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Posted: 12 years ago
Lol, I wrote an essay!😆 I guess that's the result of what happens when I post on IF while working on my college assignments.🤔😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
I m Thoroughly Enjoying ur Discussions 😉😆
RamKiSeeta thumbnail
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Posted: 12 years ago
^^So when will you be contributing?😛
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Posted: 12 years ago
^^Hehe U Both r Making quite Good points in ur Own, Didnt Feel Like Disturbing! 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Varnita.

I m Thoroughly Enjoying ur Discussions 😉😆



I'm not, they're boring the shit out of me 😈😆 j/k, everyone's entitled to their opinions and their presentation of others' opinions. I just think this thread would be a lot more fun if we actually talked about songs/scenes/memories/other tidbits of Ramanand Sagar's shows as the title implies rather than branching out into sociological analysis comparing them to one another or any other shows 🥱 But since that's what's going on, my two cents are as follows:
1) Forget remakes, TV itself is not a necessity 😆 When it is used as a medium to deliver knowledge of history, culture, and spirituality as it is with mythos, it gains value - then you may wish to call it a necessity. Some people can better absorb that knowledge from simple presentations, and that's great; some people require opulence and technical advancement to have fun, and that's fine too.
2) That point about the desire to see younger actors certainly doesn't apply to all of today's generation, and not even a majority of it. This humble soul is one of many, many, many of her contemporaries who gets attracted to older actors (not exclusively, but often enough)... I'm one of millions of girls around my age who hearts a 51 year old Robert Carlyle for his work in Once Upon a Time and watched Law and Order: SVU just for a 50+ Chris Meloni. Pierce Brosnan, George Clooney, and others have even bigger fandoms that include tons of gals young enough to be their daughters. On desi telly, Ram Kapoor and Ronit Roy have their share of fangirls in spite of their age, and in the film industry of course you've got Shah Rukh and Salman who for quite a few years now have looked every bit of their age. Attraction about more than just looks; for people like me it's a response to attitude even more so. If an actor gives off the right attitude for the character of Ram, then we we can identify and love his portrayal even if doesn't look the right age. 3) Thus, I think that though this may be a factor for a few viewers here and there, the majority of those who think of remakes as worthwhile think so because of the potential for by opulence and technological advancement.
4) In my case, as I've said before - the golden oldies were certainly enough for me. I have pretty much compartmentalized them in a separate part of my brain where scenes from them replay themselves and entertain me when I'm bored, lessons from them guide me whenever I need their example, and no comparisons or analyses of any sort occur. I still watch and enjoy all the new ones though, and I mean EVERY mytho that's ever been on tv while I've had the satellite dish receiver turned on - just because hearing these divine names and the familiar stories associated with them has become a habit that I'm happy to stick with when I have nothing else to do.
4) I'm bored of typing this so if anyone wants to respond to it, PM please... this thread is way more fun when it's about resolving some doubts/reliving the magic of individual moments from individual shows!
Edited by lola610 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
^^ I changed my mind, I don't want any PMs or scraps about this conversation... I've said all I had to say, please spare me 😆 J/k but seriously, I didn't intend to express judgment or offend on either of you so please forgive me if it came across that way and don't feel the need to defend your POV to me because I promise, I get it. It's just that I think there's more fun to be had if we step away from such broad analysis, at least for a while. So... new, narrower topic! Classical dance songs from both shows Watch, reminisce, discuss:

Lankeshwar Rajeshwar - Ravan's introduction:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02UlajiEmvQ[/YOUTUBE]

Jai Jai Jai Sugreev Kapishwar - Sugreev's coronation, about 3 mins into this:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1SgK1r5eZQ[/YOUTUBE]

Raag Rang Chhayo - Sugreev forgets his promise, a minute into this:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD4ocHiV5Zk[/YOUTUBE]

Swagatam Swagatam - SiyaRam's coronation:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xli44b5QX60[/YOUTUBE]

Mohini Avtaar song from SK:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7xzaU1DytU[/YOUTUBE]

Sneh Satkaar Karo - Jarasandh's welcome song for Banasur in SK, 3 mins in:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqr0YY15aAI[/YOUTUBE]
Edited by lola610 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
Janaki

But where the rules were broken????!!!!!!!!!😲 There was no comparison between shows (There was nothing specific about specific shows - it was just general). The discussion never went to how is NDTV Ramayan or how is recent Ramayan and what are their flaws etc. It was general topic (how far necessary is the remake of old Ramayan and how) with regard to what would or should be the real value addition in new mythos (in general in all) to attract me or people in general to watch. When I say I don't get attracted to see a new Ramayan (AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DON'T LIKE TO SEE WHEN I SEE IT - it just means that I have no motivation to initiate) if it is a compilation only and not based on a single source, where have I said that new Ramayan is not good to watch or not well produced? It simply means that any Ramayan (whether 2008 or 2012) adds technological value mainly and in terms of content, what is required is a single source that was the point. That's it. Where is the offense? I in fact saw criticism about starting of 2012 Ramayan in its thread (about its need). If 2008 was needed, 2012 is also fine. If this is not needed, then that was also not needed. That was the point. 20 years is the gap between one father and son generation but culturewise, generation changes every year every standard of school. And if I naturally or accidentally come across any episode of any of the two new Ramayans, I will enjoy it that you know.

Lola

I will see your fresh post now and will reply the long PM of Janaki now in PM but had to reply over here because I don't agree that any rule was broken. It was just a fine logical flow going on naturally and I was saying the fact what I am seeing around in Gujarat everywhere (not just the circle of my age but my elders & students also). And there is no specific topic for which this thread has been made so I and Janaki were just sharing our personal observations (what she has found around her and what I find around). It is general about the importance of RS shows in our life and we were just discussing about that.
Edited by ShivangBuch - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: lola610

So... new, narrower topic! Classical dance songs from both shows Watch, reminisce, discuss:

😊 To chalo karo shuru discussion. I am ready to play also antakshari of RS songs. Anyone interested?😉 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago

@Shivang,

I just thought we were deviating slightly from the rules (not necessarily breaking them) because we were comparing Ramayan's popularity today with other mythos, and I don't think that really should have come into the discussion in the first place since the main point was whether remakes were necessary or not. Anyway, like Lola said we both have made our POVs pretty clear so further discussion in this thread is not necessary. If you want we can discuss through PM.
Anyway, I'm not offended by what you said and hope the same is for you.😳 I thought we were having a healthy discussion and apologize if I came across as curt or rigid in my stance. I just don't have the same views as you when it comes to remakes, because I think them necessary for today's society, but again we all are free to have our own opinion so there is no point in discussing the same topic again and again when we clearly won't change our mind.
@Lola,
I know I was being broad when I said most of today's audience prefers younger actors, but I think it's different for soaps and movies to be honest. The medium for movies is different but you have to admit that even with older guys, people do prefer if they have a muscular body and a trim figure, right? The looks of the older guys from 20 years ago doesn't attract people today, because regardless of age nowadays an actor has to have a hollywood type body. That's true even of Indian folk. With soaps, while actors like Ram Kapoor may have their fair share of fans, the ones with the crazy and huge fan followings are the younger ones. Plus, I don't need to look elsewhere to prove how people do prize looks in mytho shows. Go to the Dkdm forum where half the forum members are drooling over Mohit Raina's body, and there are some who claim that they would never have watched the show if he wasn't so "hot". I know mythological shows shouldn't be geared only for those type of fans but also attract genuine religious folk, but I think if they also attract those type of fans and create in them a love for the puranas because of these actors, technology, and the opulence of the sets, then it will have achieved something. Otherwise, Shivang Anna is right. What is the need for the remakes? Remakes are only needed where the old ones have failed with the newer audience. Moreover, there is also a scope for showing more stories and information since they have more resources now.
Also, I think seeing the old classics from a young age really helps. You mention how RSR and other old mythos like Shri Krishna and Mahabharat are in a separate part of your brain because they are a part of your soul and all...unfortunately I cannot connect with that because I did not watch them since childhood.😭 I watched RSR only a year before ASR came out, and RSK afterwards as you know. I did not get to enjoy the type of childhood you all did growing up with these mythos ingrained in my mind, and this is something that really saddens me, because while I love RSR a looot, it's not separate in my mind from other mythos because I saw them all around the same time...first RSR, then ASR, then JSK, and so on...that's why maybe I find it easier to love and appreciate the newer mythos for making an effort to reach today's audience, and maybe that's also why I judge and analyze all the mythos more or less along the same line, finding at least some faults with each other. I don't have that type of deep connection with RSR that spans years of childhood, that makes me immune to its faults because of my deep devotion for it, and also because a child cannot differentiate such faults and just loves everything he or she sees). It really does make a difference to watch it during childhood and watch it during young adulthood.😔 While I do acknowledge that RSR was mostly flawless except for a few exceptions here and there, I cannot put it in a separate part of the brain like you when I watch new mythos. If I do compare them, I compare them all along the same line.
Anyway, I agree that this thread would be a lot more fun and addicting if we move away from such topics and actually treat it like an appreciation thread. I am all for the antaakshari game.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Oh yes chelli. I was enjoying. There is noway you can offend me. And I was also not justifying to you. I mean I didn't mean to defend myself offending you. I was just saying that our discussion had nothing specific to offend anyone. And even there was no point of popularity of RS shows vis a vis other shows in our discussion. The topic was whether there is any scope of value addition or not after RS shows and if there is, in which areas of production. I can't find any statement where relative popularity was compared. Absolute popularity of RS shows is evident and that can be discussed here since this is the thread of RS shows. It was just the question of need of new shows rather than how they are once they have already been produced. NDTV Ramayan is successful without doubt. Even this new one also can be attractive for new generation. I don't think we were deviating from the rules. Topic was broad and general about the need of remakes rather than quality of remakes already created. In fact I was very conscious (and still natural and fluent in thoughts) not to bring the actual quality aspect of new shows in the discussion (and I can't bring in fact since I haven't watched them to be able to comment either way). If after being so conscious, still we are breaking or even deviating to break the rules, then it would be very difficult to even absolutely appreciate RS shows in this RSPP and I would say rules are unnecessarily restrictive too much and over conscious (I mean howsoever perfect the remake is, themewise it will still be compilation of sources - same theme of old shows with perfect contents - with different technology and different actors so better would be to have a VR or RCM exclusive creation - that was the broad view. Now there is no better place to express this view than either this Ramayan 1987 thread or Ramayan 2012 thread). I haven't read your PM yet. I also haven't read your reply to Lola above. Now I will read your PM and will continue this discussion over there only. Let's keep this RSPP a fun and not get involved into rules now. Our discussion is now getting boring for Lola (which I always knew it would be but then I dared thinking that she would simply not read it 😆) is sufficient reason for me to discontinue it rather than worrying about deviating from the rules. Let's have fun.
Edited by ShivangBuch - 12 years ago

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