Finally a push back on the guilt trips - Page 19

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I would so love for this to be pointed out one day how easily they are able to talk to each other about anything....lol there needs to be a correction of the misconception that two people arguing means they dislike each other or don't have a connection.....Adi-Imlie's disagreements and fights actually reflect an ease with each other that somehow is totally missed by the simple minded people they are surrounded by .....all of whom think that no jhagda means perfect life

Word on the above.... I really want the T's to see their connection, how she handles him, how they navigate through any issue even when they are arguing or talking over each other. How she can understand him without him being clear and how he can do the same without she saying the word... Only then they will know what a perfect relationship is and whose is more perfect.

On a separate note, Him understanding her was one of the things that was a surprise for me. When Imlie saw him with Malini and he thought about Imlie being upset, I was thinking ki Aditya is being delusional, Imlie ko koi farak nahi padta... but both the times, usse farak pada and that changed my thinking ki he does get her. He also knows how to navigate around her own fundas of "others first" to make her to do things that are good and priority for her and this is something that need to be witnessed to understand the connection.

Rupi Di will be the first one to see the contrast in T house..😊

Originally posted by: pamk06

Word on the above.... I really want the T's to see their connection, how she handles him, how they navigate through any issue even when they are arguing or talking over each other. How she can understand him without him being clear and how he can do the same without she saying the word... Only then they will know what a perfect relationship is and whose is more perfect.

On a separate note, Him understanding her was one of the things that was a surprise for me. When Imlie saw him with Malini and he thought about Imlie being upset, I was thinking ki Aditya is being delusional, Imlie ko koi farak nahi padta... but both the times, usse farak pada and that changed my thinking ki he does get her. He also knows how to navigate around her own fundas of "others first" to make her to do things that are good and priority for her and this is something that need to be witnessed to understand the connection.

Rupi Di will be the first one to see the contrast in T house..😊

Oh yes, he absolutely understands her more than she admits and very much knows how to break through her stubborn mode in his own way😆

As Rupi also pointed out yesterday, Imlie will never admit it even if she feels hurt or is feeling kamzor.....and in the case of Malini toh Adi knows more than anyone else ki Imlie will never admit if she's feeling hurt cuz of her mega-guilt over anything related to Malini....so he becomes the one to address the truth, address her hurt cuz he realizes its important to talk through rather than letting presumptions fester.....also because he didn't give her the truth for so long and let her feel hurt over seeing him with someone else....yeah he didn't do it deliberately but baat toh hui na.

He steps up for her cuz he knows she will never ask for anything and he is determined to not let that be the cause of her not getting her due - whether its in her education or her rights in his life. Isiliye he's relentless and tireless in prodding her to not let her studies suffer no matter what else is going on....cuz he also knows ki Imlie maanegi nahin that she would be miserable if she was away from him😆....but he still lets her say her piece each time she says ki she's going to leave😆.

Bottom line is that he knows she loves him....yes woh insecurity rehti hai Adi mein that she may leave him again😆....but he does know that she loves him and it hurts him that she may think he's still with Malini.....isliye even though Imlie doesn't ask for clarifications, he sees the hurt on her face and clarifies it for both their sakes😆.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: Exactly. They made that distinction pretty clear in the last scene yesterday too....Adi breathed a sigh of relief on hearing that Malini is out of danger, but his focus remained on feeling unworthy and the cause of all this deteriorating so much. There was no sense of some latent feelings surging to the surface out of guilt....I'd thought he might be able to manage pity for her but lagta hai woh bhi nahin ho paa raha.....lol the truth really is like suraj for Adi ab I guess....it has made so many things crystal clear for him, he cannot go back to a mirage even if he wanted to out of sympathy.

His truth is still Imlie, he wants to reveal that to Malini and then brace himself for whatever comes after that.....

As for Imlie....lol yes, in her own way, she is just as steadfast on her stance as Adi is.....she will not give up her sindoor in the face of any storms, any guilt trips now. They both have their own ways of holding on to the faith in their relationship and that will continue to prevail.

If this suicide drama couldn't hilaao them into giving up on their faith, toh aage bhi humaare Adi-Imlie kar lenge manage😆. Yes they still won't be able to be properly together, yes there will still be distance but I guess the whole point is that FAITH is greater than all these things....it can survive every storm and all the Didi jaap in the world :P

+1 and especially to faith being bigger than everything else.

@bold - and isn’t that another great aspect they have shown in Aditya? The undeterred conviction to set things right once he realized that Imlie is his appropriate partner. He always displayed it even in the beginning when his loyalty was to Malini but subconsciously Imlie overtook pretty much everything that actually mattered. Does not wipe out the wrong he did with marrying a second time but is a great step towards atonement.

Didi aur AC try karti reh jaayengi bas. There is no breaking this unit whether they are “together together” or not.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: 🤣🤣 Still holds the record for one of the weirdest things he did in PDA mode😆

Waise since Rupi di ab jaag gayi hain, can they PLEASE revisit her V-day convo with Imlie? Matlab come on, man....the whole situation is too strong a parallel not to revisit....it will show Rupi's evolution as a person if she realizes what Imlie told her that day is just as valid for Malini too.

Re: appearances....lol waise speaking of him commenting on Imlie's appearance at the engagement.....AGAIN, can we take a moment to pause here and note that the guy was getting engaged to someone else and appearance yeh IMLIE ki notice kar raha tha? 🤣.....Sure, his comment was the usual cranky wala but fact remains ki shaadi kisi aur se ho rahi thi and focus tab bhi Imlie pe hi tha.....LOL this delusional bailbuddhi....tab dimaag lagaa leta ki Imlie pe kyun rehta hai iska dhyaan toh yeh sab mess nahin failaata😆......

Re Rupali: it would be great if they could do that. Her path has actually been pretty progressive - from feeling powerless in the beginning for having to live at her parents’ to feeling slightly hopeful after becoming self-reliant by taking up a job to feeling her loss acutely in moments of despair to supporting Imlie for a right that she herself surrendered because she had no one in her corner. If anyone is suited to identify these parallels in Malini’s case, it is Rupali.

Re Aditya: lol! That man was a goner right from the beginning. I think he even said during the initial bus ride - itna hi rona tha toh shaadi hi kyun kiya or something along those lines 😆 Like she willingly wanted to marry him in the first place 😆 He could not see her cry even then; as long as the tears were caused by him he was fine initially

His antennae have always been rotated towards whatever direction Imlie is in - when Malini pulls her to dance during the mehendi, Imlie half-heartedly dances and even then Aditya is just looking at Imlie 😆 That marriage sequence was actually pretty hilarious for these bits too - he is sitting in the mantap and thinking about Imlie’s safety. 😆 If only if only......😆

Originally posted by: MuteButton

Re Rupali: it would be great if they could do that. Her path has actually been pretty progressive - from feeling powerless in the beginning for having to live at her parents’ to feeling slightly hopeful after becoming self-reliant by taking up a job to feeling her loss acutely in moments of despair to supporting Imlie for a right that she herself surrendered because she had no one in her corner. If anyone is suited to identify these parallels in Malini’s case, it is Rupali.

Re Aditya: lol! That man was a goner right from the beginning. I think he even said during the initial bus ride - itna hi rona tha toh shaadi hi kyun kiya or something along those lines 😆 Like she willingly wanted to marry him in the first place 😆 He could not see her cry even then; as long as the tears were caused by him he was fine initially

His antennae have always been rotated towards whatever direction Imlie is in - when Malini pulls her to dance during the mehendi, Imlie half-heartedly dances and even then Aditya is just looking at Imlie 😆 That marriage sequence was actually pretty hilarious for these bits too - he is sitting in the mantap and thinking about Imlie’s safety. 😆 If only if only......😆

Oh lol that scene I think was more in the zone of his off the cuff frustrated comments in the wake of the forced wedding😆.....Remember, he did initially blame Imlie for agreeing to the shaadi.....cuz yeh toh marne ko ready tha na😆....but Imlie ne bola woh shaadi karegi so he did initially resent her for that even though she also clearly was unhappy with the shaadi.....lol isliye TAANA maar raha tha bus ki roof pe ki kyun ki shaadi agar rona hi tha?😆

Remember - he is gusse and taane se bhara special sample jo ki Imliya ko kisi tarhaan pasand aa gaya😆

But I do agree otherwise that his antenna were more or less rotated towards Imlie since the early days of their shaadi even though he was determinedly moving forward with the wedding to Malini.....I could have granted him general concern for Imlie if not for things like him noticing Imlie ka appearance over Malini's at his own engagement.....lol yeh sab subtle hints hain ki Imlie pe dhyaan rehta tha iska but he didn't consciously realize it or understand what it could mean...it was a draw in those early days....the fully falling in love process ofcourse happened over a period of time. If everything had been normal in his relationship with Malini, he would have realized these signs of his dhyaan being on Imlie, his constant concern for her....but isko aadat thi cheezon ko apni crankiness mein chhupaane ki without anyone noticing😆....usi mein lapet liya sabko aur kar daali dusri shaadi😆.

Word to your point about Rupali.....she is very well suited for this phase if the makers are interested in using her correctly to move the story forward on that front😆

Originally posted by: MuteButton

Re Aditya: lol! That man was a goner right from the beginning. I think he even said during the initial bus ride - itna hi rona tha toh shaadi hi kyun kiya or something along those lines 😆 Like she willingly wanted to marry him in the first place 😆 He could not see her cry even then; as long as the tears were caused by him he was fine initially

His antennae have always been rotated towards whatever direction Imlie is in - when Malini pulls her to dance during the mehendi, Imlie half-heartedly dances and even then Aditya is just looking at Imlie 😆 That marriage sequence was actually pretty hilarious for these bits too - he is sitting in the mantap and thinking about Imlie’s safety. 😆 If only if only......😆

in first PD trip, he definitely enjoyed her company. Connection toh tha. Even with age difference and all, considering he saw her in school uniform first, I saw true wala friendship blooming there if only forced marriage did not happen.

During jaimala in mandap, he was about to put it on Malini but noticed the guy who was supposed to take Imlie to PD and paused at his own jaimala. 😆 Editor sahab ka phone aa jaata, so token sake he would have said sir meri shaadi hain aaj, mein mandap pe hoon but fikar not, Hindustan needs me, here I come. 🤣 Everyone would be shocked but Malini be like editor sahab ka phone tha, definitely koi zaroori kaam hoga. 🤣

And the heart break in his expressions when Imlie sends her mother away, he could not find it in himself to send Imlie away at that time.

Also, during engagement, when he finally made it after doing his job, spending time with Imlie in jail, and last mein coming back to Malini (he definitely had his priorities right then 😆), he was not happy dil se at the engagement, he kept on looking at Imlie. That was definitely not the expression of a guy finally getting engaged after 7 years to the “love of his life” or so he thought then. 😆

He even noticed what Imlie was wearing on his wedding day, as soon as she came out to the hall. 😆

Right before taare hain baaraati song, he is looking for Imlie but Rupi di assumes he is looking for Malini. 😆

Lastly, during that wedding puja, when imlie was at the home temple instead of Malini (she was locked in a room by sundar), Aditya’s expressions at seeing Imlie was not that of shock or wrong place wrong person type wala like others had. He was busy doing eye lock with her. 😆 That is why the words he said to Imlie after finding Malini were the rudest. Guilt was at all time high for babusahab.

So agreed, if only if only .......😆

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Oh yes, he absolutely understands her more than she admits and very much knows how to break through her stubborn mode in his own way😆

As Rupi also pointed out yesterday, Imlie will never admit it even if she feels hurt or is feeling kamzor.....and in the case of Malini toh Adi knows more than anyone else ki Imlie will never admit if she's feeling hurt cuz of her mega-guilt over anything related to Malini....so he becomes the one to address the truth, address her hurt cuz he realizes its important to talk through rather than letting presumptions fester.....also because he didn't give her the truth for so long and let her feel hurt over seeing him with someone else....yeah he didn't do it deliberately but baat toh hui na.

He steps up for her cuz he knows she will never ask for anything and he is determined to not let that be the cause of her not getting her due - whether its in her education or her rights in his life. Isiliye he's relentless and tireless in prodding her to not let her studies suffer no matter what else is going on....cuz he also knows ki Imlie maanegi nahin that she would be miserable if she was away from him😆....but he still lets her say her piece each time she says ki she's going to leave😆.

Bottom line is that he knows she loves him....yes woh insecurity rehti hai Adi mein that she may leave him again😆....but he does know that she loves him and it hurts him that she may think he's still with Malini.....isliye even though Imlie doesn't ask for clarifications, he sees the hurt on her face and clarifies it for both their sakes😆.

Exactly!! Isinloye he feels even more answerable to her even if she isn't asking for those safaiyaan he makes sure to keep telling her ke bharosa rakho.m. he kinda gets frustrated iss baat pe bhi ke imlie usse aise sawaal nahi karti jab ke woh jawab dena chahta hai . So that riles him up again..

I was thinking, does Malini like rain? The reason I bring this up is in first PD trip, when Aditya-Imlie were on her cycle and the rain fell, Aditya ran to the tree but Imlie stayed near the cycle to enjoy the rain and with the snake joke got Aditya out as well. And also on their way home when Nishanth came, Imlie first joined Aditya in the shed but managed to get him out in the rain with the banana leaf. Basically, Imlie did not change her likes/dislikes based on Aditya's likes/dislikes. Imlie likes rain, she will enjoy it irrespective of Aditya, infact she has the capacity to change Aditya's mind about rain.

But Malini, for 7 years, she joined Aditya in the shed. The question is, what does she like? Did she enjoy rain but pretended not to because of Aditya or she does not like rain to begin with? I have no idea. And that is why Malini was shocked when Aditya told her that jhalli did not let him stay in the shed. Did Malini ever try to get Aditya out of the shed? Just as Imlie succeeded in getting him out of the shed, she would have too had she just tried. But she never tried to challenge Aditya, it was always about just accommodating him. She was so inherently scared to cause any ripple in their relationship. But in trying not to cause any ripple, both of them never showed their true self to each other.

Also, same think about holi. Malini stopped playing because of Aditya but Aditya did not mind playing Holi with Imlie. Did Malini ever try to get him to play holi or once again just went with what he preferred. Does she like playing Holi or not? I have no idea.

Irrespective of how people see Malini's character, white, grey, black, or whatever shade, they have to see that Aditya-Malini were never right for each other. Malini changed her whole personality to accommodate Aditya in her life. Does Aditya even know who the real Malini is? Does Malini even know who she really is if she is not dating/married to Aditya? With or without Imlie, Malini was always going to experience the pain of their breakup. 7 years of dating lasted because of the minimum time spent with each other. But marriage is a whole different matter. You cannot continue to hide your real self in marriage, sooner or later it will come out with the amount of time you spend with each other. The facade would have fallen. And I am pretty sure Aditya would have been bored out of his mind in this marriage. And Malini would have struggled to deal with real Aditya. They would have constantly fought and eventually their marriage would have turned bitter.

Aditya-Malini relationship is toxic for Malini, not because of Aditya, but because of who she has become in the 7 years in this relationship. She lost herself in this relationship so much so that she has no personality left. As audience, I have no idea who she really is. Sometimes she is extra sweet, sometimes she is extra rude. There is no balance in her character. But Malini's character still has hope. I wish the writers concentrate on her self-discovery journey too. I do not want her character to turn black. There is no fun in that. But once she is separated from Aditya, I hope she tries to discover who she really is. What does she like to do. Does she enjoy rain? Does she enjoy Holi?

Originally posted by: Anvi2009

I was thinking, does Malini like rain? The reason I bring this up is in first PD trip, when Aditya-Imlie were on her cycle and the rain fell, Aditya ran to the tree but Imlie stayed near the cycle to enjoy the rain and with the snake joke got Aditya out as well. And also on their way home when Nishanth came, Imlie first joined Aditya in the shed but managed to get him out in the rain with the banana leaf. Basically, Imlie did not change her likes/dislikes based on Aditya's likes/dislikes. Imlie likes rain, she will not enjoy it because of Aditya, infact she has the capacity to change Aditya's mind about rain.

But Malini, for 7 years, she joined Aditya in the shed. The question is, what does she like? Did she enjoy rain but pretended not to because of Aditya or she does not like rain to begin with? I have no idea. And that is why Malini was shocked when Aditya told her that jhalli did not let him stay in the shed. Did Malini ever try to get Aditya out of the shed? Just as Imlie succeeded in getting him out of the shed, she would have too had she just tried. But she never tried to challenge Aditya, it was always about just accommodating him. She was so inherently scared to cause any ripple in their relationship. But in trying not to cause any ripple, both of them never showed their true self to each other.

Sorry, but not sure how that is relevant to the story at all😕😆

The rain has always been built around Adi and Imlie as a theme.....Adi is averse to rain while Imlie loves rain. Malini is frankly irrelevant to that theme/concept as far as I'm concerned 😆

Call me callous but I frankly don't give a damn anymore about what Malini likes *shrugs*😆.....she has no personality beyond fixating on Adi.....I doubt she herself remembers if she has any true likings/dislikings.....Adi is her current obsession but whatever she was doing in life before meeting him also makes it seem like she projected her likings based on what she felt would bring attention/sympathy to her....so *shrugs*.....I'm least interested in what she likes or wants to do. She is an empty shell of a character, that's it.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Sorry, but not sure how that is relevant to the story at all😕😆

The rain has always been built around Adi and Imlie as a theme.....Adi is averse to rain while Imlie loves rain. Malini is frankly irrelevant to that theme/concept as far as I'm concerned 😆

Call me callous but I frankly don't give a damn anymore about what Malini likes *shrugs*😆.....she has no personality beyond fixating on Adi.....I doubt she herself remembers if she has any true likings/dislikings.....Adi is her current obsession but whatever she was doing in life before meeting him also makes it seem like she projected her likings based on what she felt would bring attention/sympathy to her....so *shrugs*.....I'm least interested in what she likes or wants to do. She is an empty shell of a character, that's it.

First of all, Malini is here to stay till the end. Do we want to see this empty shell of a character that she is now for the remaining however episodes, please noooooooooo. How are we to enjoy the story as a whole then? I have tried to watch stories in the past because of leads only, instead of the story as a whole, and eventually just gave up because even though I enjoyed the leads, I could never enjoy the story. In fact there was no story if the leads were not on screen for the whole 20-22 minutes and that is not practical in a daily soap. The serials start with a proper story with sub-plots but mid-way it just becomes about the leads and the story goes for a toss. But here we have subplots in the story that are connected to the leads, so the story is still interesting. We still talk about PD family, T family, C family.

Malini became an empty shell of the character because of a combination of her childhood and her delusions about her relationship with Aditya. But she is not an outright black character yet either. That is why her journey has the potential to be interesting if the writers show it that way. And even if Malini is out of Aditya-Imlie's life, she can never be out of Imlie's life as they are half-sisters. So if the character is here to stay, why not give her a character arc that has the potential to interest the audience.

It is not about what Malini likes, it is more about her personality. She has suppressed it since forever. If her real personality starts to come out as Aditya separates himself from her, and it turns out to be a total evil personality, then so be it. If her real personality is dark grey, then so be it. Right now where the story is, it can go either way. She also does not know who she really is. There is zero self-awareness in her. She is never going to be the saint she pretends to be. But she is also not a criminal. Right now I hate seeing Malini on screen too, but that can change if writers work on her character. For one, I do not want to see her being super sweet in one episode and evil incarnate the next and then again super sweet. It get's confusing for me as the audience about who she is really because she is neither super sweet nor evil incarnate. But she gets a lot of screen space. I want to see some sort of consistency in her character, whatever shade that is. And I cannot enjoy Aditya-Imlie scenes only for long if I cannot tolerate her on screen. Last 10 episodes are proof enough. If she is to stay till the end, and as audience if I want to enjoy the story as a whole along with Adi-Imlie relationship, then writers need to work on her character more.