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Originally posted by: Walden

Alright, so I'm in a mood to speak on Rishi's behalf today. I know the writers haven't given me much to work with but I'm gonna try! In all of this, there is only one thing that I can't defend him for- marrying Zara without Indu's consent (oh and the slapping bit yesterday). For the most part, I liked him today. He tried to behave like an adult amidst the terrible circumstances that he's stuck in (couldn't say the same for Zara today- more on her later).

I don't agree with the bit that Rishi wants to eat his cake and have it too. LW and Zara hold different places in his life and he is trying to be just towards both of them. Is that so wrong that he is trying to fulfill his promises and responsibilities towards both women? It's not like he wants to romance both of them! The circumstances have not been created by him (again if I ignore the marrying Zara without Indu's consent bit). Its not like he knew that his dead wife was going to return when he married Zara. I know we all want him to decide but honestly if I put myself in his shoes, I don't quite know how I could make a rational decision. His decision will impact 4 lives and I think he realizes the gravity of the situation. To further his grief, it does not help that everyone else around him, including Zara, behaves like a 8 year old. I also liked how he spoke to Indu today. He treated her as a 8 year old and tried to understand her feelings too. Obviously for the 8 year old, life is simple. She wants her mom and dad to be in love and together. How is Rishi supposed to explain to her that people can move on in life and though he may not love her mom the way he used to, he still cares for her. This is very difficult to get across to a 8 year old child and Rishi tried his best.

Regarding Zara, honestly, I think her behavior has been quite immature for the last few episodes. No I can't label her behavior as wrong but it is also does not show any maturity or understanding. Yes I can understand her desire to be with her husband, but does she not see the difficult circumstances that her beloved husband has been thrown into. Does she not see or understand his dilemma? So far she has only acted on her personal motives (again,not wrong to do but if we expect so much maturity from Rishi, then why not Zara?). Today, I thought her behavior was quite childish. Why is she arguing with a 8 year old? If she is disappointed and heartbroken, she needs to sit down and talk things out with Rishi- not prove her point to a 8 year old. Her behavior today makes me even more confident that Zara is none other than Indira- meri life buri hai, meri feelings ko koi nahi samajhta, I am the one who has been wronged the most in life etc etc. all reeks of Indira. I do hope that she decides to walk out of SN, even if Rishi begs her to stay.

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Heema, Walden...thanks for presenting Rishi's point of view. To clarify, its not as though I don't understand his situation or cannot look at from where he is seeing it. I do agree with some part of the defense. I could clearly see that he was miserable and helpless and had mentioned as much in the original post. In fact, one of the things I said yesterday, which I want to take back, is that if he cannot face situations, he should take off to some forest and live the life of a hermit. In all of this, the one thing that really stands out about him is he is not a cheat and he is not a quitter. There is no doubt in my mind about his integrity. But I can also see things from Zara's point of view. And then that confuses me considerably.

The thing that bothers me the most about Rishi is his inaction. His jugadupan, which is endearing at most times, will not see him though every situation. Its very easy to ask "What can he do? The situation is such..." But, honestly, if not him, who can do? Who can best help him but his own self? This applies to Zara too. God's honest truth (which is most true in real life than any piece of fiction) is that nobody is a bechara. Everyone can and must help themselves (this does not apply to children and ill people who do not have the skills to deal with life). Rishi is not a bechara. Zara is not a bechari. What prevents her from finding out who she is, I will never understand.

Walden, you said Rishi trying to be fair to everyone. That's correct. And yet, in doing that, he is being unfair to someone or the other, including himself. Because the truth is, one cannot be fair to everyone. From where I see it, this attempt of his to keep every woman in his life happy is nothing but damage control. He says "Zara, I love you and Shrimatiji is my responsibility." Please note I am not for a moment casting aspersions on his love for Lahorewali (Indira). His love for her is true and he is living out his love every minute by caring for her. In that, he is being fair to her. Nor is his love for Zara fake. He intends to stand by her in everything.

But Zara, who is basically insecure and suffering from a loss of identity, does not know where she stands in his scheme of things. From what she has seen (and what we have been shown), Lahorewali does not let go of him even for a minute and Rishi is too occupied to think of Zara until she is in his line of vision. Not once has he sought her out because he was thinking of her. Please revisit some of those epis to be sure.

Sure, he has told her that he loves her and needs her support. She might want to believe him too. But her problem might also be that his words are not followed up with action. Her mistake was to tread onto thin ice by asking for Lahorewali to be sent to the asylum. It was a mistake and a definite show of insecurity, but in this case, Rishi was not exactly helpless. Really speaking, it was his decision to make and not hers. But he asked her to do what she thinks is right and which would hurt no one. A version of truth or dare. This was perhaps fair when he said it, but it became unfair when he was unhappy to abide by her decision. So, at some level, he was okay with the truth but not the dare. He wanted to wriggle out of the situation by throwing the decision (along with a very strong unstated expectation) back at Zara. He thought she knew his mind and would not go against him. He expected unconditional support from her. But somewhere, there is this niggling feeling that he expected Zara to understand him, but he was not really understanding her and her fears because he is too preoccupied with Indu and what she feels and thinks.

Right now, the thing that bothers me most about him is that he is perpetually in damage control mode. Zara sheds tears and he pacifies her with a promise. Indu threatens to jump off the roof and he rushes to pacify her with a promise. Whoever demands a pound of flesh will be given something so that the moment is taken care of. This cannot sustain for too long. Right now, he is expecting the situation that he is in to sort itself out. That is possible if the others in the situation, too, allow that to happen. But when Indu is forcing the situation in one direction, Zara in another, and his commitment to the Lahorewali in a third, then he cannot be passive and use his jugadupan to bail him out. That might work for the moment, but in the long run, will extract a hefty price.

About Zara's maturity and her tiff with an eight year old, I really have nothing to say except that it might have been the work of the moment. I think she was feeling really guilty at her actions and was doing her best to rectify them. The fact that Lahorewali went missing and Rishi's reaction after that would have drained her completely. Plus, she is still fond of Indu, even though Indu is openly hateful of her. The repeated rebuffs might have taken a toll. Indu did push her limits. Had Indu been a normal eight year old who just wants to see her parents together, things would have been different. But given that she can be cause for worry if she does not have her way, the dynamics change substantially.

While I am not sure that either Rishi or Zara can be blamed, Rishi's inaction can pave the way for more heartburn and sorrow. The point that Rishi has nothing to gain from this situation was well made. Point taken too. But if Rishi stands to gain nothing, neither does anyone else. Least of all Zara. And yes, four lives are impacted. Any which way. So staving off action helps no one.

Long ramble...really sorry. Would be glad to hear counterpoints. Please do not resist from offering them.

Disclaimer: This stance is valid as of today. In future episodes, if the CVs really hang him from the noose they they have so lovingly created, who can help it?

Originally posted by: AllThingsNice

Warning: Long post

Heema, Walden...thanks for presenting Rishi's point of view. To clarify, its not as though I don't understand his situation or cannot look at from where he is seeing it. I do agree with some part of the defense. I could clearly see that he was miserable and helpless and had mentioned as much in the original post. In fact, one of the things I said yesterday, which I want to take back, is that if he cannot face situations, he should take off to some forest and live the life of a hermit. In all of this, the one thing that really stands out about him is he is not a cheat and he is not a quitter. There is no doubt in my mind about his integrity. But I can also see things from Zara's point of view. And then that confuses me considerably.

The thing that bothers me the most about Rishi is his inaction. His jugadupan, which is endearing at most times, will not see him though every situation. Its very easy to ask "What can he do? The situation is such..." But, honestly, if not him, who can do? Who can best help him but his own self? This applies to Zara too. God's honest truth (which is most true in real life than any piece of fiction) is that nobody is a bechara. Everyone can and must help themselves (this does not apply to children and ill people who do not have the skills to deal with life). Rishi is not a bechara. Zara is not a bechari. What prevents her from finding out who she is, I will never understand.

Walden, you said Rishi trying to be fair to everyone. That's correct. And yet, in doing that, he is being unfair to someone or the other, including himself. Because the truth is, one cannot be fair to everyone. From where I see it, this attempt of his to keep every woman in his life happy is nothing but damage control. He says "Zara, I love you and Shrimatiji is my responsibility." Please note I am not for a moment casting aspersions on his love for Lahorewali (Indira). His love for her is true and he is living out his love every minute by caring for her. In that, he is being fair to her. Nor is his love for Zara fake. He intends to stand by her in everything.

But Zara, who is basically insecure and suffering from a loss of identity, does not know where she stands in his scheme of things. From what she has seen (and what we have been shown), Lahorewali does not let go of him even for a minute and Rishi is too occupied to think of Zara until she is in his line of vision. Not once has he sought her out because he was thinking of her. Please revisit some of those epis to be sure.

Sure, he has told her that he loves her and needs her support. She might want to believe him too. But her problem might also be that his words are not followed up with action. Her mistake was to tread onto thin ice by asking for Lahorewali to be sent to the asylum. It was a mistake and a definite show of insecurity, but in this case, Rishi was not exactly helpless. Really speaking, it was his decision to make and not hers. But he asked her to do what she thinks is right and which would hurt no one. A version of truth or dare. This was perhaps fair when he said it, but it became unfair when he was unhappy to abide by her decision. So, at some level, he was okay with the truth but not the dare. He wanted to wriggle out of the situation by throwing the decision (along with a very strong unstated expectation) back at Zara. He thought she knew his mind and would not go against him. He expected unconditional support from her. But somewhere, there is this niggling feeling that he expected Zara to understand him, but he was not really understanding her and her fears because he is too preoccupied with Indu and what she feels and thinks.

Right now, the thing that bothers me most about him is that he is perpetually in damage control mode. Zara sheds tears and he pacifies her with a promise. Indu threatens to jump off the roof and he rushes to pacify her with a promise. Whoever demands a pound of flesh will be given something so that the moment is taken care of. This cannot sustain for too long. Right now, he is expecting the situation that he is in to sort itself out. That is possible if the others in the situation, too, allow that to happen. But when Indu is forcing the situation in one direction, Zara in another, and his commitment to the Lahorewali in a third, then he cannot be passive and use his jugadupan to bail him out. That might work for the moment, but in the long run, will extract a hefty price.

About Zara's maturity and her tiff with an eight year old, I really have nothing to say except that it might have been the work of the moment. I think she was feeling really guilty at her actions and was doing her best to rectify them. The fact that Lahorewali went missing and Rishi's reaction after that would have drained her completely. Plus, she is still fond of Indu, even though Indu is openly hateful of her. The repeated rebuffs might have taken a toll. Indu did push her limits. Had Indu been a normal eight year old who just wants to see her parents together, things would have been different. But given that she can be cause for worry if she does not have her way, the dynamics change substantially.

While I am not sure that either Rishi or Zara can be blamed, Rishi's inaction can pave the way for more heartburn and sorrow. The point that Rishi has nothing to gain from this situation was well made. Point taken too. But if Rishi stands to gain nothing, neither does anyone else. Least of all Zara. And yes, four lives are impacted. Any which way. So staving off action helps no one.

Long ramble...really sorry. Would be glad to hear counterpoints. Please do not resist from offering them.

Disclaimer: This stance is valid as of today. In future episodes, if the CVs really hang him from the noose they they have so lovingly created, who can help it?

Originally posted by: ashish.sachi

I really don't understand , why you all are asking Zara to find her past.

She & Rishi both have accepted that she is Zara and not Indira.

The Fact is Rishi have also told her she loves her as Zara.

So According to her , the past doesn't matter. Whatever might have happened in the past ( either she is Indira or Zara , because even if she was Indira their old marriage is only annulated) , according to her she is legally Rishi's wife now , (since only new marriage of her & Rishi matters to law , in either case) , and she should get all rights of Rishi's wife.

That is what she is trying to get. Whatever happened 8 years before doesn't matter for her anymore , so she is not interested in knowing it that's it. Even if she was really Zara , she just wants to get Rishi

Finding her identity is not in the context of her marriage to Rishi. It is more to resolve her insecurities with regard to herself. Its important for her own sake. Earlier, Malik told her that she was Zara and Rishi told her that she was Indira. She believed them both.

This identity crisis is not something that will be permanently resolved if she marries Rishi as Zara and remains married to him for the rest of her life. The question will bother her later too. She needs to find out.

Originally posted by: Heema22

QUOTE Walden

The fact that she is insecure about her identity has nothing to do with Rishi- I mean Malik told her she was Zara for 8 years so she believed him and now Rishi thought she was Indira so she believed him- Why do Rishi's words mean more to her than MK's? I mean if a 3rd person comes along tomorrow and tells her that she's Sita, she'll believe them too! She needs to separate her identity crisis from the LW situation- they are completely unrelated.

I do not want preach . But I do work in Brain trauma field and I understand few things. Right now I think writer are suffering from brain trauma .I have seen lots of people with permanent memory loss. These people do not have indendity of their own , many time they do not trust any one but if they trust any one is usually blind trust because they are desperate for indendity and that's why she trusted MK and he took advantage of her. I am sure he told her that she was orphan. But she was not happy and was not connected with him so she was looking for answer. Rishi came along and she felt connection with him so another blind trust !! she has found her new indendity but she still feels very insecure . She is looking for security and she wants to hang on to it.loosing thier newly found identiy is very threatening to these people that why she is portrait like this. She wants to hold on to Rishi and not share him.,.I want ZARA to investigate but this drama is getting TRPS so we are stuck !!

You are absolutely right. Rishi has nothing to gain from this but he will loose a lot with any desicion he makes . He is just tring to be nice to both of them . Does he really has any choice? He did not create this stupid situation. He wants solution that will make every one happy. He is in very bad situation. He will never tell Zara to leave him but she does he will bring her back because by nature he fair man !! ! He will not hurt any one!! Lets see what happens !!! For me it's getting interesting to see Rishi's Dilemma !! I also think that he can have them both. He does not want to be in this situation. To keep them both will be the only happy solution but remember this is Zimdagi ki jang!!

OMG I knew it from very first day !!" Life in the woods" walden, Henry David Thoreau. Great man . I loved it . I wanted to ask you about your user name but now I know,, I love him too. He was original non violent peace keeper!!!!!!