{ Ramanand Sagar's Ramayan & Shri Krishna AT#1 } - Page 39

Hey guys, here's a sig I made of our pre-Sundar Kand scene of Hanuman, Angad, and Jambwant from Ramayan, using pics I recently posted in the picture gallery.⭐️ (hint: meaning if you haven't looked at them now, you should, hehe😉.) Both versions are the same but with slightly different borders. Would really appreciate if someone can let me know which is better to post in my shop.😳

Originally posted by: ShivangBuch

Ramayan had only 6-7 Ramayan sources. SK had plenty. 20-30 may be. And that's alright what RS did. He compiled all sources because he wanted to produce Ramayan and not Tulasi Ramayan or Valmiki Ramayan. How Ramayan has influence over minds of people of different parts of the country. But Ramayans which were produced later on should have been only based on single source because otherwise you are not adding any value. Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean here. If RSji used many sources to make Ramayan (which I appreciate and agree with btw, since like you said it portrays the beliefs of people all over India), why can't new mytho writers also do that? The aim remains the same, right? Plus, if someone sticks to just one source so many people would always have a problem with it, because everyone beliefs differently and though VR and RCM are the main sources for anyone, other sources are also close to viewers depending on their own region.

That kalp theory we have always been agreeing upon so there is no different thinking over here. I didn't know that it is explicitly specified in the sources that Chhaya Sita was only an illusion and that's why I was only interpreting it scientifically in my own way. If it was only an illusion created, then it was all drama not just by her but also by Ramji in pain of separation (in fact then Sita was also not Sita but Ram only creating illusion). That's true. Maybe ultimately the whole thing was just a drama on both sides, but when I think of it like that I find something lacking in the epic because I like to think of it as a purana with emotions. Ramayana envokes so many emotions in me and when I think that Ram and Sita never suffered the pain of separation, I feel kind of...I don't know, like I cannot learn anything from the epic. I know that's a wrong way of thinking and it's not true, but I'm human so I'd like to think that Ram and Sita, as the human forms of God, also felt and behaved like humans.😳

😊 Here we clearly differ. I am fully satisfied with Ramayan without LavKush kand or rather don't want the latter and feel the former complete. I am happy to see the reference of LavKush in just one choupai of Tulasidas Uttarkand.😉 Lol, that's okay. Not many actually like the Luv Kush portion of Ramayan, maybe because it's so painful.😳

Originally posted by: lola610

Primero - Vikram aur Betaal was produced by RS, but directed by Prem Sagar and Anand Sagar. It's on IMDB and they mentioned it in the interviews during the Ramayan Silver Jubilee media coverage. RS had already conceived of Ramayan and his sons shortlisted several potential cast members; RS had them make Vikram aur Betaal to test them out and see 1) how the audience responds to them and b) whether or not they look right in period costumes. That's an interesting way of picking the cast. I wonder then how Arun Govil got the role of Shri Ram? He wasn't very Ram-ish as Raja Vikramaditya. He was good, but did not seem like Ram to me in that show, you know? I guess maybe that's why he was asked to play Lakshman first, but I'm glad he wasn't because Sunilji was made for that role. :) Similarly Subhash Sagar and Anand Sagar were responsible for Alif Laila, (which I personally preferred over Alif Laila based on the few episodes I saw of each, only because I was more familiar with the stories). Just FYI :) What's Alif Laila about anyway? Is it a historical story like Vikram aur Betaal?

Segundo - Y'all came up with some interesting points in exploring the differences between Ramayan and SK, but still, I can honestly say that if I consider only pre-leap SK, I cannot rank the two in terms of my preference even if I try 😕 I can't either...it's just that in certain areas, one comes out superior to the other. Ramayan is superior in terms of storyline, whereas SK is superior in terms of presentation. As for authenticity, I think they both are more or less equal. Yeah, I can see the differences - RSR had smoother and more consistent storytelling; SK had slightly better special effects and backgrounds for heaven scenes; RSR's soundtrack tended to have less chorus singing than SK because SK gave more glimpses of the heavens; and SK had to rely on more interpolation because there was a need to create continuity but that continuity wasn't there in the source material. In spite of these differences, I just can't bring myself to choose one. RSR's special effects and lack of fluff don't bother me, and neither do SK's various flaws because as soon as I watch either, the same atmosphere of devotion and sense of being literally transported into another place and time so wholly overtake me that I all these differences and potential flaws just seem to evaporate into thin air. The flaws don't both me much either (except when the lack of special effects are blatantly obvious, lol), it's just that when we compare the two shows with each other, they become more evident.

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Hi Shivang Anna!🤗 How are you? Sorry I forgot all about our discussion, but I guess we were pretty much done, right?😆

Originally posted by: ShivangBuch

I agree that too many Ramayans are not needed every 4-5 years, but I think one per generation is a good idea, because no matter how much we may want, the youth of each generation cannot be attracted to a television show of the previous generation. There may be some people here and there (like us) who will still love it, but the majority of youth cannot connect with a presentation that differs from what they are used to. The original Ramayan was perfect for its generation but people today find faults with it because they do not like how older actors were chosen for most of the characters. We can defend such a stance of course, but I remember this one point someone once made some time back. People 30+ were considered "young" in the 80s, whereas now in the 21st century, "young" has been redefined as being 20+. People cannot accept a Ram who is 30+ nowadays because the definition of youth has changed. I am not saying I believe this but this is what the mass expectations are now.

Likewise, 20 years from now young may be redfined yet again to being 15+, and Gurmeet will be termed as being too "old" to play Ram by the next generation. The important thing is that youth learn about Ramayan and connect with the Gods to receive devotion, so if another Ramayan is made 20 years from now, I won't complain as long as it achieves its purpose. That's why I think the 1986 Ramayan was necessary for its time, the 2008 one was necessary was today's generation, and another 20 years from now when technology will have changed drastically even more, another Ramayan may very well be necessary because people won't be able to connect with either the 1986 or 2008 ones. As for the 2012 one coming now, I do think it's unnecessary simply because today's generation don't need 2 Ramayans, but if it'll make people who haven't watched any of the previous versions watch and become devoted to the epic, then i will be happy.😊 I just don't think one Ramayan is enough for every generation. It'll only retain its older audience but won't make newer audience attracted to it.

As for what each Ramayan should show, i'm open to everything. If a Ramayan wishes to follow only Valmiki or Ramcharitmanas strictly, I won't mind but if it wishes to incorporate 5-7 sources like RSR and ASR, I don't mind that either as long as the flow of the story is maintained and the characterizations are accurate.

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