Some questions- Edited Pg2

Originally posted by: Walden

I asked these questions in Pari's thread earlier today but there were no takers 😭 so I figured I'd try my luck in the general forum. Please don't disappoint me again 😭 I genuinely would like to know what people think about these queries!

Loll!!!Its difficult to expect people to come out and discuss things in which their views differ walden!! Either they never come or get away giving lame reasons that their views are never respected and others try to deliberately impose their views on them and hence they have no option but to leave!Its like people belive that their views are best safeguarded wen they keep it just for themselves,bcs that is when they dun face the threat of others views coming in their ways or to put it in a better way,they dun need to put any effort in looking at the situation from the other' perspective!!! Its rightly said that we are limited by ourselves, not by anyone else!!😊

1) Lets assume for a second that Zara did not look like Indira. Lets play out what happened in the show. Zara and Rishi are newly married and return to SN and find that Indira is back (in her mentally handicapped state). When Zara asks Rishi "who is she and who am I to you," what do you think Rishi should have said to Zara...if you can give me the exact words, that would help! Since Rishi did say that he wanted to be with Zara, should he have walked out with her leaving Indira at the hands of the Sharmas? If you were Rishi, what would you have said and done from this point forward? The more specific that you can be, the easier it will be for me to understand your viewpoint

Walden,its great that you ask questions which are to the point and expect the same.By the time we end up answering your questions,soo many doubts abt the circumstance just get cleared off and we bcm exactly sure of wat we wud be dng in that particular situation!😊 Personally,I would have done just exactlyy wat Rishi has done!!Yes,I would call Zara as my love and Indira as a zimmedari!!!I would have got back Indira back to normal again,but I wouldnt be sure of what would i be doing once she gets allright..Bcs then on one hand I will be having Zara and on the other hand Indira-both the ladies whom i have loved immensely for veryy difft reasons in veryy difft circumstances!!The thing is, here I,myself ,am creating more problems for me by getting Indira back to normal bcs right now,indira is ntng but a child ,I can move on with my life with Zara and get Indira admitted to an asylum bcs that would be the most practical thing to do!!The only mistake of mine is that the emotion that i had for someone from my past is still alive in me and will be forever,and it cant stop me from listening to my conscience in the fear of my future!!

2) Prior to the leap, Indira used to refer to her family as her zimmedari ALL the time (I can give specific examples if people want but I'm quite certain that everyone remembers this clearly). Did Indira not love her family? Why is it okay for Indira to call her family zimmedari and a blunder for Rishi to refer to Indira as his zimmedari?

Nice question walden!!Your question would lead me to your thread on stereotypes about women in our society.Indira was no exception to this and this definitely is one of the biggest lack in this character!!She was just like every other girl of her age who belived that it was the responsibility of the men in the family to run the family.Circumstances forced her into taking the ownership of the SF,but little did it help in changing the stereotypes in her mind about women,rather it only made her more and more desperate to see the same happening with her!!But did all dis make us doubt her love for the SF??Here for me the answer is definitely a no!!She loved her family endlessly and I dun ever question that love!!She calling her family as a zimmedari bcs of the already existing stereotypes in her mind about women will never make me doubt her love!!The same is the case with Rishi here,he has called Indira as a zimedari bcs the situation demands it,but is it ever gng to dry away all the feelings that he owns for this lady just bcs of that one statement?Nopes.feelings and emotions that we own for people closest to us were not born in just one or two days,they were nurtured slowly with care and concern,with faith and trust and they remain in our hearts,maybe they wnt have the same intensity forever bcs as u said in one of ur posts that change is an inevitable part of our lives but still they remain alive somewhere within us !!!

3) People claim that Zara was just a replacement for Rishi. My question is: when Indira decided to blackmail Rishi into marrying Shweta, what was Shweta supposed to be? Didn't Indira also just want a replacement for herself so that Rishi would have someone there to perform all the wifey duties for him, romance him, give him kids etc. She clearly knew that Rishi didn't love Shweta. So if Zara is a replacement, what was Shweta? (Again, I'm not saying that Indira's intentions were bad so you don't have to waste time convincing me of her good intentions)

Walden,placing myself in Indira' shoes,I have to confess that maybe I would have done just what she did with Rishi!!!Yes,seeing from the other perspective am cmpltly wrong,I must not have played with Rishi' life,but dunno why i would have still wanted to get him married before i left him!!Now coming to ur question,its just soo straight n clear that i have to agree that if ppl call Zara as just a mere replacement,then for me swetha was was also a replacement for Rishi by Indira...If they say that Zara was much more than a replacement ,she was his love, then i would also agree that Indira' act of getting swetha in Rishi' life was born out of her love for him and this very reason would make me a bit more soft and i would refrain frm using the word replacemnt for swetha!!

Let's set some ground rules to keep the discussion healthy

1) If you could restrict your discussion to just these 3 questions and play along with the assumptions i've made,, that would be great! To keep the discussion focused, I rather not debate the "legality" or "morality" of the Zashi relationship and like I always say, lets keep the kids (i.e Indu) out of it- she gets a free pass again (but thats okay I bash her enough as is) 😆 I also am going to assume for this discussion that Zara is not a humshakal of Indira. Now if you feel that your basic grievance has to do precisely with the morality of the Zashi relationship and Zara being a humshakal, then please say so and you don't have to answer these questions.

2) Saying things like "Rishi is a womanizer, he wants the best of both worlds, he is lustful" does not help me understand your viewpoint. So a thoughful response would be much appreciated.

Originally posted by: _saumya_

Nice Web Walden! Even I am waiting for someone to fall in your trap. 😆

Well I can answer only the first one and that is I would have done exactly what Rishi was doing but may be I would have refered to a doctor to get her tumour treated and left her in an asylum and went there on a regular basis. To other questions, I have no problem with whatever happened, it was the right thing.

Originally posted by: Walden

Fall in my trap 🤣🤣Wel, if one thinks logically like you do, they fear not--what say my friend 😆

Regarding getting Indira's BT treated...me and I think Heema were discussing this a while back...but I think her BT was treated pre-leap...it's just that she went into a coma afterwards. But if it wasnt' treated and she still survived 8 long yrs, I doubt she needs any treatment 😆

Transferred her to the asylum...honestly, if HD wouldn't have shown that place to be so barbaric, that actually would have been a good idea. Taking care of a mentally handicapped individual requires 24x7 care and can be physically and emotionally draining for the caregiver. Yes this would have been perfect...she could have remained in Indu and Rishi's life and Rishi could also move on with Zara. The other idea I had was that they could have just hired a caregiver for her- a bodybuilding kind of caregiver (still a woman) who could also protect her from the evil intentions of the SN 😆But where there is logic,you can be sure thatHD will not be found there.

Originally posted by: aadk

Originally posted by: Pari117

reserved!!!

i will be back soon to reply on it. Thanks walden for bringing out again good questions!! :)

Originally posted by: Surbhi123

1) Lets assume for a second that Zara did not look like Indira. Lets play out what happened in the show. Zara and Rishi are newly married and return to SN and find that Indira is back (in her mentally handicapped state). When Zara asks Rishi "who is she and who am I to you," what do you think Rishi should have said to Zara...if you can give me the exact words, that would help! Since Rishi did say that he wanted to be with Zara, should he have walked out with her leaving Indira at the hands of the Sharmas? If you were Rishi, what would you have said and done from this point forward? The more specific that you can be, the easier it will be for me to understand your viewpoint
First of all his running after zara and getting married to her without her daughter's presence was wrong in my eyes . Agreed...I've said this myself...he should have involved Indu in this decision. Indu did told him about indira before he went Mumbai and got married to zara , she said she will bring her mother back in their life . He should not have hurried in those things.You're right, the Zashi marriage was rushed from both Zara and Rishi's side. But can I ask you, why do you think Rishi rushed into marriage? Had I been in rishi's place ...for me it would have been a deciding situation...I would have known that my every step is gonna effect lifes severely. He had to be the decision maker and his all concern was with his old love as she was not well . He said he want happiness for her , regret that he was not with her for 8 years .He knew she needs her and he has to be there for her because she has been there for him . Zara was all the time standing there witnessing all...realizing what is happening..she was ofcourse hurt...as it wasn't her mistake in any way .but she was realizing things...when she strongly said that I can take you to court and can get you but I am not doing it because I know you don't want that...you want to be with your shreemati ji . She broke saying that what should I do of myself now . I if was rishi would have broke there with her . All in tears . I would have consoled her...blaming myself for everything.I'm not sure I understand what he should have blamed himself for? .should have made her realize that what indira meant to me...and I actually right now am unable to choose .I thought that is what Rishi did...he actually broke down and asked Zara for her support...he said you are my wife and I need you to stand by my side. I see this as a strong declaration that I want to be with you Zara. I think Rishi did choose at that instant. He chose Zara as his wife and that is why he went to her and asked her to support him. How difficult the situation is but indira remained a priority. Zara would have shouted , cried at the moment . Would have cursed him and would have decided to leave . Rishi should dil se be sorry to her and should promise her that she can ask him to anything to repent ..Again, I geuninely don't understand what Rishi did wrong for which he has to to repent..at least at this moment when Indira had just come back from the dead. .he should thank her for bringing him back to life and should have been dil se sorry that he was letting her go .Again, I'm not understanding your point of view here. Are you saying that he should have let her go? Some emotional moments , some talks making each other understand ...tears all over Like they got secretly married, they should have secretly divorced and zara should have been back to Mumbai . I know bahut dil toot jaata ,zara ke liye toh shayad zindagi hi khatam ho jaati '..but with time'..she could have understood . ...a new beginning with the end of zara's character . I as rishi would have kept on blaming myself and the situations. ..Gradually realizing that had I stopped zara how much more would have I hurt her . So if I understand you, if you had been in Rishi's place, you would have just let Zara go when Indira came back. Why? Is it becasue you think that Rishi did not love Zara? She would have been seeing me with sheemati ji and indu with indira too . And it would have been more difficult . Indira at the time with her mental condition would have taken all other concentration. Slowly gradually with the care of her husband Rishi is no longer her husband at this time, indira would have been alright and I as rishi would have confessed all what happened with me . Now indira as a wife should have worked and could have taken out the guilt from rishi's heart making him realize that the mistake was of situations and they need to move on . Okay so if I understand you correctly, you're assuming that Rishi never loved Zara? But this is where I have to disagree with you strongly. But that was what he should have done and things would have been pretty much simple'...he stopped zara..declared that he loved her...when he knew he has to be there for indira Again I don't understand the problem here...so just because he had to stand by Indira, he should have lied to Zara and said I don't love you anymore? , when he knew what indira meant to him . When he knew he will not be able to do justice with the girl . See today what are the results of his decision'...Let me ask you, what about Zara? Is she a puppet? Why did she not leave? Did Rishi tie her down? zara is a murderer...to get rishi...she killed one person...she had been a decent cop before...love blindfolded her...her feelings to get rishi at any cost 'taxed her so much...indira's life is in danger and indu is not happy either . A strong decision and the situation could have been much better .

2) Prior to the leap, Indira used to refer to her family as her zimmedari ALL the time (I can give specific examples if people want but I'm quite certain that everyone remembers this clearly). Did Indira not love her family? Why is it okay for Indira to call her family zimmedari and a blunder for Rishi to refer to Indira as his zimmedari?

Ok regarding indira calling her family zimedaari..her family consists of what kind of members we all know . What all she went through is well known again . So like what indira's family was to her'..was indira like that to rishi'..?????...till I know rishi got the love from her which he never got from anyone else in the world...the same word can have two different meanings in different situations...moreover whenever she said the word zimmedaari...she was never making comparisons..like I love some other family and my Sharma family is a zimmedaari . This would have looked like she was forced to be with them , live with them , Sharma house was living hell ...she wanted to come out but that was not truth . Indira did wanted to be with family always . In rishi case '.it was between two wives . And we very well know that what love means for a wife...that is the only thing a wife demands . And he in comparison said that his love is zara while indira is just a responsibility whom he just can't turn his face from . So what did it mean...that he just said it,he want indira in his life...he can't live without her...no ...not in any way...he wanted to be with zara You are contradicting everything you said in your previous answer...so Rishi was clear to Zara that he loves her...he reassured her that Indira was only his responsibility...so how was he unjust to Zara? . Atleast that was what he meant with his words . That comparison was wrong. He should not have done that . He somewhere in those words said that indira was less important than zara to him . Exactly, you are again contradicting what you ssaid in your previous answer...Rishi was very clear to Zara that she was very important to him. So how did he not console her or do her justice?
3) People claim that Zara was just a replacement for Rishi. My question is: when Indira decided to blackmail Rishi into marrying Shweta, what was Shweta supposed to be? Didn't Indira also just want a replacement for herself so that Rishi would have someone there to perform all the wifey duties for him, romance him, give him kids etc. She clearly knew that Rishi didn't love Shweta. So if Zara is a replacement, what was Shweta? (Again, I'm not saying that Indira's intentions were bad so you don't have to waste time convincing me of her good intentions)

What indira wanted never happened first of all . Now to explain why people say zara was a replacement of indira for rishi . It is because with the entry of indira...it was indira who become important for rishi . Now you are contradicting what you said in response to the 2nd question..that Indira was just a zimmedari. While he kept on saying he loved zara ...the care and love he had for indira was very much visible . He was wrong ...indira wasn't just a mere responsibility . He still loved her . Again you are contradicting what you just said in response to #2 He manhandled zara for indira , even said in front of indira that he will have ss with indira . ( i know he never meant it...but he was saying it in front of his wife . )He din't cared for her emotions at all . There were not emotional talks , understanding between zashi . Indira became the priority . No clarification was given to zara when she found inshi in a about to kiss situation...neither it was explained to zara that rishi thought that it was zara with her in the room . Moreover in the starting...rishi used to recognize zara from her first heartbeat...later in long long talks and even kisses...he assumed indira as zara ...this sudden change in his feelings was quiet visible . Did you forget the shweta-Rishi almost kiss scene where Rishi almost thought that Shweta was Indira?? Do I need to go back to the Rishi kidnapping track when Indira assumed Sumer to be Rishi? So really these things don't mean much. Which somewhere proved that he was with zara because zara was like indira...in look and in actions even...So what is wrong in being attracted to someone for their physical appearance and their actions/behavior/attitude/the kind of person they are? We all look for certain things in other people when we fall in love and Rishi found these qualities in Zara! else his love has always been there for indira ,. thus people feel that zara was just a replacement of indira in his life . For the time being indira wasn't there...he found someone similar to her . Regarding shweta...no indira never wanted shweta to be her replacement . She thought the two friends can make a beautiful life after her . She wanted him to love shweta as shweta only . So if Rishi can be expected to love Shweta for Shweta, why can't he love Zara fo Zara. Just because Zara resembles Indira and is like Indira in her personality? If anything, wouldn't you expect Rishi to fall in love with someone who is similar to Indira? It only makes sense.Afterall, we fall for the same kind of people...why is that so wrong? It was shweta who tried to be indira when she thought that there is no other option to come close to rishi . Moreover situations were very much changed after indira leaving...shweta and rishi were great friends but they were not even in nice talking terms later as shweta hide things , let indira dance in pregnancy etc . Indira never thought these things will happen...she wanted someone for rishi ...who will love him throughout his life . So it its okay for Indira to want someone for Rishi for loves him, Why can't Rishi want this for himself? It its forced, its okay but if someone chooses, then its a replacement? Not a replacement for herself but yup she does wanted to make sure that rishi don't live a lonely life after her .



I tried to present my views on the questions . I hope i followed the rules . Hope i am clear enough in my opinions .and was able to express my point of view . Thank you for your response 😊