Is Adhithya Kumar Tripathi is class conscious - Page 5

Originally posted by: _Seera_

Chinta i know you have watched all...

u remember when malini returned her ring and Aaditya asking imlie does it bother you.. her stand has always been Malini's presence doesnt bother me.. i will make my place on my own merit..

she even proved the same by getting family accepting her... but suddenly she has a change of heart..

yes she has cried, she has suffered but it has not been a one way street..

I agree with your last point Seera ji, but she didn't have a change of heart IMO. She started fighting after realizing that M is after Adi. tab tak she was fine with her staying in the house, in fact, she agreed with Adi's decision of bringing M home.

Originally posted by: Whatever765

Chinta yaar main kuch bolun..sorry for interrupting..

So this is the episode before the kaand, before video deletion- right? So until then had Imlie proved enough or was there anything very apparent that the Mal had done? Mal ne baad mein sasta nashe wala mal milaya na? Ok having said, until then what was so incorrect in that statement, wasn't she his 7 year old friend, who he ended up marrying too and then realized he does not love her hence made sure to maintain all limits until he got to the point of revealing it to her? The man is always going to have this guilt or emotional baggage or whatever you wanna call it with his relation with Malini. Let's all face it, she was made a complete vamp just so at some point AKT feels guilt free of what he ever did to Malini. Imlie is already free of that guilt. Just because Imlie was openly challenged by Malini did she realize how vile that lady is...until then, she was even touching her feet and demanding AKT to go spend the rest of your life with her because she is so much better than her!

We all are frustrated, but AKT 's stance with Malini is not because he is a classist, he doing so because the man knows he has wronged her and he cannot just throw a 7 year old relation out of the window..atleast the thought process till this episode...called a basic lihaaz!

And I will like to add- AKT is so strong in his belief of love for Imlie...usko ghanta farak padta hai Malini ke hone na hone se...but kya kare banda does have good manners...

Whatever ji, I agree that Imlie is responsible too, I listed out all her mistakes in Aarti ji's thread about Imlie's contribution to this mess.

There would be nothing wrong with his statement if M was just a normal friend. But this woman is the friend whom he married after marrying Imlie and showed his PDA in front of Imlie. Even he noticed that Imlie felt uncomfortable with this after the bridge collapse incident. He also realized that his relationship with M is getting damaged because of Imlie staying with them and hence the pre pd3 convo. Malini was wronged and so was Imlie, but the man who didn't stop her when Imlie said she'll leave wouldn't let M leave even though his now wife is not comfortable with her stay.

Thank you for opening this thread MMji and for asking for my POV, so here it is

I don't know where to start cuz I have a lot in mind and want to throw a few points out there without offending any of our friends here.

So first things first, I do believe he does possess an unconscious class bias, and this is not an insult to AKT in any way. I'm merely pointing out what many of us, consciously or unconsciously, chose to ignore because of the fact that Adi accepted Imlie despite her social status and the plethora of good things he had done for her.

I'll explain my broader POV and then give you some specific examples that support it.

Sadly, this prejudice is not new nor is it limited to this show or a few characters in it. Class [includes caste in most cases] prejudice is ingrained in our society for a very very long time. It is everywhere and every human tends to show it at some point or the other in their life. One has to be aware of their own prejudices to fight them off. A single person cannot be blamed for this unless it overpowers their common sense [Ex: Mrs.C] cuz it is a social evil that is actually taught at home starting at a very young age that cannot be erased easily.

Adi and the Ts are no exception when it comes to this unconscious classism - the Ts loved Imlie as their maid and as an adopted daughter. But did that acceptance make them give her a room and all the luxuries of a Tripathi daughter? No, cuz she was still a maid and they loved her because she was a maid and that love vanished when they got to know that she is married to Adi. The first reason Aparna stated for her disbelief that Adi is married to Imlie is that she is a 'naukraani' and that HER son couldn't marry a naukraani.

While the Ts were busy loving Imlie earlier, Adi didn't miss a chance to remind her of her status - "apni jagah mat bhulna", "family ki naukraani hain", "joothe mein phasey kankad", "mitti not chandan" [albeit for his self-assurance, but these words were what he chose to term her as] and "kya socha? muh maange rakam dedenge?" "ye tumhare haq ke paise hain", "chinta mat karna aur bhi bhejte rahenge". Let's not forget that he was also the one who tagged her a thief in PD because she's a village girl - just like his family did in the beginning regd. the jewelry and later regd. their own son after the truth-revelation [He is a Tripathi after all, and if you noticed, amma bitwa are same same in many aspects].

He was the one who comfortably forgot about her studies even after M reminded him until he himself realized how talented she is because SK telling him about Imlie's sapna of aage badhna wasn't convincing enough - he didn't believe that a village girl like Imlie could actually achieve her dreams.

He was quicker than the Ts to realize his mistakes and rectify them, but this doesn't make his prejudice vanish.

It resurfaces every now and then. Some of those instances are

• When he wouldn't bash M the way he bashed the warden for questioning Imlie's character,
• When he wouldn't give benefit of the doubt to Imlie when she says M has wrong intentions [it is not about trusting M, it is about him considering the possibility that Imlie could be right and he couldn't consider it],
  
• When he wouldn't ask M for the truth one last time after Imlie's accusations but asks Imlie after M accuses her,
  
• When he wouldn't let M go to jail despite the video evidence but would want to send SK to jail despite the eye-witness telling that he didn't shoot.
• When he wouldn't question AC one last time after her confessing to drugging him despite Imlie claiming otherwise,
  
• When he wouldn't file a case on AC saying her going or not going to jail doesn't make a difference but would want SK behind the bars saying he was the culprit - doesn't matter who instigated him.

Not to keep an account of his wrongdoings but to show you where I found it in his actions. These were some of my observations, still not able to gather all my thoughts but let's call it a day. So this is my POV.

Originally posted by: Chintapandu

Whatever ji, I agree that Imlie is responsible too, I listed out all her mistakes in Aarti ji's thread about Imlie's contribution to this mess.

There would be nothing wrong with his statement if M was just a normal friend. But this woman is the friend whom he married after marrying Imlie and showed his PDA in front of Imlie. Even he noticed that Imlie felt uncomfortable with this after the bridge collapse incident. He also realized that his relationship with M is getting damaged because of Imlie staying with them and hence the pre pd3 convo. Malini was wronged and so was Imlie, but the man who didn't stop her when Imlie said she'll leave wouldn't let M leave even though his now wife is not comfortable with her stay.

Chinta all pre PD3 episodes where he has done PDA with Malini was never for imlie it was always for himself and Malini.. to keep Malini in dark and to keep himself from feeling anything for imlie..

Imlie felt uncomfortable when she started having feelings for him.. till then she was completely fine with Him marrying and having a life with Malini…

Pre-PD3 convo was not about His relationship with Malini it was all about his changing feeling for Imlie.. even in that conversation he keeps saying I want you to know I am not your husband.. you need your family, your husband.. words may be wrong but unlined love/ care / respect can’t be ignored.. since she was shot he has been on the right side of her betterment..

She on the other hand refused to let him tell the truth to Family and even Malini, she would let him file for divorce because his love for her was daya.. she wouldn’t move on with him unless KC was actual person.. she wouldn’t let the relationship be official till Malini actually is happy with KC. She wanted to believe she is a home wrecker when Decs truth came out.. she wanted to leave him even then when family wouldn’t accept her.. she was ready to take care of chotu Cos malini wouldn’t .. she was ok to stay with Malini even after knowing her intentions and be coparent to the baby..

All this is not to prove who is right or wrong.. all this just to say yes he has made mistakes but she had too.. this is not who made more mistakes it’s only why a relationship is broken.. we should stop treating her like a victim.. she never treated herself as that but she definitely has some escapist tendencies like aditya which need to be addressed just like his geheri dosti

Originally posted by: Chintapandu

Whatever ji, I agree that Imlie is responsible too, I listed out all her mistakes in Aarti ji's thread about Imlie's contribution to this mess.

There would be nothing wrong with his statement if M was just a normal friend. But this woman is the friend whom he married after marrying Imlie and showed his PDA in front of Imlie. Even he noticed that Imlie felt uncomfortable with this after the bridge collapse incident. He also realized that his relationship with M is getting damaged because of Imlie staying with them and hence the pre pd3 convo. Malini was wronged and so was Imlie, but the man who didn't stop her when Imlie said she'll leave wouldn't let M leave even though his now wife is not comfortable with her stay.

Zimmedari you see...the choice of choosing based off the gravity of situation. When Imlie said she will leave, had the matters of heart reached his head? No! Yet the dude was so restless that in that injured state he did go to the bus stop not knowing what freaking mess he is gonna stir up...like I said, AKT should have never followed his heart...par fir show bhi nahi milta, VM's bhi nahi...and log Gash ki supremacy ka intezaar bhi nahi karte..It makes me literally laugh, that the track was meant for Imlie to show how she is breaking norms and flying high, how there is some new people to take our mind off....but all discussions, tweets, rantings are ending on- AKT...when, how, what will his redemption look like...300 episode se toh uski galtiyan hi gin rahe hain....but everyone is literally waiting for AKT to realize! I digress..coming back to Imlie leaving- The next time Imlie left was after the Janmashtmi kaand, he tried stopping her by all means but now he was the victim...Malini's sinner was getting punished! Here Aparna Ma ne aake kasam de di!

Three weeks back, Imlie left he did not stop her and rightly so- that has to be the ugliest side of both...who would even want to talk after such a fight. In their heads both of them a right, she trying to prove time and again about Malini and him trying to make her understand, that their love is enough. The way they were shouting made it look like they were possessed...

again after she was out of sight,,,he did run out to look for her...ghar se 1km ki doori pe bhi nahi gaya woh alag baat hai....but if you cannot see how contrived those couple of episodes were...I will not get into that discussion here.

As for Imlie being uncomfortable with the touches- AKT equally looked as if he would squirm and rather die atleast after PD3...again his stand is I am responsible for this baby, what if this lady under the burden of emotional instability harms herself and baby again...Now I do agree he should have taken some action when Imlie blatantly told him she is uncomfortable and he did not...well 'sinner' hai- iske khaate mein aur ek sin.- even though we know nothing that has transpired he did willingly...but ok...

As for before PD3- arre did he know he was falling in love with Imlie or did he know Imlie was in love with him?

We all know where this is heading...for me Adi and Imlie are two entities now, to the point where they literally trashed the very basis of their relationship...why am i still clinging on- to see one loop closure- Malini's truth reveal...baki jo karna hai karen- Adilie kare, Arylie kare.- Every man is always going to be toxic for Imlie - I manifest her being alone atleast until she is mature enough...oh wait she is...no she isnt...I dunno anymore! Given her persona- no man is ever gonna be good for her.

Again just my perspective all of the above....I still stand by- for a relationship to work or not- both the people involved are responsible. The brunt maybe taken by one, but the reason is not just one individual!

Good job Chinta ji. Very valid points raised by you.

Very well said. The things which attracts any man to Imlie will be the things which will create problems for them.

Originally posted by: Chintapandu

Thank you for opening this thread MMji and for asking for my POV, so here it is

I don't know where to start cuz I have a lot in mind and want to throw a few points out there without offending any of our friends here.

So first things first, I do believe he does possess an unconscious class bias, and this is not an insult to AKT in any way. I'm merely pointing out what many of us, consciously or unconsciously, chose to ignore because of the fact that Adi accepted Imlie despite her social status and the plethora of good things he had done for her.

I'll explain my broader POV and then give you some specific examples that support it.

Sadly, this prejudice is not new nor is it limited to this show or a few characters in it. Class [includes caste in most cases] prejudice is ingrained in our society for a very very long time. It is everywhere and every human tends to show it at some point or the other in their life. One has to be aware of their own prejudices to fight them off. A single person cannot be blamed for this unless it overpowers their common sense [Ex: Mrs.C] cuz it is a social evil that is actually taught at home starting at a very young age that cannot be erased easily.

Adi and the Ts are no exception when it comes to this unconscious classism - the Ts loved Imlie as their maid and as an adopted daughter. But did that acceptance make them give her a room and all the luxuries of a Tripathi daughter? No, cuz she was still a maid and they loved her because she was a maid and that love vanished when they got to know that she is married to Adi. The first reason Aparna stated for her disbelief that Adi is married to Imlie is that she is a 'naukraani' and that HER son couldn't marry a naukraani.

While the Ts were busy loving Imlie earlier, Adi didn't miss a chance to remind her of her status - "apni jagah mat bhulna", "family ki naukraani hain", "joothe mein phasey kankad", "mitti not chandan" [albeit for his self-assurance, but these words were what he chose to term her as] and "kya socha? muh maange rakam dedenge?" "ye tumhare haq ke paise hain", "chinta mat karna aur bhi bhejte rahenge". Let's not forget that he was also the one who tagged her a thief in PD because she's a village girl - just like his family did in the beginning regd. the jewelry and later regd. their own son after the truth-revelation [He is a Tripathi after all, and if you noticed, amma bitwa are same same in many aspects].

He was the one who comfortably forgot about her studies even after M reminded him until he himself realized how talented she is because SK telling him about Imlie's sapna of aage badhna wasn't convincing enough - he didn't believe that a village girl like Imlie could actually achieve her dreams.

He was quicker than the Ts to realize his mistakes and rectify them, but this doesn't make his prejudice vanish.

It resurfaces every now and then. Some of those instances are

• When he wouldn't bash M the way he bashed the warden for questioning Imlie's character,
• When he wouldn't give benefit of the doubt to Imlie when she says M has wrong intentions [it is not about trusting M, it is about him considering the possibility that Imlie could be right and he couldn't consider it],
  
• When he wouldn't ask M for the truth one last time after Imlie's accusations but asks Imlie after M accuses her,
  
• When he wouldn't let M go to jail despite the video evidence but would want to send SK to jail despite the eye-witness telling that he didn't shoot.
• When he wouldn't question AC one last time after her confessing to drugging him despite Imlie claiming otherwise,
  
• When he wouldn't file a case on AC saying her going or not going to jail doesn't make a difference but would want SK behind the bars saying he was the culprit - doesn't matter who instigated him.

Not to keep an account of his wrongdoings but to show you where I found it in his actions. These were some of my observations, still not able to gather all my thoughts but let's call it a day. So this is my POV.

t resurfaces every now and then. Some of those instances are

• When he wouldn't bash M the way he bashed the warden for questioning Imlie's character, - Warden clubbed imlie in group of people who take advantage of people and move from one person to another... Malini till date has not accused imlie of being characterless.. she ahs always worded it in a way showing imlie is just naive girl who might be influenced by money. When she did direct accused Imlie of coming between husband n wife he did stand up against her and said nope imlie wont do that.
• When he wouldn't give benefit of the doubt to Imlie when she says M has wrong intentions [it is not about trusting M, it is about him considering the possibility that Imlie could be right and he couldn't consider it] He did.. he said lets consider you are right.. and yes malini wants to come in between us but i am telling you just because she wants she cant come in between and what is yours will always be yours.. so him not giving Imlie benefit of doubt did not happen.. his mistake is thinking the past will remain in past..
  
• When he wouldn't ask M for the truth one last time after Imlie's accusations but asks Imlie after M accuses her, He asked spoke to malini before he spoke to imlie.. what would he say to Malini that you said Imlie fired on you.. can you repeat it? He asked Imlie cos Imlie made SK run... if she had not done it Aditya wouldn't doubt Imlie or her love for SK
  
• When he wouldn't let M go to jail despite the video evidence but would want to send SK to jail despite the eye-witness telling that he didn't shoot. His simple explanation is Malini is pregnant.. he was ok to go to court and let the video play and whatever outcome.. That eye witness we are talking about is Imle.. and again Imlie made Sk run when he had actually shot Aditya..
• When he wouldn't question AC one last time after her confessing to drugging him despite Imlie claiming otherwise Time and again AC has proven that she can go to any extent to trouble aditya.. she sent the entire tripathi khandan to jail what was so unbelievable for anyone that AC would do something like this.. he didnt stop police from arresting her not he helped malini to get AC out..
  
• When he wouldn't file a case on AC saying her going or not going to jail doesn't make a difference but would want SK behind the bars saying he was the culprit - doesn't matter who instigated him. Filing case on AC was done by imlie and again he didnt stop her or KC from taking the legal action.. as far as Sk is concerned.. SK shot aditya.. even after seeing that aditya was ready to be buried alive for doing wrong to imlie..

All the point you mentioned Chinta are only related to Malini and AC which do have valid explanations.. a subconscious classism need a lot more than that.. he needs to show teh traits where he has purposefully put down people when it was not needed...

We agree to disagree and I respect your opinion.. just that there are two sides to coin and we should try to see both before forming a judgement..

Great points made by all on the classist argument. In my opinion, there is no basis to declare Adi a man with that mentality at all.

As far as the flak that Adi is getting goes, I just want to add that at times I feel that we are all so exhausted with MC's screen space that Adi, and before that even Imlie, have become a sort of outlet for our frustrations. The fact that MC has yet to answer and pay for any of her crimes because of Adi and Imlie's blatant blindness and/or oversight has admittedly become painful to comprehend and watch.

See, we as the viewers have always known MC's strengths and weaknesses. We have witnessed all her manipulations and we've had to sit through and watch every revolting thing she has done in the name of 'love'. 🤢 Adi and Imlie, however, have gone through and are still going through their own learning curves with respect to recognizing MC's true nature and dealing with her presence in their lives. There have been two major phases after Adi realized his love for Imlie:

Phase 1: Imlie's DD jaap and Adi seeing through and addressing MC's attitude. Imlie's DD jaap had grated on our nerves to the extent that there were pages and pages written about how ridiculous Imlie is being trying to be sacrificial first and later ridiculous, wanting MC to settle down before moving ahead with Adi. I think we can all agree that Adi being steadfast in his love for Imlie is really what got them through this phase and lent Imlie the strength she needed to overcome her guilt. If he had backed down then, they wouldn't have ever taken their relationship forward. During this period Adi observed and even called out MC's uncalled for behavior multiple times. He made it absolutely clear he was moving on with Imlie while trying to be as understanding towards MC's predicament as possible. He was hailed for his efforts then and rightly so.

Phase 2: Adi burying his head in the sand and Imlie recognizing MC's duplicity. This is where the tables have turned. Adi saw MC accepting his and Imlie's marriage with grace and felt a sense of combined guilt and gratitude that still overshadows his perception of the truth right before him. Imlie, on the other hand, grew more settled into her marriage after the truth reveal. Adi's unconditional support helped deepen her faith in their relationship, and MC threatening that was really what helped her recognize MC's manipulations post the second 'suicide' attempt. Imlie was able to roll with this realization with ease and tried to get Adi on the same page, but Adi's now complacent self just wasn't and still isn't there anymore.

Neither Adi nor Imlie are completely wrong or completely right here. As many of you have pointed out, they are a victim of their circumstances, MC's deceit and, most importantly, their own individual weaknesses. Neither can be fully blamed, but neither are the two completely blameless for bringing their relationship to this juncture.

Tagging a few but please feel free to reply. I would love to hear your thoughts 😊

Originally posted by: _Seera_

yes.. we all agree to disagree on opinions...

My only suggestion will be dont discount 300 episodes... mistakes are one thing... calling him unfair / toxic is just not needed.. If he is responsible for this mess then so is Imlie..

If she was ready put their relationship on line.. then so was he... they r equally strong headed people and they both need to learn to see world from others perspective..

Seeraji, That is the whole problem that I don't see any connect in his behavior in first 271 episodes and now. And not because he deleted the video.

Imlie was always an exception for him. Man who never stood for his and his families respect fought AC.MC for Imlie's respect when he considered Imlie nothing. He was able to break the vicious circle of MC's guilt trips for Imlie. I just don't see the same Aditya.

Anyways thats just how I see things. Lets just respectfully agree to disagree on this.