Shuttlecock - Page 7

Originally posted by: AllThingsNice

Heema, I am also trying...you cannot say I am not trying to see it from his point of view.

But I am also looking at it from Zara's point of view. And the only thing I feel is that if we know that neither of them is perfect, then highlighting the flaws of only one makes it look one-sided. She has made mistakes, but then so has he.

We are eager to forgive Rishi, feel bad for him, and make a case for him. But we are not equally eager to understand what Zara might be facing or feeling. Why so? Let's leave Indu out (although everything ultimately comes back to her).

Originally posted by: AllThingsNice

Heema, I am also trying...you cannot say I am not trying to see it from his point of view.

But I am also looking at it from Zara's point of view. And the only thing I feel is that if we know that neither of them is perfect, then highlighting the flaws of only one makes it look one-sided. She has made mistakes, but then so has he.

We are eager to forgive Rishi, feel bad for him, and make a case for him. But we are not equally eager to understand what Zara might be facing or feeling. Why so? Let's leave Indu out (although everything ultimately comes back to her).

Hey Guys Nice Discussions going on.. Heema, walden and Kanan too gud! I loved reading ur posts
Hey plz continue the game as well!
I am a viewer of this match... Plz continue. Must say u are gr8 players ! Anu dear i wud have helpd u in case u wantd a break bt i cant( mob is slow) .
Hey matru listen, i also have a bit problm with that staircase convo refrence.. But its Ok u guys have movd on to discover much deeper layers of Zara and Rishi. I m enjoying !
Heema great posts dear !
Continue..
I just came here to cheer u guys as an audience !

I'm glad everyone is enjoying the match:) But omg, I think way too much about these fictional characters! So if its okay with you Kanan, i'm going to call for a truce (or declare you the winner 😊). And lets just blame Indu for the whole mess 😆 I don't think anyone wants to defend her so we're safe :))

Originally posted by: Walden

I'm glad everyone is enjoying the match:) But omg, I think way too much about these fictional characters! So if its okay with you Kanan, i'm going to call for a truce (or declare you the winner 😊). And lets just blame Indu for the whole mess 😆 I don't think anyone wants to defend her so we're safe :))

yeh toh kuch bi nahi hai..all should wait & watch maha bakwas sangam..i think some PR audience may get faint after listening to indu's bullets towards her papa & kadus aunty today & on monday🥱. Seriously if rishi cant stop her atlesst he should use tape to stop her flow

Okay, let me see. So if I pause, step back, and reassess, I find that we're turning in circles. I am saying, yes, Zara has made mistakes, but so has Rishi and if we can forgive Rishi, we should be able to forgive Zara. Walden and Heema are saying, yes, Rishi has made mistakes, but so has Zara and if we can allow Zara to make mistakes, we should be able to allow Rishi his mistakes. If I have misunderstood, please correct me.

So, if we are going to turn in circles saying the same thing, then I am in favour of the truce. However, Walden's gracious offer of being declared as the winner is rejected because for one, I don't think I was able to make any headway in getting you guys to see my point at all. Plus, I was playing just to show another POV, and lastly, I am not the type of child who likes to be handed the candy. Would rather earn it 😊

Walden, on our colorful back and forth, I just have a couple of things to say:

About the Rishi-Zara, Rishi-Indu and Indu-Zara dynamics that have been compromised because of Zara's decision to send Lahorewali to the asylum, I am unable to see how it has such a deep-reaching impact that everyone is rendered speechless. However, I don't think we should dwell on it too much...there's no point. We just have to watch how it plays out.

I also have a question: Why does Rishi need Zara on board to tell Indu? He did not need Indu on board when he told Zara that he loves her (even if she is not Indira). While the two situations are radically different, I am against mixing his telling Indu with his sorting out his issues with Zara. In my opinion, any of these can happen first and are not dependent on the other. Telling Indu is Rishi's responsibility. He owes it to her. And as for whether Indu can have her Mummy despite Zara, by bringing Lahorewali back, Zara has made way for that. It is Zara's stay in SN that is uncertain, not Lahorewali's. But Indu wants Mummy and does not want Khadoos Aunty. Whose job is it to resolve that?

Yes, Zara and Rishi need to talk to sort out the issues between them. To that extent, I am with you. In yesterday's epi, Rishi tried and Zara resisted. If we want to get into hair-splitting and nuances, it can be said that he saw Kutumb talking to Zara while he was feeding Lahorewali. The moment he finished feeding her, he went upstairs to talk to her. But she was unwilling to listen. The next morning, he was headed somewhere (not in Zara's direction) when he saw her exiting her room with her packed bag. That's when he tried to speak with her again and asked her to stay back. In the meantime, the loose cannon Indu made an appearance with Lahorewali in tow, is rude to Zara who finally leaves for Mumbai. Rishi tries to go after her, but Lahorewali stops him. I suppose this will be defended with "what could he do?" My counter question is when he was wooing Zara, did he allow any hindrance to stop him? Then why now? Also, he never, ever prevents Indu from saying whatever she wants to Zara. None of them do, but the rest of the Sharma family is pretty inconsequential.

Anyway, in all this, my only question really is: is he as helpless as he is made out to be? I don't think so.

See, I am not out to establish Rishi as a villain or Zara as a victim. I will support Rishi till the very end because I started liking this show because of him. But if that means absolving him from everything and making excuses for him, then that's not my definition of support. Support is when I do not leave his side even if I disagree. This is exactly as I would do for my friends. Disagree but do not desert. By the same token, Zara, too should get some criticism and some support for her actions.

I firmly disagree that Rishi is an underdog. He is not. If anyone can drive this situation to its conclusion, it is Rishi. That makes him the opposite of an underdog. And I would really like to know what Zara has got going for her. I fail to see a single thing. I have already mentioned that I do not think of Zara as a bechari. There is plenty she can do to help herself instead of rotting in the interiors of SN.

And if she teams up with Kutumb and acts under her influence as the precap for today's episode seems to suggest, then my support for her will be withdrawn. She needs to go through this with her head held high rather than being reduced to using tricks and stratagems to win her battles.

At the end of the day, I have no sympathy for people who are happy to wallow in their suffering and not use the brain that God has gifted them. Everyone has a way out and they have to rely on themselves to find it. Unless they are happy to be tossed around by the situation. No one knows how future epis will shape up...obviously, the leads talking or acting is not palatable to the writers. But I know that I want my brain free of clutter and bias before they play out. In all this the only constant is the extremely tiring Indu. But she is part of the fabric and we cannot wish her away.

And then we have the maha bakwaas sangam (thank you Ranjiniji for the term 😊) to deal with. I dislike these merger episodes because I think they harm rather than help the flow of the story. Anyway, that my personal crib.

Anu..scorekeeper...where art thou? 😃 Or has Bijlee taken over?

Originally posted by: 100raj

look at cvs point of view..

they are grooming indu as future hitler.

as trps of HD are good--it is very likely that it will get extension.

if zara turns out indira and indira[zara] -indu-- rishi unites and becomes happy family then what left to show Hitlergiri??

so if HD gets one more extension then--be prepared to see indu is right and rishi is wrong.

then only hitlergiri in serial can continue.

This makes me almost not want it! Indu growing into a hitler...horrible thought!

Originally posted by: AllThingsNice

Okay, let me see. So if I pause, step back, and reassess, I find that we're turning in circles. I am saying, yes, Zara has made mistakes, but so has Rishi and if we can forgive Rishi, we should be able to forgive Zara. Walden and Heema are saying, yes, Rishi has made mistakes, but so has Zara and if we can allow Zara to make mistakes, we should be able to allow Rishi his mistakes. If I have misunderstood, please correct me.

So, if we are going to turn in circles saying the same thing, then I am in favour of the truce. However, Walden's gracious offer of being declared as the winner is rejected because for one, I don't think I was able to make any headway in getting you guys to see my point at all. Plus, I was playing just to show another POV, and lastly, I am not the type of child who likes to be handed the candy. Would rather earn it 😊

Walden, on our colorful back and forth, I just have a couple of things to say:

About the Rishi-Zara, Rishi-Indu and Indu-Zara dynamics that have been compromised because of Zara's decision to send Lahorewali to the asylum, I am unable to see how it has such a deep-reaching impact that everyone is rendered speechless. However, I don't think we should dwell on it too much...there's no point. We just have to watch how it plays out.

I also have a question: Why does Rishi need Zara on board to tell Indu? He did not need Indu on board when he told Zara that he loves her (even if she is not Indira). While the two situations are radically different, I am against mixing his telling Indu with his sorting out his issues with Zara. In my opinion, any of these can happen first and are not dependent on the other. Telling Indu is Rishi's responsibility. He owes it to her. And as for whether Indu can have her Mummy despite Zara, by bringing Lahorewali back, Zara has made way for that. It is Zara's stay in SN that is uncertain, not Lahorewali's. But Indu wants Mummy and does not want Khadoos Aunty. Whose job is it to resolve that? 👏👏👏

Yes, Zara and Rishi need to talk to sort out the issues between them. To that extent, I am with you. In yesterday's epi, Rishi tried and Zara resisted. If we want to get into hair-splitting and nuances, it can be said that he saw Kutumb talking to Zara while he was feeding Lahorewali. The moment he finished feeding her, he went upstairs to talk to her. But she was unwilling to listen. The next morning, he was headed somewhere (not in Zara's direction) when he saw her exiting her room with her packed bag. That's when he tried to speak with her again and asked her to stay back. In the meantime, the loose cannon Indu made an appearance with Lahorewali in tow, is rude to Zara who finally leaves for Mumbai. Rishi tries to go after her, but Lahorewali stops him. I suppose this will be defended with "what could he do?" My counter question is when he was wooing Zara, did he allow any hindrance to stop him? Then why now? Also, he never, ever prevents Indu from saying whatever she wants to Zara. None of them do, but the rest of the Sharma family is pretty inconsequential.

👏👏 👍🏼

Anyway, in all this, my only question really is:

See, I am not out to establish Rishi as a villain or Zara as a victim. I will support Rishi till the very end because I started liking this show because of him. But if that means absolving him from everything and making excuses for him, then that's not my definition of support. Support is when I do not leave his side even if I disagree. This is exactly as I would do for my friends. Disagree but do not desert. By the same token, Zara, too should get some criticism and some support for her actions.

I firmly disagree that Rishi is an underdog. He is not. If anyone can drive this situation to its conclusion, it is Rishi. That makes him the opposite of an underdog. And I would really like to know what Zara has got going for her. I fail to see a single thing. I have already mentioned that I do not think of Zara as a bechari. There is plenty she can do to help herself instead of rotting in the interiors of SN.

And if she teams up with Kutumb and acts under her influence as the precap for today's episode seems to suggest, then my support for her will be withdrawn. She needs to go through this with her head held high rather than being reduced to using tricks and stratagems to win her battles. 👏At the end of the day, I have no sympathy for people who are happy to wallow in their suffering and not use the brain that God has gifted them. Everyone has a way out and they have to rely on themselves to find it. Unless they are happy to be tossed around by the situation. No one knows how future epis will shape up...obviously, the leads talking or acting is not palatable to the writers. But I know that I want my brain free of clutter and bias before they play out. In all this the only constant is the extremely tiring Indu. But she is part of the fabric and we cannot wish her away.

And then we have the maha bakwaas sangam (thank you Ranjiniji for the term 😊) to deal with. I dislike these merger episodes because I think they harm rather than help the flow of the story. Anyway, that my personal crib.

Anu..scorekeeper...where art thou? 😃 Or has Bijlee taken over?

Originally posted by: luminos3

Kanan score!⭐️ I can only insert emoticons in the parts of ur post I found exceptional!👏 Lovely!😃

Hema...I think you are in the same space as me 😃 Rishi ka behaviour na ugalte banta hai na nigalte. Yet cannot give up on him..

Kanan I have always acknowledged d fact that Rishi is an imperfect character and that was his charm! He was always prone to lying and taking impulsive decisions right from d very beginning of HD! But dat Rishi had a mind of his own! Dis pale shadow of dat man is not d Rishi who made me watch a patchy HD d past year!😒 Sumit is a fine actor but d character he is enacting presently is really really pathetic!🤢 I really have no more words to voice my disappointment Kanan!