Secret letters, hidden pain and a coin toss - Page 2

Originally posted by: nureat01

Another very interesting hypothesis, Maz...I think it's all about timing...Gulaal couldn't have told him back THEN...he was but a child, right...why would she really confide in him at that point no matter how deep their bond? She wouldn't think him capable of being able to handle this information, haina? And I think by this point when he had grown up, it had probably been so long that she had hid this truth, that she got comfortable with the idea and probably didn't want to upset any balances...it helped ofcourse that Dushyant had now become a saint too...so she never even considered the fairness or not of telling Kesar at this point probably cuz she didn't think he would ever find out anyways so why burden him with this...Gulaal loves being the lone warrior shouldering all the burdens by herself...it wasn't in her nature to burden someone else with the pain...least of all Kesar I guess...so her reasoning was her own but obviously Kesar having already found out in a different way was torn apart inside over it.

Ohh yea your right...she grew comfortable cos right from the beginnning there was no one who questioned the inconsistencies regarding the accident...the family just accepted the fact and let it be..and yea like you say the balance was being maintained all the years..it sort of became like one of those things..where you aren't saying the truth but you aren't even lying about it..


Here it is for those who may not remember...lol

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haha love the ad! *sings along* 😆

Originally posted by: nureat01

I LOVE LOVE LOVE this cap - it has long been my favorite still from this scene, and I love how they contrast the image of this grown up, tormented Kesar, as opposed to the heady, smiling young child in the frame behind - seconds after Kesar says how he knows more than anyone, that a moment is all it takes to change a person sometimes!


And this is the first time post-leap that the letters are OPENED as well...milestones in a sense...so brilliantly were these letters woven in to the plotline

I know a whole chunk of viewers feel betrayed by the idea that the letters, when they were read by Gulaal - did nothing to change her heart at that point - but I personally feel/have felt all along, that if she had caved in even for a second back then, it would have been as out of character for her, as Kesar's completing the last phera with Talli. I'm glad it turned out to be the way it did. Yes, I shall always be secretly wistful, that the CVs had had another chance of bringing the letters to her again, when her realizations were gaining more blood. It would have been an interesting sequence to watch her reactions then - when she couldn't brush them away as the 'lagaav' of a child.


this shot below just reminds me of Kesar outside Revji's place, just before he walks away, after leaving Gulaal post the DV breaking... not a parallel in content - but just the look of this expression - the literal emotion of futility!



And on the other side we have Gulaal's pain

I loved this shot...Gulaal sitting in darkness, holding on to those mojdis and talking to Vasant's portrait...they shot it so beautifully with her reflection in the portrait...

OMG yes! This was awesome, they started with zooming on just the picture, and then slowly the camera lowered and angled in a way to bring Gulaal's reflection in! DOP - takes the nth bow!


She is never even fully honest with herself... <-- Crux of all issues Nur. She doesn't mean to not be honest - heck she's too righteous a soul for that, but being honest to oneself can involve being candid about ones heart, and its desires. Gulaal has long deemed anything along those lines as something she cannot 'rightfully' expect from life anymore. Hence her walls and restrains and self impositions.

Kesar on the other hand - is a contrast. He is so brutally honest to himself - sometimes it just hurts that he's compulsively so! In this sense, they compliment each other ideally!



I liked how this shot was framed too...again Vasant being used so interestingly in the bg almost as if he is speaking through Daibaa to Gulaal too.

^^ Wow! I didn't think of it like that. 😲 But it makes sense. Remember how we talked about Kesar's Heathcliff trait in digging up the grave of a dead lover? In a way, Gullu has not let Vasant rest in his grave either - she doesn't really dig him up, but she literally makes him live her life with her, sharing every second of it with him, like he's expected to exist by her side, even if only intangibly so!


But Gulaal is still not able to comprehend <-- Or not honest to herself, as always!


@ picture below - the accusing look in Gulaal's eyes. This is not the 'sulky' accusation she pulls off with Kesar, even at her gravest moment. The sulk is reserved for Kesar alone 😆 this is pure, and simple accusation - the kind we have a right of holding against someone who is so dear and loved. It plays into an advance mode later, when the village talks of G-D and then Gulaal verbalizes to MB, how Vasant has left her alone in this mess, how he had no business doing so! And still she takes a lifetime to realize that the 'being alone' is now her choice - especially at every instance that she pushes Kesar away!


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The thought that stays with me as I watch this scene is how beautifully both G and K's respective pain was shown...you don't know whom to feel worse for...they are both in so much pain, for different reasons and yet connected in a sense...

I personally love how prominent the mojdi link is, to both their scenes of introspection - and given that it is a Vasant factor binding them both, it makes so much sense as the first glimpse of their true hearts post leap! Very thoughtfully done!

Originally posted by: nureat01

Caps updated in the first post:

NUR - you takes on the caps crack me up even more than the scenes sometimes 🤣 I think you should totally do your favorite scenes to at least like this - in graphic description 😆

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Batch 2:

The Milk coin toss...yay!😆

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This is his expression before Gulaal shows up

Okay, this makes me think of Srushee's favorite tag for Gullu and Kesu at their elemental best - the curious cat look 😆

Galool is unaffected...pulls a minnie as Jzee calls it while proudly showing off Talli ki Talli dancing...lol

Haaye Minnie classic - *does nazar utaarna act* but haila!!! ye kya!!! fir shuru hogi apna Talli band bajana 🥱 I swear if Gulaal wrote an autobiography, it would contain more chapters on Talli than Vassy and Kesu put together 😳

Main CHAI piyunga! loll he's such a brat in this bit...lol

OMG OMG - okay, this reminds me of chota Kesar at his brat best, when he threw a tantrum to go to rashipur with Gulel during her pag-phera! I almost expected him to pull off a monkey stunt again, clamber atop some ghar ki chatt, and then threaten to jump off, if he doesn't get chai 🤣 Tantrum mein bhi paradox hai - on the one hand he's the same stubborn kid refusing to have anything but his way - and what's the argument he uses to pull off the brat kid act? ab main bada ho gaya hu 🤣 Nautanki!

Wary, but he hands it over...lol

ROFL at his expression below - he's donned the classic khabardaar look if anything happens to his precious sikka 😆

I loveee Manasi's expressions in this bit😆

ZOMG! Can't you almost hear her talking to the sikka and warning it to 'better' abide by her Galool orders, or else... 😎 Arre bi, jab sikka ka boss Gullu ka itna bhaqt hai, to sikka ki obedience to banti hai! 😆


Kesar is not amused at how she is using his tricks against him only😆..."Meri billi mujhi ko meow?"😆 <--- 🤣 🤣

Originally posted by: nureat01

This bit cracks me up so much...look at the anticipation on his face trying to know what side the coin landed on...haha

^^ Dude he should have not even wondered. His sikka always falls seedha, when it falls, warna kai baar to khada hi reh jaata hai - aadha aadha 😆



And this is my absolute fav. bit of Manasi's expressions...she's sooo gorgeous in this bit...LOVE the mischief in her eyes, the smug smile, the bemused looks she throws at Kesar even as she taunts him with a "tch tch"😆

COPYCAT! Totally used his ace on him from the bike scene - except, she made the fair call 😆



Kesar's like, 'oh damn'...lol

Kesar inside his head - abe saale sikke! namak mera khata hai, aur side uski leta hai... !!! 😡


Gulaal's smug mischievous smile continues...loll...how adorable is she in this bit?

She's genuinely happy here - and hence its rub off effect on Kesar when he 'thinks' she has gone. For those few moments, Gulaal discovers the Kesar she can still talk into things he was reluctant about agreeing to. A quick fix, even if fleeting, to the day of return's mega disasters!

I love this one below ☺️



And ofcourse she peeks back cuz she KNOWS he'll drink it...lol

Oh this is such a classic precedent to all the times Kesar peaks back on her in the future - especially the time during Kulli engagement prep when he challenges her to make her smile, and walks out, only to walk back towards the door and see her smiling to herself...


and this one... ❤️ 😍

Originally posted by: JZephyr

Nur - that title is not lame, I assure you. In fact, compare it with what I titled my 'vid clip' and we know what is lame 😆 I thought and I thought, and and I could only thunk of this 😆 LOL thanks yaar...but I hate thinking up of titles...another reason why I don't feel like taking the initiative to make posts usually...notice how the most "creative" I ever got was "Things I liked" as a title🤣

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** Kesar's Character Paradox **

The individual introspection segments for both leads at this point, are in paradox as ever. Kesar's starts with a line on such cue - mujhse badkar ye baat kaun jaan sakta hai, ke kabhi kisi ko badalne mein ek hi pal kaafi hai - interestingly, the 'badalaav' in Kesar is self contradictory, just like his entire person. The change is the lack of trust in Gulaal. And the constant which hasn't changed, is not trusting this lack of trust in his Gulaal.Beautifully said, Jzee👏

His eternal question? Aakhir kyu kiya usne aisa! It's interesting, how even his seeking the mystery of this question is a paradox - not having this answer torments him, and then the fear of what the answer might be agonizes him just as much too!

A hapless soul with such deep rooted long unresolved dilemma, he turns to his only solace - however momentary - seeks out her letters - as if, this 246375678686132948748 time of reading it will reveal to him a truth, that will settle his dilemma once and for all. Alas - what hasn't happened in a decade will not happen now, not by re-reading a letter he probably knows by heart anyway! I love how he thought about the letters and turned his head sharply to walk to the closet to pull them out...like you said, in a sense they are his only solace and he turns to them over and over again no matter how many millions of times he's read them already...as if reading them again somewhere somehow will answer the questions burning inside him...and yet all he feels is more conflicted, more in turmoil than ever.

and that takes me to ...

** Gulaal's Character Paradox **

Technically, taking Vasant's place, and stepping into his shoes, involves, first and foremost, becoming her man, bearing her responsibility. That is how the DV was conducted, and that is how the custom goes. When MB offers Kesar the mojdi in the final phase - it is not to take over the responsibilities alone, but with the first and foremost condition/requirement to bring Gulaal back. In her letters, in her head, Gulaal lives a decade waiting for Kesar to return - to step into these mojdis - why? Just to take the reigns of the house in his hand?


Kesar's greates role in stepping into those shoes, one that cannot be completed from a distance, is stepping into her life. On the one hand this house and its 'responsibilities', its happiness, and its problems are all that Gulaal calls her life and world; on the other hand, she claims she waited for kesar to come back, so he could take over and relieve her from the 'jimedaari'?! She doesn't realize - of course - but what she's really talking about is waiting for Kesar to come and stand by her side, be an equal in living up this role of 'two people' which she has been bearing for a decade now! And how that is what she doesn't think he is capable of yet - which she's right, he isn't ready for yet! Brilliantly summed up, Jzee👏👏...I love how you've brought out the paradox in her thoughts...which she herself isn't aware of...she keeps on repeating that this is only about a responsibility that Vasant left her...she sits and clings to those mojdis...but that symbolism is FAR greater than she comprehends...despite what so many ppl have told her time and again...she clings to one line of thought regarding this being Vasant's dream but she doesn't comprehend the FULL ramifications, the FULL meaning of what it REALLY means to step into those mojdis...and the writers have written this BRILLIANTLY...

The little Daiba dialog that I retained in the scene was significant to me for the same reason - how wise is the old lady, telling Gulaal that the void needs to be filled, the needs taken care of - not just for Gulaal's sake, but for the family's sake too! Daiba says - jitni jaldi tu ye samjh jaaye, utna acha hai - and I'm think, oh wait for another couple lifetimes DB, this woman is slower than one tends to realize 😆 LOL I thought the same...ki itni jaldi kahaan samajh aayega Galool madam ko...she is too headstrong for some things to firstly penetrate her mind and on top of that for her to ADMIT the truth of those things...it's doubly difficult😆

She's one tired lonely woman here, and Kesar, one lonely torn soul. Two paradox characters, because they've made it so mandatory for themselves to keep that mutual distance between, and are then agonized by the other maintaining the rift! Kya ho sakta hai inn dono ka bhi ... *shakes head* *sigh indeed* But I love this journey...they are tired, lonely souls at this point but since we now know what a journey it was from this point, all this stuff is even more awe-inspiring as a story in hindsight.

Originally posted by: Maz.

@Kesar's monologue: He's been feeling betrayed by both Dushyant and Gulaal, and although we know he was never as close to dushyant as he was with Vasant...he still liked him second best, Raman was never in the picture. Dushyant did try to keep Kesar's spirits up after Vasant's death..like if I remember right...the whole neembu-spoon race thing and all..albeit yea Dushyant had ulterior motives...and of course ignoring the time when he literally scared the kid in darkness..Kesar was innocent and still believed Dushy to be fill the place of Vasant for him..so the revelation that he could be the one to snatch away Vasant was hard to believe...and even if it was so..Gulaal keeping it a secret..just forces Kesar to assume that there was something else going on between Dushyant and Gulaal..those words by Durgesh keeps resounding in his mind day in and day out for 10yrs..questioning her integrity is something that he finds trouble doing.. but there is really no other option for him to choose...

Maz - you point out an excellent thing about Raman never being in Kesar's priority picture - it suddenly makes me less miffed about the fact that Kesar never learned what a rogue his Raman Bha was in his entirety! Yes, he didn't matter enough. That sounds better than the unfair redemption he got!

Anyway - yet another paradox in the character sketches. While Kesar's hatred towards Dushyant is upped by Kesar's doubt of him and Gulaal having a thing... what saves Dushyant for a decade, in addition to Gulaal's silence, is also the fact that it is Gulaal's decision to save Dushyant. Anyone else, any other situation, and the AIR that chota Kesar was used to being, he'd have gone beating drums in the entire village to announce Dushyant's crime! If he maintained the silence, it was because Gulaal was the middle man here - who had taken the decision to save Dushyant ... the very decision, which made him hate Dushyant for more than just murdering Vasant, but also the reason that saved him punishment as long as it did!

@breakfast...Gulaal has learned from yesterday's mistake..gives out the menu with mention of the chefs..hehe...
Nice PaanBaa-Kesar moment...and yet again there is a pooja where they have to perform together...Gulaal not very excited...wondering what else is going to happen...

And finally the moment Kesar wanders in to the path where Gulaal this beautiful woman stands...taken aback bowled over by the sheer simplicity and beauty she possesses..can't take the eyes off of her..

Score Galool 50 Kesar 0 😆 !

^^ Lol! The score card reminds me of the RoSha scene ☺️ Anyway, we'll leave discussing this bit for tomorrow - hopefully Reemz will fill in for that!

Originally posted by: JZephyr

Nur - the Caps are so beautiful - as everyone keeps telling you, its like watching the scene again, and recalling the dialogs for each still, cause I tend to know so many by heart now 😆 Aww thanks so much, Jzee...lol at this point, even I know half the dialogues by heart I think...hopeless cases we are😆

Originally posted by: JZephyr