep.😉
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: ShivangBuch


Lolzzz. Maza aya. We enjoyed. Definitely I if not Janu. Ab tu bore hui to ye tera problem. That made us enjoy this even more. 🤣 By this way you are inducing us to write even lengthier paragraphs of debate to bore you until you order us to stop.😆 😆 Maza ata hai.

Exactly! By replying back to us she is inducing us to write even lengthier paragraphs, so it is quite Lola's fault.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Janu, beautiful sig <3 The firey, glowy coloring is very appropriate for such a powerful scene, and I liked how you worked in the flower as well. Can't wait to see more.

But wait, you and Shivang better WATCH OUT 'cuz look what I found... look at you two now :P Muahahahaha...

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