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Posted: 13 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: nureat01



Chal,jiska bhi title hai ,bahut achcha hai 👏...Jzee ko bataa dena ki Mogambo khush hua !!🤣

@bold , really well said ".He's not Vasant...he never wanted to be either.." Really yaar , Vasant mar kya gayaa, sab Kesar ke peeche hi pad gaye, usse Vasant banaane ke liye ..and he was such a different soul from Vasant ! In that context I can never forget what one of Gullu's friends told her about Kesar before leaving "tune hamesha ye dekha ki woh kya nahin hai , kabhi ye nahin dekha ki woh kya hai.."...and that is the tragedy of Kesar , right from his childhood he was misunderstood and chided for not being upto some mark or the other...no wonder he finally got fed up - remember how in the last scebe with mojdis he clearly said something like when my own problems know no end, hoiw can I solve the Gaon's problem and take the gaon's load... I think that was his proverbial last straw...he could take it no more , this "being turned into Vasant " thing !

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Posted: 13 years ago
#52
My adviser came up with ridiculous amounts of last minute grading he wants me to do. As a sub - because the real TA has 'an emergency' 😳

Much as I'd love to come and ramble here - please imagine me saying more, and more, and more about all the comments, as I only come back after every assessment to 'like' the posts.

Why can every exam not be a quiz? Or at least the ones I have to grade - grrr!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Oh and Nur - as you can see, my love for khach khuch is doing its job again 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: VJ-LNMDJ




Whatever her paradox , I think her greatest "drawback" was that she could never think of herself as another human being with needs , so engrossed had she become in giving and setting others' lives right ever since Vasant had discovered her "powers"... and in that context the unsung hero of the dialogues (which never came even as a single FB) was Kesar's words to her before he went to panchayat to break the DV - that there was one person she was being very unfair to : to herself , to the woman in her...

And thus another paradox in her life was
probably that her memories of Vasant kept asking her to be above human and her "present' with Kesar kept asking her to be human Exactly! And all of this was on a very subconscious level for the longest time until Kesar's confession shattered her carefully constructed shell...Gulaal stopped allowing herself to be a regular human being with fallacies, with wishes, with dreams...her only dream was the one Vasant left her with...and for that, she transformed herself completely...became so used to being that, living that that she completely forgot to remember that she too was human...while Kesar is the most human character you can come across as Neil mentioned in the final interview too...he doesn't pretend to be mahaan, the wisest, the greatest...and therein lies the charm of the character...


You know in a sense like Kesar used Gulaal's letters almost like a security blanket sometimes cuz he sought solace in them...Gulaal did the same with Vasant's memories, his mojdis, his portrait...it's seriously EERIE how similar these two are...eerie...Vasant made Gulaal rise above what she was...to shoulder responsibility and she imbibed that permanently...but she took it to an extreme over the years because it ultimately became a defense mechanism for her...and only Kesar was capable of making her realize that she is but human in the end...and it's not WRONG to be human...I'm discounting Vasant's mahaan lecture in the end cuz I count that as an aberration in the show anyways along with the second to last epi😆
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VJ



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Posted: 13 years ago
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Oh I cannot resist adding this quickie - I think Gulaal was technically the only person who did not want to convert Kesar into another Vasant. Even if she said all those things about the mojdis and blah - the whole step into Vasant's shoes for her, was initially about seeing Kesar as a responsible person - in his own rights - and later of course, in the sense of the DV itself.

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Posted: 13 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: VJ-LNMDJ



@bold , really well said ".He's not Vasant...he never wanted to be either.." Really yaar , Vasant mar kya gayaa, sab Kesar ke peeche hi pad gaye, usse Vasant banaane ke liye ..and he was such a different soul from Vasant ! In that context I can never forget what one of Gullu's friends told her about Kesar before leaving "tune hamesha ye dekha ki woh kya nahin hai , kabhi ye nahin dekha ki woh kya hai.."...and that is the tragedy of Kesar , right from his childhood he was misunderstood and chided for not being upto some mark or the other...no wonder he finally got fed up - remember how in the last scebe with mojdis he clearly said something like when my own problems know no end, hoiw can I solve the Gaon's problem and take the gaon's load... I think that was his proverbial last straw...he could take it no more , this "being turned into Vasant " thing !



You know what I really love about Kesar as a character and why he honestly in a sense REALLY makes you want to watch the show too...is how HONEST he is about everything he feels...there is no dearth of larger than life heroes like Vasant in fiction to be honest...not taking anything away from Vasant...his goodness, his noble qualities all stand on their own...but only Kesar is one character who is as much noble and a hero as he is human with fallacies...it would never be considered "hero-like" in any story to step back from this kind of responsibility...and yet Kesar was HONEST...he is what he is! And I like him the way he is...Every family wants a perfect son...Vasant was that perfect son for this family and they yearned to find the same in their only other heir...but he was his own person! That is all he asked of to be understood...and it seems no one really ever understood that generally even till the end in a fashion I'd say...they still wanted their Vasant back in some fashion...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr

Oh I cannot resist adding this quickie - I think Gulaal was technically the only person who did not want to convert Kesar into another Vasant. Even if she said all those things about the mojdis and blah - the whole step into Vasant's shoes for her, was initially about seeing Kesar as a responsible person - in his own rights - and later of course, in the sense of the DV itself.




I think Gulaal always wanted Kesar to be the best he could be...I also don't think she wanted him to be Vasant like the rest of the family did...but she wanted him to achieve his potential...since that is what was Vasant's dream too and became her dream through Vasant but somewhere along the way, it subconsciously went beyond the dream too.

The mojdis were being used symbolically again and again cuz the family wanted the one remaining heir to be responsible enough to shoulder the family's legacy, responsibility...and I think Gulaal repeated that verbiage for the technicality of it but subconsciously there was far more to it.

And I think somewhere towards the end Gulaal realized that Kesar did become the best version of himself that he could be...which isn't Vasant...but mature and noble in it's own way...he very much showed it in the three month trial period especially after they left the house and went to live on their own.

You know I was watching the finale epi again last night and one flashback in particular made me think again...dunno if you must have already mentioned this back then too...but you know the FB she gets of Kesar drawing that circle, that 'rekha' around her and telling her not to leave it when he's sweeping the house, right...I guess they used that symbolically to show that Gulaal was trying so hard to cling to Vasant's memories in that bit but Kesar kept breaking in and 'caging' her so to speak in his love for her. Random thought I had...lol


Aww you're stuck with grading! That sucks!

LOL yeah I noticed that Mr. Khach Khuch and his Galool have made a re-entry into your sigbox😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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So I wrapped half the crap bunch for tonight - kese kese ajib bache exam dete hain yaar *head desk*


Nur - yes! That's what I mean, she always wanted him to be the best of the person he was. When he was a kid, and when he grew up. Everytime she is disappointed in him, it is solely on account of failing the hopes she has in his potential and goodness - not in failing to become his elder brother. And although Vasant hands over this dream to her - somewhere, right from the word go, Gulaal can see in Kesar, the good the others can't. She recognizes, and connects so instantly with the golden heart inside that brat of a kid - because technically, that's a trait they share! While in Vasant, she finds the 'ideal man' to fall in love with - in Kesar, she finds shades of herself - the extent of goodness, and the extent of punk. Kesar is not the 'selfless' good guy, but he's is, I repeat, a golden heart! He can hate and love with so much passion - he can bear a grudge for a decade, and he can let sour strains go in a second. The way he shuns her initially - let's not forget the stone throw welcome 😆 - and the way he opens his heart to her is so natural to him... he's a candid heart, and he doesn't gift wrap his emotions or intentions, good or bad! How can someone not be drawn to a character like that - especially Gulaal, who is so much like that herself! Or at least characteristically was, when she first met him, even if she tried to adjust and change herself with time and circumstance!

This entire 'love yourself' scenario is quite common to both Gulaal of that time, and chota Kesu 😆 And in a strange way, even their goodness for the others, the welfare of those they love so much, comes through this 'seeming selfish' strain! I remember the scene where a villager loses his cattle to the drought and Kesra comes back and tries to force his own cattle to eat the dry straw, because he fears they will lose their animal too - one can trace down that by-the-book selfish streak in him, thinking of his own animal when he sees another's loss - but it is the way he shows his love! Even for the animal!

And oh - I've deviated long from the original point in my Kesar alaap again ☺️ Yes, Gulaal recognizes the golden heart and its potential, because she can literally see the mirror there! So she for one never wants him to become 'Vasant' but only become the best he can be. And there are no scales fair enough to measure the best one human can be, compared to another!
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Posted: 13 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: JZephyr

So I wrapped half the crap bunch for tonight - kese kese ajib bache exam dete hain yaar *head desk*



Nur - yes! That's what I mean, she always wanted him to be the best of the person he was. When he was a kid, and when he grew up. Everytime she is disappointed in him, it is solely on account of failing the hopes she has in his potential and goodness - not in failing to become his elder brother. And although Vasant hands over this dream to her - somewhere, right from the word go, Gulaal can see in Kesar, the good the others can't. She recognizes, and connects so instantly with the golden heart inside that brat of a kid - because technically, that's a trait they share! While in Vasant, she finds the 'ideal man' to fall in love with - in Kesar, she finds shades of herself - the extent of goodness, and the extent of punk. Kesar is not the 'selfless' good guy, but he's is, I repeat, a golden heart! He can hate and love with so much passion - he can bear a grudge for a decade, and he can let sour strains go in a second. The way he shuns her initially - let's not forget the stone throw welcome 😆 - and the way he opens his heart to her is so natural to him... he's a candid heart, and he doesn't gift wrap his emotions or intentions, good or bad! How can someone not be drawn to a character like that - especially Gulaal, who is so much like that herself! Or at least characteristically was, when she first met him, even if she tried to adjust and change herself with time and circumstance!



@bold: Bingo, Jzee...beautifully explained👏👏...and I especially love the bit in red...candid heart...and he doesn't gift wrap his emotions or intentions...doesn't KNOW how...really love that about him😆...he's a pure heart...absolutely without artifice. And that Gulaal more than anyone saw the golden heart inside the brat speaks for a lot...it's those paradoxes again haina...that he can bear a grudge for a decade yet never hold on to other sour moments...they dissolve in an instant...truly wonderfully sketched character.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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^^ I think your current avi is such a classic testimony of their common golden-brat-hearts which connect so instantly, which make them the soul mates that GV could not be! 😍

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